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AL DHAFRA
post May 9 2009, 06:54 PM
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dear members i was wondering if some can help me finding answer to my Q?

is EXOCHORDA (1924) by AIGLON out of LEILA arabian mare ? if yes is she an SE mare?


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sarri
post May 10 2009, 06:06 PM
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QUOTE (carolmaginn @ May 10 2009, 06:52 PM)
Well let me put it this way.... I wouldn't give a free breeding to someone with a mare that had not produced well with a stallion of equal quality to my own, or who had conformation or phenotype that wouldn't be likely to produce a quality foal with my stallion.  I would rather refer them to a stallion that would be a better match for that mare.  If my goal is to help produce good foals that wouldn't make sense.

But if someone had an exceptional mare who had produced well with another stallion of similiar quality, or even it the mare produced no foals but was a high quality mare, then yes I would give a free breeding to my stallion/s.  The people in the middle east do not give breedings to every mare owner if they do not like the mare - which I also think is a good thing.

In fact I have heard that what some of the people do in Saudi is that they give a free breeding, and the mare owner does something nice for them - gives them a nice gift or something as a "thank you".  I think this is really nice and also builds friendships more so then money.  In this economy - there are some small breeders out there who have really exceptional mares but just can't afford a $5,000 stud fee when they can buy a mature quality mare (if they look long and hard enough) these days for $15,000 only due to the fact that people are hurting right now with our terrible economy.  By the time you are done with all the breeding fees and foaling fees to your vet (who has probably raised their fees and tightened extending credit) you are up to about $7,500 (with the $5K stud fee) and if you end up with a colt who is not top quality - you have a gelding you would not be able to sell for that much.  So where is the incentive to pay such a stud fee right now?  If you have the money and you want to breed to a horse - then yes you pay the fee, but that is only a few people right now - maybe 1 or 2% of our population has much descretionary money to spend right now.

So I would be open to a much reduced stud fee or no stud fee for mare owners with very high quality mares, and I think that most serious breeders would do that same.  They might not say that on SE.com, they may say "hey don't share this with anyone but I'll give you this stud fee for your top mare...", but I think serious breeders who care about producing quality foals more then money would do this.

In fact I have been given free breedings to very nice stallions for use on my best mares, so I would be willing to pass it on when appropriate for the right mare yes.  In truth, I have felt such gratitude to these stallion owners that I would do anything for them and in end would have probably paid for the breeding giving them free photos or other help I could provide.

I don't think that makes me a trend setter - I'll bet more people might be doing that but they just may not discuss it online.

And one more thing... It is so sad to see some high quality stallions out there not being used because people can't afford the stud fees.  There are several stallions that I really like who no one is using.  As a result the stallion owners become disheartened and less and less enthused.  But what is you see a super baby produced by your stallion - I mean a SUPER baby... Would you still be sad that you didn't charge for this breeding fee, or would you not be over the moon about what you stallion was able to be produced?

I hope that answers the question  :-)

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my comment was tongue and cheek kind of a comment not a serious one i was just joshin and i admire any one who would honestly say hey my stallion is not for your mare but i know of a stallion that is .. unfortunately in north america you would be trend setter and in a good way and there are several stallions i would love to breed to but the fees are so high i cannot afford them so i understand
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- AL DHAFRA   Q. Is Exochorda Pure Arabian Mare?   May 9 2009, 06:54 PM
- - Razgold   Yes to both questions. She is in my mare's ped...   May 9 2009, 07:04 PM
- - Liz Salmon   Definitely Yes to both questions !! A grea...   May 9 2009, 07:54 PM
- - 1rider   There still is no proof on rthe SE just marginal ...   May 10 2009, 01:25 AM
- - carolmaginn   In my opinion, there was clear proof provided for ...   May 10 2009, 02:22 AM
- - 1rider   Yes Carol people shouldnt fallow blindly! and ...   May 10 2009, 03:07 AM
- - carolmaginn   Sure Ken, I agree with you - no one ever put th...   May 10 2009, 04:12 AM
- - Tous crins   QUOTE (carolmaginn @ May 9 2009, 08:12 PM)Sur...   May 10 2009, 04:38 AM
- - 1rider   Just a reminder there is no question of purity.......   May 10 2009, 04:52 AM
- - carolmaginn   Hi Ken, Okay - I hear what you are saying.... I a...   May 10 2009, 07:39 AM
- - Liz Salmon   What a great epistle Carol !!!! Yo...   May 10 2009, 12:02 PM
- - Lil Buddha   *sigh* my head hurts and my hair is on fire...ano...   May 10 2009, 01:13 PM
- - KGH   Somebody get this man some water! Exochorda i...   May 10 2009, 01:37 PM
- - Liz Salmon   With that said from KGH, doesn't everyone thin...   May 10 2009, 01:46 PM
- - Al Sahra Arabians   Thank you Carol, Liz and everyone else for this di...   May 10 2009, 01:57 PM
- - MHuprich   The term "Straight Egyptian" is one that...   May 10 2009, 02:11 PM
- - sarri   QUOTE (carolmaginn @ May 10 2009, 08:39 AM)Hi...   May 10 2009, 02:14 PM
- - carolmaginn   Liz, That is great, but I still think that long t...   May 10 2009, 02:36 PM
- - carolmaginn   Hi Sarry, I do not think that it says on the AHA ...   May 10 2009, 02:53 PM
- - sarri   QUOTE (carolmaginn @ May 10 2009, 03:53 PM)Hi...   May 10 2009, 03:24 PM
- - carolmaginn   Liz, I don't think its time for closure yet -...   May 10 2009, 03:33 PM
- - carolmaginn   Not if I used a breeding facility not at my farm.....   May 10 2009, 03:35 PM
- - sarri   QUOTE (carolmaginn @ May 10 2009, 04:35 PM)No...   May 10 2009, 03:42 PM
- - sarri   QUOTE (carolmaginn @ May 10 2009, 04:33 PM)Li...   May 10 2009, 03:44 PM
- - Liz Salmon   Yes, Carol, David Frost was a household name in th...   May 10 2009, 03:45 PM
- - carolmaginn   Liz, I am not an expert in any way, however it is...   May 10 2009, 05:27 PM
- - carolmaginn   Well let me put it this way.... I wouldn't giv...   May 10 2009, 05:52 PM
- - KGH   Sarri, There was a time when breeders would often ...   May 10 2009, 06:13 PM
- - carolmaginn   Sarri, I should have known you were just kidding,...   May 10 2009, 06:16 PM
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