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post Sep 28 2006, 09:29 PM
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Arabians today are one of the few breeds where the United States Equestrian Federation allows children to exhibit stallions in show ring classes limited to riders under 18.
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post Sep 28 2006, 09:37 PM
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True, they are much more sensitive than other breeds, so unfortunally it doesnt take much to spoil those lovely creatures sad.gif and that goes for both showing and ridding. I have seen arabs that have been spoiled by riders that was used to ride those big warmblood horses, and then decided to get an arab, they thought they could ride them as their warmbloods, after a while they got a horse that they couldnt ride anymore, some of the horses changed from the easiest sweetest horse to the devil...

Your pictures show absolute trust from both sides smile.gif
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post Sep 28 2006, 10:39 PM
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QUOTE (Guest @ Sep 28 2006, 09:42 PM)
It still doesnt make it right, and it is STILL dangerous! but I kind of hope someone will get badly hurt someday, it seems like it's the only way they get the message.
Horses are not toys! and they should not be threated as such, just because the so-called pro is handling them... I have more than once seen Frank pretty close to get hit in the head by one of the horses he was showing, it was pure luck that nothing happened!
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You hope someone gets badly hurt?! You have got to be kidding me. It's no wonder you don't sign your name. That is one of the sickest statements I have evr read. I can't believe anyone would actually make a statement like that.
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post Sep 28 2006, 11:01 PM
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Eh folks, you dont have to convince me, remember I am a strong advocate for the arabian horse. Just convince those watching some of those shows referred to, if you are still able to lure them to your farm and horses.

As far as that guest is concerned, saying sombody getting hurt, I think what he/she meant: "Until someone gets hurt" no action will be taken.
As usual, we put a lid on the well, after the child drowned, right?

When a young one sees us elders do something, they think that's the way to go.
We need to think of what we are teaching, and they watching it brighteyed and bushytailed.

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post Sep 28 2006, 11:12 PM
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Eh folks, you dont have to convince me, remember I am a strong advocate for the arabian horse. Just convince those watching some of those shows referred to, if you are still able to lure them to your farm and horses.

As far as that guest is concerned, saying sombody getting hurt, I think what he/she meant: "Until someone gets hurt" no action will be taken.
As usual, we put a lid on the well, after the child drowned, right?

When a young one sees us elders do something, they think that's the way to go.
We need to think of what we are teaching, and they watching it brighteyed and bushytailed.

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Dear Hansi

I mean no disprespect, but why on earth would you recommend your friends in Europe to go to Aachen, particularly if they are Quarter Horse People. Would not it have been better to have sent them to a Sport Horse day, you know what happens at Aachen so WHY??? huh.gif blink.gif

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post Sep 28 2006, 11:27 PM
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Is there a "Newcomer" Welcome Committee at the Aachen show? I think that newbies should not be sent on their own - perhaps having a more experienced escort or chapparone who would take them to different barns following the classes so they could see the horses not in their "show" mode might be beneficial.

An actor on the stage acts differently than at home with friends. A fighter in the ring appears violet until you see him at home with his son or daughter... There is a place and a time for making a public display, and there is a time and a place to hang out with friends... This is not different with horses and so people just should understand that Arabians being so smart - understand that a show must be showy and exciting. When at home as you can see - people practically sit under them - very different time and place there...

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post Sep 28 2006, 11:29 PM
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Heck, it has driven a lot of us oldtimers away. dry.gif mad.gif

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post Sep 28 2006, 11:45 PM
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I'm certain that there are people who are considering arabians that also read this board for information.

So I definately think showing the arabian well *here* isn't a wasted effort.

Also we must remember that not only children are learning from this and are perhaps of various levels of experience with different breeds of horses.

I would also like to think that most arabian owners are sensible independant people not prone to snap judgements. I don't feel compelled to attempt to convince any other sort of person to look futher into the breed.

If anything, I would say they shouldn't like the way arabians are currently shown, but that never had anything to do with the breed itself. It's been around long before these modern types of showing and halter is such a very small part of its capabilities.

I too would recommend a different show for first timers or at least some sort of a warning of what goes on before sending someone off to go see a haltershow.
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post Sep 28 2006, 11:54 PM
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Having got into the Arabian show sceen for the first time last year, having worked with many different types of horses before. I was shocked and dismayed to witness several things that would never happen with other breeds or shows:

1. The halters used are not of a safety standard that would be allowed anywhere else in the horse world.
2. The chains under the horses chins allows for the less experienced handlers to potentially cause great damage to the horse, if not break their jaw causing a need for the animal to be destroyed. Also, in youngsters the chains have been known to split the roots of teething bumps, thus requiring surgery to remove them.
3. The noise from the crowd at the shows, for the youngsters being shown especially, causes the horses to be frightened and, in most cases, will end up with the horse being nervous and difficult to handle. Which, where the arabian horse is so intelligent and emotional a creature is just cruel.

