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Caryn Rogosky
post Jul 12 2008, 07:51 PM
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Many of you know that I have been casually researching the history of the mare known mostly as *Exochorda for quite a few years. In that time I have collected a great deal of information regarding the history of the horses, people and places associated with *Exochorda, and I have written about this from time to time. There is a great deal of newly uncovered information to report on this topic, and research obtained by myself and Marilyn Lang during our recent stay in Egypt has expanded the file substantially. I am in the process of putting together a comprehensive article, booklet, book, or whatever size publication is required to present this case in a complete and thorough format in the near future.
In the meantime, I wish to go on record with the following statement:

*Exochorda, known in Egypt as Leila II and/or Marquita, is absolutely and without question qualified as a Straight Egyptian. She was conceived in Egypt of Asil desert bred parents, born in Egypt in the possession of a famous breeder in association with and under the supervision of the RAS. Furthermore, she came to America from the Royal Stables of Egypt.

Substantive evidence and documents will be provided to support the above statement within the publication, and with the permission of Oliver and Alexsi, I will present an outline of these on this forum.
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post Jul 15 2008, 01:46 PM
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Dear All

Of course the PS can decide at any time how to change the original minutes/rules to accommodate whatever. But even the last change includes horses bred in Egypt by a private breeder.

Now if the PS or anybody can give us that private breeder and the country foaled in, all is okay. Why is this so difficult to answer my questions and asked decade ago? Why would W R Brown sent a telegram to our registry here in 1930 which
states "Just a typical race track mare"- I have a copy of it? He obviously did not know either. Why has nobody ever heard of the parents and the offspring, the only one of these parents? Not Tunesia, Morocco,Lebanon,Saudi,Syria etc.etc.

According to my records neither owner of the parents were Egyptian
Citizens nor actual horse breeders, but owned here and there a horse to race for their pleasure.

Now lets hear what new inventions will come about, just like those making her eligable for the sheikh Obeyd Org.which truly is a joke in my opinion. A misrepresentation of the bluntest kind. that could also be changed by a proper footnote acknowledging the error copied from the AHRa data. the AHRa corrected it in their database and took the "Breeder RAS" out.

And Ken is right, I never questioned the mare's Asil status, going by her parents listed on the Export Certificate, of which I have a copy.

I stated many times that at discussion never was the mare herself, but her acclaimed labels here, the latter the couse for many a sale as high as in six figure amounts strictly on a label, not on the horse,when it on its own merrit would have been worth one percent of it in the opinion of horsemen. as many others were and are.

I always adored Simeon Shai, truly an outstanding stallion and there are others which I like as a horse just as well. so what is the problem? the money making label? the sooner we start breeding horses by their meritts, the better off the industry will be. there were no "Labels" prior to what I mentined above, and the imported lines through Babson etc did extremely well, dont you all agree?
I always felt that the importance was that the horse can be accepted as "Asil"
and if that is not good enough, what will be?

the only reason for this continous debate could be that some people are running scared, knowing they did wrong by false disclosure. However, I gladly stand corrected if finally we find the breeder and the country of birth. It's been 40 years I am searching and could not find!

