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> How To Breed A Nabiel Daughter?, your opinion on the best cross
QuintArab
post Feb 11 2010, 08:09 PM
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I was wondering if you could share your opinion of how you would cross a Nabiel daughter out of a Moniet El Sharaf daughter out of a Kayed daughter. I may have the opportunity to lease this mare and was wondering what the best lines to look for would be in the hopes for a filly for our breeding program...

I have liked this mare for a while, but I am not a huge fan of the Moniet El Sharaf lines at times...have seen some I like and some I don't.

Your thoughts?

Laurie
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post Feb 11 2010, 11:59 PM
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Laurie,

When I lived in the Wisconsin I remember when the Trapps leased El Halimaar and bred him to their group of gorgeous Nabiel daughters and the resullts were excellent, I saw many of this cross at the class A shows and just some pretty amazing horses of this cross.

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Cheryl L
post Feb 12 2010, 12:16 AM
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My friends visited Egypt many, many, many years ago. They had just bought a Nabiel son (now deceased) and Dr. Marsafi, told them to get Shaikh Al Badi daughters to breed to him. They did and were/still are with the results. Generations later and they are still fine looking horses.
You also need to know the strength and weaknesses of your mare and compare them to various stallions.
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post Feb 12 2010, 02:48 AM
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QUOTE (QuintArab @ Feb 11 2010, 09:09 PM) *
I was wondering if you could share your opinion of how you would cross a Nabiel daughter out of a Moniet El Sharaf daughter out of a Kayed daughter. I may have the opportunity to lease this mare and was wondering what the best lines to look for would be in the hopes for a filly for our breeding program...

I have liked this mare for a while, but I am not a huge fan of the Moniet El Sharaf lines at times...have seen some I like and some I don't.

Your thoughts?

Laurie


Check out Rancho Bulakenyo Jody Cruz is the breeder of El Halimaar and he has some nice stallions from halimaar at stud RDM Maar Hala bloodlines

here's an example of el halimaar bred to a Nabiel daughter SF Moon Maiden (out of Kachina Moon and sired by Nabiel ) her granddam is by El hilal http://www.ranchobulakenyo.com/kachinaMH.shtm

Halimaar son Jabbaar El Halimaar on a Nabiel daughter Moon Maiden and then Kachina MH has a full sister by halimaar as well

http://www.ranchobulakenyo.com/saharamoonMH.shtm
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post Feb 12 2010, 03:42 AM
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Cheryl,

I bet the Shaikh cross would be an excellent cross. I myself have a EL Halimaar dtr who is out of a Ansata Halim Shah dtr and although we have a young stallion, I sure would love one day in the near future love to breed her to Akid Geshan...I think that would be a SUPER cross.


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post Feb 12 2010, 04:15 AM
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Would be a big help if you could post some photos of your mare. But without having seen her, I would be cautious about breeding to a large stallion with a lot of substance. Nabiel lines can bring along a lot of pretty and type, Arabest Zamir is a good example of that. But Nabiel lines can also produce coarseness. Depends on what you are looking for. I would tend to gravitate to a refined stallion with some femininity about him. You might take a look at Mijan Al Kadaaar, owned by Mijan Arabians or REA
Kaream. Owned by Renaissance Arabians, One other is a young stallion owned by Equinox Arabians. His name is The Quiet Man. A very promising young colt that they will be standing for the first time this season. The last two are both sons of PVA Kariim. And both out of lovely mares. The best of luck in your breeding venture.
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post Feb 12 2010, 03:04 PM
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Hi Laurie,

I would imagine Bill Trapp would have the best advise for you of anyone. A call to him might be well worth your while.

I have also seen a few coarse, large horses by Nabiel, and also some very pretty, super moving get. I agree with the opinion above about breeding to a refined and possibly feminine, typey stallion. It just depends on your mare, and what characteristics she has. The Ansata horses available here in the US, like Qasim or Nile Echo, might give you what you need...but again, it all depends on your mare's strengths and weaknesses, and those of the stallion.

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post Feb 19 2010, 07:10 PM
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Thank you, everyone! These were some of the ideas I was thinking on. I am trying to narrow it down now, and have several special stallions in mind...keeping in mind also that the idea is to bring a filly back to my stallion, who is a Sterling Vision (Imperial Imdal X Nagda by Nabiel) son and out of a Richter daughter (so the El Halimaar will be there, too.)

It is great to have extra validation for some of my ideas, you were most helpful! smile.gif
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post Feb 21 2010, 03:07 AM
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QUOTE (QuintArab @ Feb 19 2010, 09:10 PM) *
Thank you, everyone! These were some of the ideas I was thinking on. I am trying to narrow it down now, and have several special stallions in mind...keeping in mind also that the idea is to bring a filly back to my stallion, who is a Sterling Vision (Imperial Imdal X Nagda by Nabiel) son and out of a Richter daughter (so the El Halimaar will be there, too.)

It is great to have extra validation for some of my ideas, you were most helpful! smile.gif


Hi, I vote with Billy--I saw the same successful cross that Bill Trapp made...El Halimaar on Nabiel daughters. Bill said that that cross was especially good for shortening the back. There was certainly lots of pretty as well as substance in the result. Lucky you to have a Sterling Vision son!

Also, it would not be a good idea to contact Bill or Pat Trapp as it was suggested...neither one is in good health these days.

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post Feb 21 2010, 03:37 AM
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Some additional thoughts...

Some of the Trapp's Nabiel daughters had Shaikh Al Badi on the dam line.

The other great cross they made on the Nabiel daughters was Akkhir (Amaal x Ana Gayeh)--tremendously powerful horses with incredible movement and very beautiful. Akkhir himself was very substantial but did not have an exotic head. Most of the horses from that cross were sold to South Africa.

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