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AL DHAFRA
post May 9 2009, 06:54 PM
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dear members i was wondering if some can help me finding answer to my Q?

is EXOCHORDA (1924) by AIGLON out of LEILA arabian mare ? if yes is she an SE mare?


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carolmaginn
post May 11 2009, 04:52 AM
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Ken,

It really doesn't matter that no one has put down the type, conformation or quality of the horse. Casting doubt on a SE horse's pedigree and suggesting that is has questionable heritage is what destroys the reputation of those lines. In fact I would say that because the horses were of higher quality in terms of conformation and type - the only way to compete was to create fear, uncertainty and doubt (FUD) around the horse's pedigree.

I swear to you that I have no old resentment. I don't have these lines and I respect everyone involved here for the contributions they have made to the breed.

I totally agree with you that the biggest money maker has been lack of knowledge. One more thing I want you to know. The conclusions I have drawn are my own. They are not made because of any influence of people I know and respect. In fact I really do respect all of the people who have discussed this topic from both sides for what they have given to the breed - but I still have to form my own personal conclusion.

I want you to know that I am not a sheep just following some person who may have a personal agenda.

That is what I want for all of us - not to be sheep or those little animals that follow the leader off the cliff and drown because they can't think for themselves or see the results of going down that path (lemmons I think they are called).

Lets debate and discuss and use the research and fact as you said... But I do think that it is a fact that people sometimes discredit others when the feel insecure. I hate to say it but its almost like thing people do because they are just humans and are fearful of losing something

Carol.

