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> Pedigree Controversy, Skowrone - S. Fulmine Straight Egiptian?
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post Feb 12 2007, 01:55 PM
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post Feb 12 2007, 02:42 PM
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You can tell your customers, that he is not straight Egyptian but Egyptian sired.
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post Feb 12 2007, 03:06 PM
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Tina,

That simply isn't the truth...the horse is more than 3/4's Egyptian with sires, dams, grandparents all the way back to include many of thre great straight Crabbets that are also i.d.ed as straight Egyptian...You would be misleading people into thinking that the dam wasn't Egyptian and she most definitely is Egypian related and 3/4 Egyptian at that.
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post Feb 12 2007, 03:24 PM
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I was looking at this pedigree and the horse seems to have more Egyptian that 3/4.. More like 95% Everything is Egyptian except DEL AYESHA who is about 23% Egyptian.
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post Feb 12 2007, 03:30 PM
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i'm italian and my english is bad english.

i use google translate.

what I write in the page of Tutto Arabi?

S. Fulmine ....................... (streight, related, crabbet, Egypian).

is for the custmers.

now my handler Luca Oberti says that customers wants S.E.

Thank you.

and sorry for my english.
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post Feb 12 2007, 03:30 PM
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Tina

you are correct, Gari you are not when it comes to a definition or label.
the horse is defined as an "Egyptian Related" one, although carries a high percentage of egyptian bloodlines. However, I agree with your bloodline analization of the ancestors..

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post Feb 12 2007, 03:35 PM
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Thank you Hansi. I think you are correct.
Egyptian sired (the new term) or Egyptian related ist the correct term for this horse. It doesn't matter if he is 3/4 Egyptian or 99,9% - more than "Egyptian related" by definition isn't possible.
100 % Egyptian = straight Egyptian
less than 100 % Egyptian = Egyptian related
Plain and simple.
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post Feb 12 2007, 03:39 PM
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http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/s+fulmine
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post Feb 12 2007, 03:49 PM
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he's egyptian related Not just sired what Gari means by her post is if Fabritzio just says sired then it's missleading coz all but del ayesha are straight egyptian in this horses pedigree .
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post Feb 12 2007, 03:56 PM
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and so my customers?


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post Feb 12 2007, 03:59 PM
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for Gari

for you e mail with pic of S.Fulmine. SENT.
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post Feb 12 2007, 04:07 PM
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post Feb 12 2007, 04:08 PM
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it' s a not professionale picture.

yesterday the service, next time i send you. Bye.
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post Feb 12 2007, 06:04 PM
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Dear Fabrizio

thank you for this lovely photo. Your horse looks quite athletic and type in it to me.
Dont under-rate him,.just because he is not SE. Some of the greatest Arabians in the world are not either. Have him start under saddle and may be you have the next endurance world champion, eh?

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post Feb 12 2007, 09:03 PM
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If I'm reading the All Breed pedigree correctly, he was foaled in 2000, so he would still fall under the Pyramid Society Egyptian Bred/Related category. However, this discussion is a great example of how the new category of Egyptian Sired can be deceiving in terms of the overall pedigree.

For people accustomed to dealing with the Pyramid Society, the term Egyptian Bred/Related means something very specific...and the new Egyptian Sired category adds another kink into trying to communicate how much Egyptian breeding a horse might have in their pedigree and where it came from.

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Registrations prior to 2005:
An Egyptian-Bred (also known as Egyptian Related) horse, as defined by The Pyramid Society, is: [a] one who was produced either by breeding a Straight Egyptian stallion to a purebred Arabian mare who is not Straight Egyptian OR [b] one whose grandsires are both Straight Egyptian, and whose dam is a purebred Arabian who is not Straight Egyptian.

Registrations of 2005 and Beyond:
An Egyptian Sired (previously known as Egyptian-Bred/Related) horse, as defined by The Pyramid Society, is a purebred Arabian who is produced by breeding a Straight Egyptian stallion to a purebred Arabian mare who is not Straight Egyptian, beginning with registrations of 2005. All existing horses presently meeting the definition of Egyptian Bred/Related will be grandfathered in through the remainder of their lifetime.
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