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- Caryn Rogosky   Statement Regarding *exochorda   Jul 12 2008, 07:51 PM
- - Chiron   FANTASTIC The truth will out.   Jul 12 2008, 08:05 PM
- - lila1989   Thats great news, I love researchers. Monique   Jul 12 2008, 08:55 PM
- - Nadj al Nur   Wonderful. Caryn. I hope it's a book. I want o...   Jul 12 2008, 09:16 PM
- - barbara.gregory   Eagerly awaiting an update; great that we have peo...   Jul 13 2008, 02:46 PM
- - 2mntn   Caryn, Following is a quote from the El Zahraa th...   Jul 13 2008, 03:36 PM
- - Caryn Rogosky   Thank you very much Ladies. The circumstances of E...   Jul 14 2008, 03:54 AM
- - HLM   Dear Pete Nothing and nobody can be 100 bad excep...   Jul 14 2008, 10:43 AM
- - Mr Prospector   This information on this mare should be of interes...   Jul 14 2008, 10:47 AM
- - HLM   Dear Karen I never could understand the emotion a...   Jul 14 2008, 11:01 AM
- - katarin   ...   Jul 14 2008, 11:07 AM
- - Gari   Caryn, Am absolutely thrilled to read this and th...   Jul 14 2008, 11:08 AM
- - diane   QUOTE (Mr Prospector @ Jul 14 2008, 08:47 PM)...   Jul 14 2008, 11:51 AM
- - Gari   Katerin, One and the same...and If Dr. Marei isn...   Jul 14 2008, 12:16 PM
- - katarin   ...   Jul 14 2008, 12:24 PM
- - Oliver   Dear Katarin, be sure that Nasr Marei knows what h...   Jul 14 2008, 12:50 PM
- - Marilyn Lang   Hi Katarin, Yes, Laheeb has the distinct honor of...   Jul 14 2008, 01:00 PM
- - Liz Salmon   I think this is great news and goes to show how da...   Jul 14 2008, 01:51 PM
- - HLM   Dear Oliver I honestly cant believe what I am rea...   Jul 14 2008, 01:53 PM
- - HLM   Liz (s) who condemned this bloodline? Why go to t...   Jul 14 2008, 02:05 PM
- - Pete Hiatt   My post has been removed. It simply atated that no...   Jul 14 2008, 03:34 PM
- - Demelza Hoogeveen   Hi Karen, Al Badeia already has used the Exochorda...   Jul 14 2008, 03:38 PM
- - HLM   Dear Pete What I do not like when personal attack...   Jul 14 2008, 03:52 PM
- - 2mntn   Hello Pete, I did not read your post before you r...   Jul 14 2008, 03:53 PM
- - Nadj al Nur   Precisely the point Ray. Facts do not change, no m...   Jul 14 2008, 03:57 PM
- - Sabrina+Karsten   Who is the breeder in the current AHRA database?   Jul 14 2008, 04:22 PM
- - 2mntn   Everyone, There is a mistaken perception that I a...   Jul 14 2008, 04:31 PM
- - HLM   Dear Ray thank you, I agree. It is our opinions w...   Jul 14 2008, 05:15 PM
- - Pete Hiatt   Hansi and I have our areas of agreements and our a...   Jul 14 2008, 05:50 PM
- - Gari   Dear Pete, So far agree with you about all until ...   Jul 14 2008, 07:23 PM
- - HLM   Gari am so sorry to disappoint you, but some of ...   Jul 14 2008, 08:09 PM
- - 2mntn   Here is a quote from an article by Joe Achcar: ...   Jul 14 2008, 08:14 PM
- - Caryn Rogosky   Hi All, I would very much like to see this discuss...   Jul 14 2008, 08:59 PM
- - JMO   Hi Caryn, thank you for your explanation and I...   Jul 14 2008, 11:11 PM
- - Pete Hiatt   Gari, I am shocked that you consider any more than...   Jul 14 2008, 11:32 PM
- - set   I think anyone contemplating buying an Egyptians w...   Jul 15 2008, 12:36 AM
- - Gari   You can buy the book that will be out next year, h...   Jul 15 2008, 12:47 AM
- - Pete Hiatt   I am ripped between you being delusional or simply...   Jul 15 2008, 01:11 AM
- - 1rider   hello all whats the piont. the firs post said they...   Jul 15 2008, 04:20 AM
- - 2mntn   QUOTE (Caryn Rogosky @ Jul 14 2008, 09:59 PM)...   Jul 15 2008, 04:36 AM
- - Nadj al Nur   Ken........(and any others, who haven't read i...   Jul 15 2008, 04:54 AM
- - Demelza Hoogeveen   For those who missed it here it is again: http://w...   Jul 15 2008, 05:01 AM
- - 1rider   Thanks great article. so it still up in the air a...   Jul 15 2008, 05:53 AM
- - Nadj al Nur   That's possible Ken, since not very many resea...   Jul 15 2008, 05:58 AM
- - 1rider   See this is good stuff. why i come to this forum....   Jul 15 2008, 06:04 AM
- - katarin   ...   Jul 15 2008, 06:27 AM
- - 1rider   why would you breed a related stallion to an se ma...   Jul 15 2008, 07:33 AM
- - 1rider   QUOTE (katarin @ Jul 15 2008, 07:27 AM)Dear O...   Jul 15 2008, 08:48 AM
- - katarin   ...   Jul 15 2008, 09:15 AM
- - peter   Dear Katarin, I absolutely agree with you. I pers...   Jul 15 2008, 11:38 AM
