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post Nov 10 2009, 07:13 AM
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Hello

please refresh my memorey about horses that had doubt in the ansecteral pedigrees. I know that the WAHO has reached a compremise on some of these horses, but I would like to know names and some background.
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post Nov 10 2009, 08:24 PM
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Not WAHO-approved Arabs from Egypt, although there are registered as purebred Arabians, were due not exactly clarified origin but not recognized by WAHO.

Here is a mare from the Hamdan Stables in Egypt.

Because of the unexplained origin of the mother rather than the WAHO recognized.It is the mare Cleopatra (Chestnut) 1969 by Amlam Emam out of Bint Nafa'a. Imported 1972 through the stud Ismer to Germany.



That of the mare Bint Nafaa and her descendents, with their cross to El Gadaa, a horse bred by Fad’aan Bedouin leader Miqhim ibn Mahayd, and later raced in Egypt and used by Hamdan stables, is a case in point.

The gorgeous Bint Nafaa was born in Egypt in 1962, and bred by Ahmed Hamza’s Hamdan Stables, yet she does not have the “Straight Egyptian” label.

The Pyramid Society, who coined the “definition” of a Straight Egyptian and Egyptian breds, does not accept El Gadaa, Nafaa’s sire, as a Straight Egpytian.

El Gadaa was a racehorse, who stood at Hamdan stables for a while and was bred by Miqhim ibn Mahayd, the Shaykh of the Bedouin Fad’aan tribe. Egyptian records have him as being by El Sabaa, also a racehorse, out of a Ma’naghiyah of Ibn Mhayd.

Fine. But many questions remain unanswered. Did Miqhim race Arabian horses in Egypt? or did he sell the horse to a racehorse owner? did he own El Gadaa’s sire El Sabaa? where was El Gadaa bred, in Egypt, or in the desert?

I know Miqhim ibn Mahayd left Syria sometimes in the 1950s (will get back to you with the exact date) after a series of problems with the Syrian regime, and moved to Saudi Arabia, where he received royal treatment from the King - himself a fellow Anazeh tribesman, who incidentally bred Bint Nafaa’s dam Nafaa, a desertbred Kuhaylah (so marbat) by a ‘Ubayyan al-Suyayfi – a strain that branched off ‘Ubayyan al-Hunaydees. I know Miqhim kept a small herd of horses in Syria with the care of an agent.
Page 66 of the Hamdan herd book has El Gadaa as follows (quoted). No date is shown.


1.—EL GADAA
Stallion, chestnut, bred by Sheikh Midjhem Ibn Meheyd of the Fidaan Anazeh Bedouin Tribe of Arabia.

Presented to Ahmed Hamza as a gift by Gadaan Ibn Meheyd.

Sire: El Sabaa, a Koheilan el Mohssen, who raced successfully in Lebanon.
Dam: A Maanagiyah.

Both strains are staple Fad’aan strains,is there any reason not believe this information?

It is interesting to note that hypothetically if El Ghadaa was proposed to Al Khamsa and accepted by them as a roster horse

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post Nov 10 2009, 09:38 PM
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QUOTE (Teymur B @ Nov 10 2009, 12:24 PM) *
Not WAHO-approved Arabs from Egypt, although there are registered as purebred Arabians, were due not exactly clarified origin but not recognized by WAHO.

Here is a mare from the Hamdan Stables in Egypt.

Because of the unexplained origin of the mother rather than the WAHO recognized.It is the mare Cleopatra (Chestnut) 1969 by Amlam Emam out of Bint Nafa'a. Imported 1972 through the stud Ismer to Germany.



That of the mare Bint Nafaa and her descendents, with their cross to El Gadaa, a horse bred by Fad’aan Bedouin leader Miqhim ibn Mahayd, and later raced in Egypt and used by Hamdan stables, is a case in point.

The gorgeous Bint Nafaa was born in Egypt in 1962, and bred by Ahmed Hamza’s Hamdan Stables, yet she does not have the “Straight Egyptian” label.

The Pyramid Society, who coined the “definition” of a Straight Egyptian and Egyptian breds, does not accept El Gadaa, Nafaa’s sire, as a Straight Egpytian.

El Gadaa was a racehorse, who stood at Hamdan stables for a while and was bred by Miqhim ibn Mahayd, the Shaykh of the Bedouin Fad’aan tribe. Egyptian records have him as being by El Sabaa, also a racehorse, out of a Ma’naghiyah of Ibn Mhayd.

Fine. But many questions remain unanswered. Did Miqhim race Arabian horses in Egypt? or did he sell the horse to a racehorse owner? did he own El Gadaa’s sire El Sabaa? where was El Gadaa bred, in Egypt, or in the desert?

I know Miqhim ibn Mahayd left Syria sometimes in the 1950s (will get back to you with the exact date) after a series of problems with the Syrian regime, and moved to Saudi Arabia, where he received royal treatment from the King - himself a fellow Anazeh tribesman, who incidentally bred Bint Nafaa’s dam Nafaa, a desertbred Kuhaylah (so marbat) by a ‘Ubayyan al-Suyayfi – a strain that branched off ‘Ubayyan al-Hunaydees. I know Miqhim kept a small herd of horses in Syria with the care of an agent.
Page 66 of the Hamdan herd book has El Gadaa as follows (quoted). No date is shown.


1.—EL GADAA
Stallion, chestnut, bred by Sheikh Midjhem Ibn Meheyd of the Fidaan Anazeh Bedouin Tribe of Arabia.

Presented to Ahmed Hamza as a gift by Gadaan Ibn Meheyd.

Sire: El Sabaa, a Koheilan el Mohssen, who raced successfully in Lebanon.
Dam: A Maanagiyah.

Both strains are staple Fad’aan strains,is there any reason not believe this information?

It is interesting to note that hypothetically if El Ghadaa was proposed to Al Khamsa and accepted by them as a roster horse

By Teymur


Thank you for the info. Anybody have more to add ?????
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