QUOTE (1rider @ May 10 2009, 11:23 PM)
7. It is true that there have been very damaging rumors planted and circulated to imply impurity or lack of provenance in the pedigrees of some of the greatest bloodlines the SE community has ever known. I believe very strongly that this is no accident. Think about it...who has ever bothered to target bloodlines that weren't gaining success?  It is easy to promote the "purest of the pure" label stuck on the rumps of one's own breeding animals by simply pointing out whatever holes exist in "the other guys" horse's pedigrees  -- while absolutely ignoring the same (or worse) holes which exist in the ancestry of one's own herd. What easier way to bring down a competitor's breeding program or to devaluate a competitors produce? And it has always worked like a charm. Why? Because the people who perpetrate these rumors DEPEND upon the lack of knowledge of others.
To have knowledge is to be empowered. 
Caryn Rogosky
...Why cant it be simple question and research... Still never heard any one put this horses type , conformation or quality put down.... old resentment keeps clouding these subjects...the lack of knowledge about horses has been the biggest money maker in this industry, mostly by the halter industry..... Ken
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- AL DHAFRA   Q. Is Exochorda Pure Arabian Mare?   May 9 2009, 06:54 PM
- - Razgold   Yes to both questions. She is in my mare's ped...   May 9 2009, 07:04 PM
- - Liz Salmon   Definitely Yes to both questions !! A grea...   May 9 2009, 07:54 PM
- - 1rider   There still is no proof on rthe SE just marginal ...   May 10 2009, 01:25 AM
- - carolmaginn   In my opinion, there was clear proof provided for ...   May 10 2009, 02:22 AM
- - 1rider   Yes Carol people shouldnt fallow blindly! and ...   May 10 2009, 03:07 AM
- - carolmaginn   Sure Ken, I agree with you - no one ever put th...   May 10 2009, 04:12 AM
- - Tous crins   QUOTE (carolmaginn @ May 9 2009, 08:12 PM)Sur...   May 10 2009, 04:38 AM
- - 1rider   Just a reminder there is no question of purity.......   May 10 2009, 04:52 AM
- - carolmaginn   Hi Ken, Okay - I hear what you are saying.... I a...   May 10 2009, 07:39 AM
- - Liz Salmon   What a great epistle Carol !!!! Yo...   May 10 2009, 12:02 PM
- - Lil Buddha   *sigh* my head hurts and my hair is on fire...ano...   May 10 2009, 01:13 PM
- - KGH   Somebody get this man some water! Exochorda i...   May 10 2009, 01:37 PM
- - Liz Salmon   With that said from KGH, doesn't everyone thin...   May 10 2009, 01:46 PM
- - Al Sahra Arabians   Thank you Carol, Liz and everyone else for this di...   May 10 2009, 01:57 PM
- - MHuprich   The term "Straight Egyptian" is one that...   May 10 2009, 02:11 PM
- - sarri   QUOTE (carolmaginn @ May 10 2009, 08:39 AM)Hi...   May 10 2009, 02:14 PM
- - carolmaginn   Liz, That is great, but I still think that long t...   May 10 2009, 02:36 PM
- - carolmaginn   Hi Sarry, I do not think that it says on the AHA ...   May 10 2009, 02:53 PM
- - sarri   QUOTE (carolmaginn @ May 10 2009, 03:53 PM)Hi...   May 10 2009, 03:24 PM
- - carolmaginn   Liz, I don't think its time for closure yet -...   May 10 2009, 03:33 PM
- - carolmaginn   Not if I used a breeding facility not at my farm.....   May 10 2009, 03:35 PM
- - sarri   QUOTE (carolmaginn @ May 10 2009, 04:35 PM)No...   May 10 2009, 03:42 PM
- - sarri   QUOTE (carolmaginn @ May 10 2009, 04:33 PM)Li...   May 10 2009, 03:44 PM
- - Liz Salmon   Yes, Carol, David Frost was a household name in th...   May 10 2009, 03:45 PM
- - carolmaginn   Liz, I am not an expert in any way, however it is...   May 10 2009, 05:27 PM
- - carolmaginn   Well let me put it this way.... I wouldn't giv...   May 10 2009, 05:52 PM
- - sarri   QUOTE (carolmaginn @ May 10 2009, 06:52 PM)We...   May 10 2009, 06:06 PM
- - KGH   Sarri, There was a time when breeders would often ...   May 10 2009, 06:13 PM
- - carolmaginn   Sarri, I should have known you were just kidding,...   May 10 2009, 06:16 PM
- - carolmaginn   Well this is true... Kelly I think you may have lo...   May 10 2009, 06:27 PM
- - KGH   Carol Many stallion owners are turning away from p...   May 10 2009, 06:49 PM
- - sarri   QUOTE (KGH @ May 10 2009, 07:13 PM)Sarri, The...   May 10 2009, 06:55 PM
- - carolmaginn   Well I think swapping is a great plan... and a goo...   May 10 2009, 07:31 PM
- - carolmaginn   Hey I currently maintain the Sheyk Obeyd website. ...   May 10 2009, 07:34 PM
- - Solita   I love your way of thinking Carol QUOTE (carol...   May 10 2009, 09:17 PM
- - Caryn Rogosky   Dear Carol and All, I swore never to get into an I...   May 11 2009, 01:20 AM
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||- - Dieter   QUOTE (diane @ Mar 19 2012, 08:40 AM) Que...   Mar 19 2012, 12:59 PM
|- - Caryn Rogosky   QUOTE (Dieter @ Mar 19 2012, 12:55 PM) In...   Mar 19 2012, 12:47 PM
|- - Dieter   QUOTE (Caryn Rogosky @ Mar 19 2012, 08:47...   Mar 19 2012, 12:54 PM
||- - Caryn Rogosky   QUOTE (Dieter @ Mar 19 2012, 01:54 PM) LO...   Mar 19 2012, 01:01 PM
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||- - Caryn Rogosky   QUOTE (Dieter @ Mar 19 2012, 02:16 PM) Re...   Mar 19 2012, 02:22 PM
||- - Dieter   QUOTE (Caryn Rogosky @ Mar 19 2012, 10:22...   Mar 19 2012, 02:28 PM
||- - HLM   QUOTE (Dieter @ Mar 19 2012, 04:28 PM) LO...   Mar 19 2012, 07:48 PM
|- - Dieter   QUOTE (Caryn Rogosky @ Mar 19 2012, 08:47...   Mar 19 2012, 01:48 PM
|- - Caryn Rogosky   QUOTE (Dieter @ Mar 19 2012, 02:48 PM) An...   Mar 19 2012, 02:12 PM
|- - Dieter   QUOTE (Caryn Rogosky @ Mar 19 2012, 10:12...   Mar 19 2012, 02:16 PM
|- - HLM   QUOTE (Dieter @ Mar 19 2012, 04:16 PM) Se...   Mar 19 2012, 07:44 PM
|- - Caryn Rogosky   QUOTE (HLM @ Mar 19 2012, 09:44 PM) Liz ...   Mar 19 2012, 08:00 PM
|- - 2mntn   QUOTE (Caryn Rogosky @ Mar 19 2012, 02:00...   Mar 19 2012, 08:09 PM
|- - HLM   QUOTE (2mntn @ Mar 19 2012, 09:09 PM) LOL...   Mar 19 2012, 08:48 PM
|- - Caryn Rogosky   QUOTE (HLM @ Mar 19 2012, 09:48 PM) O my ...   Mar 19 2012, 09:03 PM
- - 1rider   7. It is true that there have been very damaging r...   May 11 2009, 04:23 AM
- - Caryn Rogosky   I agree, it should just be about questions and res...   May 11 2009, 03:08 PM
- - MHuprich   Liz, are you saying the EAO only used horses that ...   Mar 19 2012, 12:44 PM
|- - Dieter   QUOTE (MHuprich @ Mar 19 2012, 08:44 AM) ...   Mar 19 2012, 01:10 PM
- - Kimberli   I could make a list of thousands of Registered Ara...   Mar 19 2012, 02:43 PM
|- - Dieter   QUOTE (Kimberli @ Mar 19 2012, 10:43 AM) ...   Mar 19 2012, 03:17 PM
- - Kimberli   Liz, you are absolutely correct! Therefore, ...   Mar 19 2012, 03:32 PM
|- - Dieter   QUOTE (Kimberli @ Mar 19 2012, 11:32 AM) ...   Mar 19 2012, 03:40 PM
- - Nadj al Nur   QUOTE (Kimberli @ Mar 19 2012, 08:32 AM) ...   Mar 19 2012, 03:49 PM
- - Kimberli   The question that started this thread some 3 years...   Mar 19 2012, 03:50 PM
|- - HLM   QUOTE (Kimberli @ Mar 19 2012, 05:50 PM) ...   Mar 19 2012, 07:51 PM
|- - diane   QUOTE (HLM @ Mar 20 2012, 05:51 AM) Dear ...   Mar 19 2012, 10:39 PM
- - Nadj al Nur   QUOTE (2mntn @ Mar 19 2012, 01:09 PM) LOL...   Mar 19 2012, 08:12 PM
|- - Caryn Rogosky   QUOTE (Nadj al Nur @ Mar 19 2012, 09:12 P...   Mar 19 2012, 08:46 PM
- - Caryn Rogosky   BTW, it was Liz Dieter who was under the impressio...   Mar 19 2012, 09:05 PM
- - karin   This discussion is many times repeated. Please clo...   Mar 19 2012, 11:22 PM
- - karin   Topic closed and I hope that people let it rest no...   Mar 19 2012, 11:39 PM


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