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post May 28 2007, 05:57 PM
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For those who like this sort of thing and women who answer the "Dating I.Q."
Quiz while waiting to have their hair done, here is a little Quiz for those who like historical perspectives.

1. In 1937 Vol. IV of the Arabian Stud Book of the Arabian Horse Club of America
was published. Later this volume and the previous ones were reissued with
changes. What were the changes and what were the alleged reasons for
the changes?

2. Sultan Abdul Hamid II made a gift to the President of the United States in 1879.
What was the gift, and who was the President?

3. In 1926 a group of horses were imported from the Crabbet Stud and went
to Pomona, California. Who was the imported, who was his agent and
name five of the horses in the importation.

4. In 1932, two of the first groups of Straight Egypitan Horses were imported
into the United States. Name the Importers , the Breeders of the Horses and
identify the horses.

5. Which of the above (number 4) horses have Straight Egyptian Descendants
in contemporary breeding?

6. In the 1950's, Alice Payne, suggested to a young man, that he should
consider a breeding program to preserve a group of horses who were
identified by the name of a political cartoonist.
a. Who was the political cartoonist and what political cartoon character is
he most famous for creating?
b. Who was the young man and what was the result of Ms. Paynes
advice?
c. What was the name of the stud farm of Alice Payne and name the
famous stallion upon which she founded her farm?

7. Raktha x Serafina produced two colts which were later imported into
the United States and became famous as sires of
outstanding US bred Arabian Horses. Name the breeder of these two
colts, their US importers and give the names of the colts.

8. Sol de Villa Ranch was the home of an imported polish mare, whose
grandson became one of the most famous Arabian Horses in the
United States. Name the owner of the ranch, the imported mare,
and her grandson.

9. In the United States, the Rogers Arabian stud started with five mares
selected in Saudia Arabian. Two came from the Royal Stud, two
came from the Bedouin and one from the ruling family of Bahrein.
What were the names of these mares, do they have living descendants,
and are any of them in present day Straight Egyptian pedigrees?

10. What was Sheykh Obeyd and who was Mutlak el Batal?

11. Austraiia has had a long and admired reputation for producing
outstanding horses of Crabbet lines. Name five of the early Crabbet
bred importations to Australia.

12. Name five contemporay Straight Egyptian horses which do not
have Crabbet bred horses in their Ancestory.

13. Identify the breeder of the "Heavenly Twins", give the name of these
horses, and their sire and dam.

14. Name five contemporary Polish bred horses which do not have
Crabbet bred horses in their Ancestory.

15. Who is Rudolf Valentino, what is he famous for? Name the
horse and the breeding of the horse he rode.

You can cheat all you want.

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post May 28 2007, 06:05 PM
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These are questions for my walking encyclopedia... Where is he at? I have not seen a post from my favorite horse trivia friend in months!

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QUOTE (LMGG @ May 28 2007, 06:57 PM)
For those who like this sort of thing and women who answer the "Dating I.Q."
Quiz while waiting to have their hair done, here is a little Quiz for those who like historical perspectives.

1.  In 1937 Vol. IV of the Arabian Stud Book of the Arabian Horse Club of America
    was published.  Later this volume and the previous ones were reissued with
    changes.  What were the changes and what were the alleged reasons for
    the changes?

2.  Sultan Abdul Hamid II made a gift to the President of the United States in 1879.
    What was the gift, and who was the President?
   
3.  In 1926 a group of horses were imported from the Crabbet Stud and went
    to Pomona, California.  Who was the imported, who was his agent and
    name five of the horses in the importation.

4.  In 1932, two of the first groups of Straight Egypitan Horses were imported
    into the United States.  Name the Importers , the Breeders of the Horses and
    identify the horses.

5.  Which of the above (number 4) horses have Straight Egyptian Descendants
    in contemporary breeding?

6.  In the 1950's, Alice Payne, suggested to a young man, that he should
    consider a breeding program to preserve a group of horses who were
    identified by the name of a political cartoonist.
    a.  Who was the political cartoonist and what political cartoon character is
          he most famous for creating?
      b.  Who was the young man and what was the result of Ms. Paynes
          advice?
      c.  What was the name of the stud farm of Alice Payne and name the
          famous stallion upon which she founded her farm?

