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JacqueB, I want to thank you for your original question about Blue Star and Blue list as it has produced a wonderfully enlightening discussion and I think the body of your question has been well handled. I chose to speak only about the bigger picture because in any situation when we start dividing up the elements of a recipe it is also important to not lose focus on the flavor of what finally comes out of the oven.
So how does this thread tie into Egyptian breeding? Getting back to the "recipe" part of the discussion, perhaps you have already looked at the relationship to the Maneghi strain in Egyptian breeding. I won't delineate all the sources here because it is more fun to do the ancestral searches yourself. In most cases the sources of the Maneghi strain in Egyptian breeding come from highly regarded individuals such as the splendid Blunt acquired desert bred mare Queen of Sheba, whose sire is Maneghi-Hadruj and dam is Abayyah Sharrakiyah. She is now almost unversally throughout Egyptian breeding both in the "old" and "new." She is also theorized by some writers as being a prime source of the black color in Egyptian breeding.
So for academic curiosity who are some of the horses imported to the US from Egypt who did NOT have known lines to the Maneghi strain? There were a number of them though not all have come forward into today's Egyptian breeding. Forgive me if I miss any but, those Egyptian imports identified in the Blue Catalog, who exist in TODAY's straight Egyptian breeding are: *Shahwan, *Ghazala (1896), *Exochorda, *Maaroufa, *Nasr, and *Fadl. (*Nasr, *Exochorda, and *Fadl are prominent in the Blue Star breeding group.) There are also two other Egyptian imports to the US found in today's straight Egyptians who have no recorded Maneghi in their pedigrees, but their importation came after the Blue Catalog ceased publishing updates. So their "Blue Star" category will have to be a matter of whether they receive that official designation from the Catalog's author. Perhaps this has been now done, I do not know. These two are *Ibn Hafiza and *Serenity Bint Nadia. In the early 1970s a man in Texas who owned some excellent straight Egyptians and also some excellent Blue Star mares, decided to breed the Blue Star mares to *Ibn Hafiza, so his blood is found in a small but exceptional breeding group of horses of Blue Star breeding.
Regardless of whether "with or without" Maneghi is a consideration, I often thought how it would have been fortunate for the future to have bred *Ibn Hafiza to *Serenity Bint Nadia for several times but, alas, it was not to be. The other main value in this mating would be to produce straight Egyptians who, for outcross purposes, did not carry any lines to the Blunt acquired desert breds which are so prevalent worldwide. I am sure they are prevalent for good reason, but if we could turn back the clock knowing what we know now, we would have had a few more opportunities for preserving a kind of fragile diversity we once had.