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Ralph
post Jul 7 2008, 02:34 AM
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I read in a magazine that the 2-time world endurance champion, Pieraz was successfully cloned in 2005. Pieraz's clone is a stallion (while the original Pieraz is a gelding) and has sired a filly foal, about a month ago. Does anyone know more details of this??????

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post Jul 7 2008, 02:50 AM
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Yep, there are photos on this site: http://www.horsetalk.co.nz/news/2008/05/122.shtml
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post Jul 7 2008, 02:54 AM
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Off-topic -
Ralph, I answered your PM (quick question) as soon as I got it last Fri, but haven't heard back from you. Wha's up? Hope my reply didn't go into cyber-space.

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post Jul 7 2008, 03:33 AM
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Pierazade Du Vialaret is the daughter of the clone "Pieraz Cryozootech Stallion" and Dziupla, one of the foundation mares the endurance specialists "Elevage du Vialaret" possess. She was born 5th May 2008.

Let's wish both Pierazade Du Vialaret and her breeder, Mr Genieys, success! Mr Genieys is the first breeder to own a foal which carries the genes of the Champion Pieraz.

This birth follows the birth of Pégaso. Pégaso is Prométéa’s foal, Prométéa being the first mare Professor Galli cloned. Cryozootech hopes to breed Prométéa this year to Pieraz Cryozootech.

Pieraz Cryozootech Stallion is approved as a stallion in the A.E.S. Studbook. His fresh semen is available from Equitechnic Laboratory for the 2008 breeding season.

By Carnet Rose for Cryozootech. Presented here courtesy of Cryozootech. For more details on semen availability, please visit Cryozootech's web site (page in French).

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post Jul 7 2008, 09:11 AM
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Please be aware that no Arabian Stud Book authority anywhere in the world will register either a cloned Arabian, or the offspring (however many generations later) of a cloned Arabian.
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Dear Ralph,

This is the french address www.cryozootech.com, you will find photos and a video from last year when he was taken to an endurance ride in france for people to see. If you look at all of the info you will notice that he doesnt always have trhe same markings ! which is somewhat troubling. The video shows a very disturbed horse. He has extreemly bad legs because I dont think that he has been treated as a horse, only boxed and never let out I imagine. I canot see the point of cloning a gelding, Cash was a very good endurance horse but he performed as a gelding and not as a stallion, so it doesnt realy mean much as far as reproducing champions or winners.OMO. I think the fact that almost no one has used him says alot .I believe that the french studbook issued a positive statement concerning the use of this cloned horse it was also clear that the offspring would not have papers.
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post Jul 7 2008, 07:57 PM
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Although this article is a year old, so doesn't cover the most recent "achievements", IMO it is one of the better articles out there re: cloning....FYI for those interested: http://www.thehorse.com/ViewArticle.aspx?ID=9948

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post Jul 7 2008, 08:45 PM
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QUOTE (SKM @ Jul 7 2008, 10:11 AM)
Please be aware that no Arabian Stud Book authority anywhere in the world will register either a cloned Arabian, or the offspring (however many generations later) of a cloned Arabian.
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And it would be my fervent prayer that they NEVER will!! ph34r.gif

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post Jul 7 2008, 09:27 PM
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QUOTE (SKM @ Jul 7 2008, 10:11 AM)
Please be aware that no Arabian Stud Book authority anywhere in the world will register either a cloned Arabian, or the offspring (however many generations later) of a cloned Arabian.
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I think cloned horses can be registered by the Zangersheide Studbook in Belgium (who I think habe had some of their showjumpers cloned, or are planning it). No other studbook will register them as far as I know (Thank goodness).

For me the most worrying thing is that although modern biology is not yet sure of the long-term effects on cloned animals are, the technique is already being used commercially and the second generation (the offspring from clones animals) is already on the ground although no-one really knows what the long-term consequences will be. It's like a kind of runaway train feeling. huh.gif
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post Jul 8 2008, 03:05 AM
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Just so you guys are all clear a clone does not mean an exact physical or mental duplicate of the individual cloned.

They may not come out with same markings, same colors. This is especially evident in cloned cattle.

Personality is shaped by experiences so unless their experiences are identical they will not have the same mind set and opinions on life. This includes the dams that raised them.

A clone is merely a genetic duplicate.
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post Jul 8 2008, 07:48 AM
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Yes I know, that's not what what bugs me about it. What I find worrying are the potential health problems which might arise because "older" DNA (DNA does age, the ends get shorter and more mutations occur as time goes by) is copied. I'm waiting until they do the first whole genome project from a cloned animal and compare it to the whole genome of a normally bred animal. Now that would be interesting!
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post Jul 8 2008, 09:36 AM
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I hope they can never be registered.
I don't know if anyone else has experience working with clones, but I spent lots of time at the UCONN dairy farm working with the 5 cloned cows. Well I should say 3 since 2 died within the first year. There was something not right with them, they all had physical problems and 2 of the 3 I worked with had very obviously mental issues. One, who was the closest to normal physically, whenever she layed down for over 10 minutes, could not get back up. Every morning people had to come in and get something under her to sort of jimmy her up with.
And I'm sure by now all the research has been published about the findings with them, so feel free to look it up. But now there is only one still alive.
They were the strangest cows to work with, btu the cow they were cloned from was the really the best and easiest cow ever. They did not have her markings, her personality, her conformation or anything else, just her genetics.
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