7.  Raktha x Serafina produced two colts which were later imported into
    the United States and became famous as sires of
    outstanding US bred Arabian Horses.    Name the breeder of these two
    colts, their US importers and give the names of the colts.

8.  Sol de Villa Ranch was the home of an imported polish mare, whose
    grandson became one of the most famous Arabian Horses in the
    United States.  Name the owner of the ranch, the imported mare,
    and her grandson.

9.  In the United States, the Rogers Arabian stud started with five mares
    selected in Saudia Arabian.  Two came from the  Royal Stud, two
    came from the Bedouin and one from the ruling family of Bahrein.
    What were the names of these mares, do they have living descendants,
    and are any of them in present day Straight Egyptian pedigrees?

10.  What was Sheykh Obeyd and who was Mutlak el Batal?

11.  Austraiia has had a long and admired reputation for producing
        outstanding horses of Crabbet lines.  Name five of the early Crabbet
        bred importations to Australia.

12.  Name five contemporay Straight Egyptian horses which do not
      have Crabbet bred horses in their Ancestory.

13. Identify the breeder of the "Heavenly Twins", give the name of these
      horses, and their sire and dam.

14. Name five contemporary Polish bred horses which do not have
      Crabbet bred horses in their Ancestory.

15.  Who is Rudolf Valentino, what is he famous for? Name the
      horse and the breeding of the horse he rode. 

You can cheat all you want.

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post May 28 2007, 08:54 PM
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I'll take #2--The President was Grant and the gift was two stallions--Linden Tree and Leopard

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Ok, so here's what I can remember, without doing a ton of research.
1........
2 Leopard and Linden Tree. President(General) Grant
3 Kellogg. 13 horses in the importation. Raswan as agent.. Horses were Raswan (of course) Raseyn- Rifla-Rossana- and I think Nasik was in that bunch too.

4 BROWN
HH Mohamed Ali's Hamama
" " "Hamida
Mahroussa
Metsur ?
Zariffe
Roda
Aziza
Nasr
Silver Yew? (not too sure about that one)
BABSON
Fadl
Maaroufa
Bint Serra
Bint Bint Sabbah
Bint Bint Durra
Bint Saada

5-Mahroussa-Fadl-Maroufa-Bint Bint Sabbah

6 a-Davenport
b Charles Craver (started with Tripoli) Craver Farms and the Davenport preservation program
c-Raffles- Asil Arabian Ranch

7 Both bred by Wentworth- Serafix, imp by Rogers and Silver Drift, imp by Kale

8...........
9 can only remember two. Thoraya came from Bahrain and Subhaiha from Ibn Saud
10 Lady Anne's stud at Ein Shems, just outside of Cairo. Mutlak was her Sais
11..........
12.........
13- Breeder, Lady Wentworth. Dancing Sunlight and Dancing Shadow. By Dargee, out of Shades of Night
14....................
15 Actor. The horse was Jadaan ( Abbeian X Amran)

So what's my score?
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post May 28 2007, 10:55 PM
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Yikes! I don't know much! And I admit I had to fill in some bits with "help"! tongue.gif

2) *LEOPARD and *LINDEN TREE were presented by the Sultan of Turkey to former President Grant. (Was it 1879 or 1878?)

3) In 1925 breakfast food millionaire W. K. Kellogg purchased 377 acres for $250,000 in Pomona as the site of his Arabian Horse Ranch. W.K. Kellogg's importation from the Wentworth Crabbet Stud in 1926 included: the SKOWRONEK influence to North America, a fact which sometimes overshadows the other important Crabbet sources represented. *NASIK and *FERDIN were the other breeding stallions of this importation; the latter became a broodmare sire of note. The aged *NASIK, with few crops left to him, gave quality daughters, the top broodmare sires FARANA and SIKIN, and founded a distinguished male line especially through RIFNAS. *RASEYN by SKOWRONEK left 135 registered foals and became one of the most influential sires in the history of the breed, with FERSEYN and SUREYN his most noted sons. *FERDA, *RIFLA, *ROSSANA, BAHREYN and *RASIMA were chief mares of this group.