In conclussion: You will end up with horses that have a bad reputation in the world for being crazy and also of no use to anyone with these behavioural problems. No wonder the rest of the horse world wont touch arabian horses thinking they are too difficult to handle. mad.gif
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post Sep 29 2006, 12:02 AM
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Oh PLEASE say no more. Anyone who wants to change the Arabian horse into some peanut pushing, nose to the ground, training gimmic, who can't go faster than a snail's pace in the showring.... has no business in the Arabian horse business anyway...

Dear Guest, I suppose you are a QH breeder of sorts..first they are called Arabian Horses. smile.gif Let's look at your horses too while we're at it.

Did anyone ever see a Quarter Horse Halter show... let me say it's about as exhilarating as watching paint dry and you can hear a pin drop...gosh forbid anyone should sneeze they'd get thown out of the arena because they 'startled' the poor horse and made his tail swish. All the horses are half doped up, to hide their lameness, completely destroyed because they have hooves smaller than a teacup, with about 1200 pounds of steriod induced flesh resting upon them. Quarter Horse halter horses are RARELY considered riding horses, they simply cannot stay sound and half of them go sterile at an early age from all the steriods they put them on....please.....by the age of 7 those horses are so washed up, many of them are falling over from a heart attack by that age...don't get me started as to suggest we should follow this path or they set some great example in halter...NAH I'd rather see the baby oil on the muzzle that can be washed off than to think of the drugs these horses are on and how cruel that is to do to any animal. It was the QH people that brought drug testing into the AHSA.

SImply if someone cannot appreciate the Arabian horse in all it's glory for what it is, then what's the point? It makes about as much sense as me trying to show a QH at the Egyptian Event.

Dear Hansi,
I don't attempt to lure anyone into Arabian horses, in fact, I don't really think that we need to convince anyone on them either. Let the Arabian be who he is, and he will attract his own admirers. Those who don't understand him or appreciate him and try to make him into a QH or a Warmblood, are the same people who will do him more disservice in the long run.
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post Sep 29 2006, 12:07 AM
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While I have had the privilege of having 3 different Egyptian Arabian stallions over the years, I would not sit under them or let them graze next to me on a short lead if I were seated.. Once again, others new to this might emulate the photos shown. You might "trust" your horse, but they could still move to chase a fly or suddenly be startled. I do love the photos of your lovely horses under saddle.


When I talk to the Breeders Alliance group regarding the April 2007 show here in Las Vegas, be assured I will speak up about this very point. Yes, they want to market to people here in Las Vegas, but to me it needs to be carefully and safely done with respect to the horse, and presented to all economic groups, not just to the rich tourist or the wealthy hotel owner/gambler. As we have said in other threads, our greatest markets are children, converts from other breeds, or people who always wanted a horse in their youth but never got one. We need to continue the love of horses from books or movies or current events: the wild horses of the West, Misty of Chincoteague, The Black Stallion, Black Beauty, Hidalgo, Seabiscuit, Ruffian, Barbaro, the Lone Ranger and Tonto, Roy Rogers and Trigger, King of the Wind, Spirit, etc.........!!! I watched some of the jumping (cross-country and stadium) and dressage from the Aachen show (3-day eventing) last week and it brought tears (of happiness) to my eyes. There are so many others out there just like us, newcomers or oldtimers..., who are just waiting to see, pet, maybe ride/own/lease our wonderful Egyptian Arabians. Another thread discusses the worth/marketability of our geldings. I believe that if more of us did the grassroots promotion to counteract what we don't like (the hype, the pressure to win, the abuse of the horse), then there will be a change. If people keep hearing positive about our Egyptians, then the negative should reduce. We will always have those owners/trainers/breeders who will do anything at any price to the horse or the breed. Are we part of the solution or part of the problem? I choose to speak up and respect my horses and their heritage. biggrin.gif