- - Arabiansummer   QUOTE (peter @ Jul 15 2008, 12:38 PM)And the ...   Jul 15 2008, 01:00 PM
- - Caryn Rogosky   Quote Ken: "hello all whats the piont. the fi...   Jul 15 2008, 01:45 PM
- - Caryn Rogosky   Quote Peter: " I mentioned it on this forum b...   Jul 15 2008, 01:58 PM
- - HLM   Dear Katarin I truly dont understand why you aske...   Jul 15 2008, 02:00 PM
- - HLM   Yes Peter, I agree, but you forgot one thing...   Jul 15 2008, 02:03 PM
- - HLM   Dear all what I will never condone are outragous ...   Jul 15 2008, 02:15 PM
- - An American Breeder   STOP THE FIGHTING ! ! I, for one, am SI...   Jul 15 2008, 02:17 PM
- - Caryn Rogosky   Quote Hansi: "Now lets hear what new inventio...   Jul 15 2008, 02:18 PM
- - Diana   I thought Exochorda was accepted by the Pyramid So...   Jul 15 2008, 02:28 PM
- - Caryn Rogosky   Quote Diana: "I thought Exochorda was accepte...   Jul 15 2008, 02:52 PM
- - 2mntn   Can anyone answer my question from post # 40? Tha...   Jul 15 2008, 02:57 PM
- - Sabrina+Karsten   Quote Ken: "Hansi doesnt question the purity ...   Jul 15 2008, 03:01 PM
- - HLM   Yes Diane she was, based on their belief that she ...   Jul 15 2008, 03:03 PM
- - katarin   ...   Jul 15 2008, 03:14 PM
- - Caryn Rogosky   Quote Sabrina and Karsten: 'this is ABSOLUTELY...   Jul 15 2008, 03:16 PM
- - HLM   Katatrin, are you sure you are okay? You read thin...   Jul 15 2008, 03:18 PM
- - Sabrina+Karsten   Wouldn't an objective, unbiased researcher typ...   Jul 15 2008, 03:20 PM
- - HLM   Thanks Sabrina and Karsten I would not reply to c...   Jul 15 2008, 03:23 PM
- - Sabrina+Karsten   QUOTE (Caryn Rogosky @ Jul 15 2008, 04:16 PM)...   Jul 15 2008, 03:30 PM
- - Diana   Dear Katarin, when the PS accepted Exochorda as st...   Jul 15 2008, 03:47 PM
- - 2mntn   Well, I guess nobody knows who the founding member...   Jul 15 2008, 03:55 PM
- - Marilyn Lang   Hansi, I personally would like a reply to Caryn...   Jul 15 2008, 04:03 PM
- - 2mntn   QUOTE (Diana @ Jul 15 2008, 04:47 PM)Dear Kat...   Jul 15 2008, 04:05 PM
- - Nadj al Nur   Ray,I think you must know that very high quality ...   Jul 15 2008, 04:15 PM
- - Sabrina+Karsten   Dear Caryn, I wonder how anyone can say about Han...   Jul 15 2008, 04:25 PM
- - HLM   Dear Diane yes, that is correct. When in 1968 I...   Jul 15 2008, 04:27 PM
- - Kimberli Nelson   There is not a single LABEL that our horses have t...   Jul 15 2008, 04:36 PM
- - Caryn Rogosky   Quote Sabrina: "Surely, but what are the new...   Jul 15 2008, 04:46 PM
- - placido   QUOTE (Caryn Rogosky @ Jul 15 2008, 03:18 PM)...   Jul 15 2008, 04:56 PM
- - Sabrina+Karsten   Thank you very much for clarifying yours and/or Ka...   Jul 15 2008, 05:09 PM
- - Sabrina+Karsten   Dear Caryn, can you please send me the name of th...   Jul 15 2008, 05:17 PM
- - Chiron   WOW The Topic That Wouldn't Die If I re...   Jul 15 2008, 05:24 PM
- - Caryn Rogosky   Hi Sabrina, I would like to help but have told yo...   Jul 15 2008, 05:56 PM
- - Sabrina+Karsten   Hi Caryn, as I said - there is/was no pressure ag...   Jul 15 2008, 06:30 PM
- - peter   Dear ArabianSummer, I have witnessed several situ...   Jul 15 2008, 06:46 PM
- - Caryn Rogosky   Sabrina said: "as I said - there is/was no pr...   Jul 15 2008, 06:59 PM
- - 2mntn   Hello Caryn, You have stated a biased opinion, wh...   Jul 15 2008, 07:07 PM
- - Nadj al Nur   Unless the documentation is there to back up their...   Jul 15 2008, 07:16 PM
- - HLM   Dear Sabrina and Karsten the person making these ...   Jul 15 2008, 07:45 PM
- - Caryn Rogosky   First, let me say that *Exochorda is a Pyramid Soc...   Jul 15 2008, 07:49 PM
- - Pete Hiatt   Nasralla: This case has been put to bed. Nasralla ...   Jul 15 2008, 07:49 PM
- - Kimberli Nelson   I guess we will just have to buy all the books, OR...   Jul 15 2008, 07:55 PM
- - Daceena   QUOTE (Kimberli Nelson @ Jul 15 2008, 08:55 P...   Jul 15 2008, 08:05 PM
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- - 2mntn   QUOTE (Caryn Rogosky @ Jul 15 2008, 08:49 PM)...   Jul 15 2008, 08:25 PM
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- - 2mntn   OH Kimberli, that is so sad! Sorry to hear ab...   Jul 15 2008, 08:51 PM
- - Kimberli Nelson   QUOTE (2mntn @ Jul 15 2008, 09:51 PM)BTW - do...   Jul 15 2008, 08:56 PM
- - 2mntn   How the hell did I get in to this mess???   Jul 15 2008, 08:58 PM
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