4&5) Good info here: http://www.jamalarabians.com/egyptianarabians.htm
The first major importations from Egypt to America came in 1932. W.R. Brown of New Hampshire brought in a group of seven horses which included *Zarife, *Roda, *Nasr and *Aziza, all of whom appear in modern Egyptian pedigrees. *Zarife and *Roda are the parents of the black Hallany Mistanny, sire of 6 National winners and 19 producers of National winners. *Aziza's son Julep sired U.S. National Champion Stallion Synbad++ and U.S. National Champion Mare High Fashion++, among others. Unfortunately the Brown imports did not have as great a chance to influence modern American Egyptian breedings as those of the other group brought in the same year, the Babson importation.

After a multi-country search for Arabians that took him to England, France, Spain and Egypt, Henry Babson of Chicago imported seven horses from two different Egyptian studs. Of these, six had progeny and are found in current Egyptian breeding. Their enormous significance is beyond the scope of this article, but a book has been written about them entitled The Royal Arabians of Egypt and the Stud of Henry Babson (available from The Pyramid Society). For the record, the mares of the importation were *Bint Serra I, *Bint Bint Sabbah, *Maaroufa, *Bint Saada and *Bint Bint Durra. The latter two are rarer in pedigrees now. The only stallion of the importation was *Fadl, *Maaroufa's full brother.

From this seed stock Babson built an exceptional breeding program, which had some outcrosses to non-Egyptian lines for a number of years (through *Aldebar, *Sulejman, *Turfa and *Nimrod) as well as to some Nazeer-related horses like Ansata Abbas Pasha and *Ibn Moniet El Nefous. The outcrosses to horses unrelated to the 1932 imports ended some years ago, and the Babson farm will be ceasing breeding operations in 1998 after three generations of the family had maintained the horses.

6c) Raffles. Asil Arabian Ranch, Chino, California.

15) Actor R. Valentino- "Lawrence of Arabia".
While at Kellogg's, Jadaan did much to popularize the Arabian horse. He appeared in several movies including "Son Of The Sheik" starring Rudolph Valentino, and also took part in the Rose Parade.

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post May 28 2007, 11:43 PM
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ok, you guys got a lot of the ones I knew already!

3. W K Kellogg- importer Carl Schmitt- agent Horses *Raswan, *Raseyn, *NAsik, *Rimal, *Ferda, *Farasin, *Ferdisia, *Rifala, *Rossana

8. Frisco Mari, *Szarza, and of course Khemosabi

Ok, got to go clean some stalls before racking my brain further!

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post May 29 2007, 01:49 AM
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6(a) A very important political cartoon character - you are going to be so surprised -

Good work so far.

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post May 29 2007, 03:28 AM
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QUOTE (Riverside Arabians @ May 28 2007, 11:55 PM)
15) Actor R. Valentino- "Lawrence of Arabia".
While at Kellogg's, Jadaan did much to popularize the Arabian horse. He appeared in several movies including "Son Of The Sheik" starring Rudolph Valentino, and also took part in the Rose Parade.

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Rudolph Valentino never made and never starred in Lawremce of Arabia. The movies involving Jaadan were "The Sheik" and or " The Son of the Sheikh". The leading part in Lawrence of Arabia was done by a British Actor, Peter O'Toole. (actually born in Ireland)
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I wondered who was going to catch that? Still waiting for the cartoon, and
some of the other questions. Will give answers when people give up.

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post May 29 2007, 03:59 AM
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6-a- would it be the "Good enough for me" cartoon, with Lincoln and Rooseveldt?
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post May 29 2007, 04:42 AM
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Nope.

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Oops!
Goodness! I don't know what I was thinking about! Only 40 some years difference between those two movies! I apologize! Getting my handsome dark sheikhs confused! Maybe it's time for bed! tongue.gif
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Did some more searching...
Are you thinking of "No Honest Man Need Fear Cartoons"?- one of Homer Davenport's most famous cartoons depicting Senator Platt and Boss Tweed?
When a ban of political cartoons was being debated?
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post May 29 2007, 06:33 AM
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Nope.

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Rats sad.gif I had to leave for work so coming late to the party (not "THE PARTY" that one is in Paso Robles in October rolleyes.gif )
You guys got most of the ones I knew right off the top of my old head. But here's the one I had to really think about & I'm still not sure but.....Is the Homer Davenport
cartoon character you're looking for......William Randolph Hearst???? blink.gif
What a neat conection if it is, as in 1947 Hearst, trying to follow Davenport"s lead imported 14 horses from Syria biggrin.gif They did not breed forward as a closed group but several of the tail female line has come forward. (including one in my back yard tongue.gif )
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