Joined: 11-August 04
Member No.: 1584
Many of you know that I have been casually researching the history of the mare known mostly as *Exochorda for quite a few years. In that time I have collected a great deal of information regarding the history of the horses, people and places associated with *Exochorda, and I have written about this from time to time. There is a great deal of newly uncovered information to report on this topic, and research obtained by myself and Marilyn Lang during our recent stay in Egypt has expanded the file substantially. I am in the process of putting together a comprehensive article, booklet, book, or whatever size publication is required to present this case in a complete and thorough format in the near future. In the meantime, I wish to go on record with the following statement:
*Exochorda, known in Egypt as Leila II and/or Marquita, is absolutely and without question qualified as a Straight Egyptian. She was conceived in Egypt of Asil desert bred parents, born in Egypt in the possession of a famous breeder in association with and under the supervision of the RAS. Furthermore, she came to America from the Royal Stables of Egypt.
Substantive evidence and documents will be provided to support the above statement within the publication, and with the permission of Oliver and Alexsi, I will present an outline of these on this forum. Caryn Rogosky
Joined: 11-January 07
From: Two Mountain Ranch, Nampa, Idaho USA
Member No.: 4862
Following is a quote from the El Zahraa thread:
"Ray, a while back I recall reading a post of yours which referred to people drinking the Koolaid? Interesting, though, that you brought the new information regarding *Exochorda into this topic -- as there was no sensible reason for Hansi to inject that revolting commentary into what was intended to be a positive and educational thread. I do believe you are on to something.
I need NO ONE on my side to present evidence on *Exochorda; the fact of the matter is that truth will eventually overpower lies in any case, and only those heavily invested in keeping it from being told have cause to feel threatened by it. For you to defend what Hansi has done here Ray, for you think it is appropriate that you reprimand ME for rejecting an act which is so clearly indefensible is an indication to me that you and I have absolutely no basis for any further conversation -- of any sort. Drink up. Caryn Rogosky"
First, let me remind you that this is a public forum. The basis for conversation between any of us participants is the Arabian Horse, and specifically the SE. Spiteful, sarcastic, vindictive, abusive and disrespectful treatment of others on the forum is uncalled for and should not be a part of your repertoire.
Are you a "casual" researcher? Or are you a "serious" researcher? Throughout history, philosophers, scientists and mathematicians have put forth their postulations. These postulations were accompanied by lengthy and detailed explanations, many pages of mathematical computations and all manner of evidence they could bring to bear on the subject of their interest. Many of the great ones were ridiculed by the community they sought to convince. The professional communities were, and still are, often divided into "camps". Those who agree and those who disagree and those who are not sure and want more information.
What I personally think about the matter of Exochorda does not matter in the least. My opinion of people involved has no bearing. Attacking the "doubting Thomas" in the crowd does nothing to validate anything you put forth for public consideration. You have announced that you have new information on an ancestor whose SE label has been questioned. Publish it! But you must realize that it will come under close examination and is very likely to meet with some criticism. This is just how these things work. There should be nothing personal involved.
There are countless numbers of people who, in the course of life, have compromised their values and tarnished a lifetime of service and devotion. Do you remember a man named Bill Clinton? This is only an example to illustrate that keeping an open mind is of the utmost importance to a researcher. Do your homework and do ALL of it. Anything less than impeccable will not be accepted. This is assuming, of course, that you are serious about the issue.