In 3 weeks I will again (my 8th annual) take my horses to the Las Vegas Farm Festival for estimated 9,000 children/teachers/parents, and my own kindergarten class is excited to see and pet teacher's horses!! They might never get to own one, but they will have a positive experience with mine. We showed as well in the 80s, 90s, and 00s, but there were certain things we would not do to or with them, even for a win. Honesty and safety are the best advertisers for our horses. (Pyramid Society member since 1981)
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post Sep 29 2006, 12:39 AM
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All this is an interesting perspecitve on the differeces between breeds.
All of the following is either my own opinion or from my personal experiences.
I have been to and conditioned a paint horse for the world paint horse show in Ft. Worth Texas. I do not like the way the stallions are shown. Putting a lip chain on all the stallions and fastening it with wire to the halter so that the horse is SAFE to be shown is, in my opinion, an admission that none of those horses can be trusted to be in the same arena with each other. That same paint horse stallion broke the jaw of his owner a few months later when she was riding him in the pasture and he SPOOKED and she was thrown off of him. Now, what is my opinion of paint horses? I think that the OWNERS and the way the horses are shown and treated , they are the real problem, in my opinion. WIth Quarter Horses I feel the same. Just like they have prejudices against arabians maybe!
Hansi, why didnt you tell those people that went to Aachen that our arabian stallions are for the most part, controllable enough to be nose to nose and everyone including the owners stay safe.
I cannot stand the mentality of all the Quarter Horse stallion owners I've personally met. Their Stallions are callled STUDS and are kept in stalls because they are considered too dangerous to be out in a pasture or corral to see all that is going on around them. Eventually, these horses do become dangerous to have around because they are not treated like a Stallion should be. They are STUDS. NOT TO BE TRUSTED. GIve me a break! Who knows what the real temperment of these stallions really are because they are not given even the chance to prove themselves as descently mannered horses in the REAL WORLD.
Im not joking when I say this....I tell people who are interested in owning an arabian that the biggest difference and most important, in my opinion is safety. Presented with a situation where the horse gets scared and wants to flee and you are riding the horse, I've found, from my own experiences with them that the Quarter Horse or Paint Horse will turn and run off and doesnt care one ioda about you or what is happening to you. An Arabians will not do that. They will take you into consideration and not let you be harmed. Now this is from my personal experiences. When people bash arabians, I wonder how much of that is from their own experiences or from what they have heard from others.
I've been in these exact situations and can speak from experience. I've never had an Arabian roll over on me because the horse got scared and decided to act like an idiot! Or just plain ol' run off with me. Attached is a picture of a dangerous arabian with my 4 year old I took just this morning. She is trying to decide when it would be best to eat him for lunch. He was extremely scared of her! tongue.gif
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post Sep 29 2006, 01:31 AM
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Dear Hansi,

With all due respect, I can't agree with what you are saying on this site, are we driving newcomers away, when in fact we are drawing new comers to the Arabian Horses and the Show World. wink.gif
This is a picture of our stallion Rasmoniet that we raised and trained, he knows 17 verbal comands and this one shows him rearing which was taught to him so to create excitment and attention when he was showed several times at the Egyptian Event. He will also stand quiet only moving his ears waiting for a signals, he will get all pumped up on a lead line before entering the show ring all of which is done on comand. He is trained to perform and this allows for an exciting performance by him.
The stallions are not going into the show ring untrained they are taught to work with the trainer, they are smart horses and love to create excitment, when the crowd screams or applauds this doesn't frigthen the Arabian Horse they simply realize that people are enjoying them show off and perform for them.
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This is another stallion that I showed at the Egyptian Event for his owner, he was worked with for some time to understand and what is expected of him when he is in the ring with other stallions. This is well rehersed at the farm before he goes to the show. Stallions going nose to nose does not create a danger, i use this method from a very young colt age to stop him from being submissve to the bigger or older stallion and it incourages the colt to try and pump up and get big and to stand his ground and call to the other stallion without any dangerous moves because once again it is not the first time that he has done this, some of these stallions are presented and trained since they were two and perhaps younger
in most cases.
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The excitment the cheering are all what a Arabian Horse Show is all about.
And please don't compare the Arabian horses shows to the Quarter horse shows, I went to a few of those Quarter Horse Shows and fell fast asleep in my lawn chair next to the rail, the thing that woke me up was a Quarter horse standing still infront of me blocking the heat of the sun. wink.gif
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post Sep 29 2006, 01:42 AM
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Dear Jenny

I have never been in Aachen to a show, so had no idea. I thought there my friends could see many different types of beautiful arabians horses. They have two sons, who have the Qhorses and the daughter wanted an Arabian horse.

So it is my ignorance to act as I did. However, I have advised them of what an Arabian is really like,. in the hands of "sane" horse folks. Please believe me, I never give up trying to convince people that it is wonderful to own an Arabian horse, possibly an SE.

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No my dear cooper, I can not tell people that the Arabian stallions are safe enough to go nose on nose. NO STallion IS!! in that moment the instinct comes through and it only takes a fraction of a second to have an accident.
What is one to proof anyway with this nonsense? This is how Botswana got hurt at the last EE.

We have/had many stallions and each one is child safe, meaning a child can go into their paddocks, stalls and play with them. those who have visited us willbe able to confirm the gentleness of these studs. However, when I take one of them out, bypassing another paddock, they do like to eat each other up, although controlled by me. I know horses TOOOOOOO well, that even I will never take a chance, because a horse is a horse is a horse.

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