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Gary Lee
post Jul 30 2011, 11:41 PM
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Hey everyone. It's been a while. Been checking out those Abayyan lines slowly and surely. But somewhere a while back someone brought up that one of the tail female lines wasn't straight egyptian (don't ask me which one, I don't remember). In my search for answers I've asked just exactly how do you know a horse is straight egyptian. Of course I could buy data source and just go through each horse one by one until I got my answers because if I remember correctly it lists on there that they are straight egyptian. But until that day comes I'd like to know how everyone else finds that information preferably online because I don't have any of the books. I've been on the Al Khamsa website but I recently read that even Al Khamsa won't tell you if a horse is straight egyptian.

Any information is greatly appreciated. Thank you in advance for your help. smile.gif
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Fairfax
post May 6 2012, 07:54 PM
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Liz..you are so tiresome with your on going trashing of the Otts and the Blue Star/Blue List program.

No one has ever held your hand to the fire and stated YOU MUST call your horses by any of the above Labels.

Since you are "on to some GBE TRUTH" here is another for you..GBE SOLD OUT Perios

She was paid $75,000 for her library which she kept. (now owned by the museum)) and her job was to discredit ALL lines other than Polish. That included so many of the Blunt horses..she picked away at the weak conformation of the Egyptian Breed lines and also brought into question THEIR purity.

She did NOT believe in ANY STRAIN...calling them a fabrication of the over active mind of Raswan, Ott, Forbit, Mashiek, Hensley and so on.

Her volume of work took every opoportunity to also discredit Polish lines NOT belonging to the PBA (Polish Breeders Association) of which Lasma was one of the founding members--they paid for her trips to Poland in exchange for EXCELLENT REVIEWS on the horses they purchased...they also paid for her library.


No one has ever started the Otts were perfect and most of us acknowledge that if Miss Jane was well, she would make corrections. They spent THEIR OWN MONEY to create the program

You...well....you most certainly have done nothing considerable. Of course Hansi and a couple of others will rush to your defence regarding your alleged program..and its excellencve...

I, like many others wait with "baited breath" for your show ring, eventning or even racing successes.

Leo
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post May 7 2012, 11:17 AM
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QUOTE (Fairfax @ May 6 2012, 09:54 PM) *
Liz..you are so tiresome with your on going trashing of the Otts and the Blue Star/Blue List program.

No one has ever held your hand to the fire and stated YOU MUST call your horses by any of the above Labels.

Since you are "on to some GBE TRUTH" here is another for you..GBE SOLD OUT Perios

She was paid $75,000 for her library which she kept. (now owned by the museum)) and her job was to discredit ALL lines other than Polish. That included so many of the Blunt horses..she picked away at the weak conformation of the Egyptian Breed lines and also brought into question THEIR purity.

She did NOT believe in ANY STRAIN...calling them a fabrication of the over active mind of Raswan, Ott, Forbit, Mashiek, Hensley and so on.

Her volume of work took every opoportunity to also discredit Polish lines NOT belonging to the PBA (Polish Breeders Association) of which Lasma was one of the founding members--they paid for her trips to Poland in exchange for EXCELLENT REVIEWS on the horses they purchased...they also paid for her library.


No one has ever started the Otts were perfect and most of us acknowledge that if Miss Jane was well, she would make corrections. They spent THEIR OWN MONEY to create the program

You...well....you most certainly have done nothing considerable. Of course Hansi and a couple of others will rush to your defence regarding your alleged program..and its excellencve...

I, like many others wait with "baited breath" for your show ring, eventning or even racing successes.

Leo



Hi Leo

I cant find a post here to which you refer to cutting Liz to pieces. I thought we all are entitled to our opinions which are not always that of others.
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I am glad you again give your knowledge of GBE. We were very good friends and I enjoyed her being our guest of honor in Ocala, Fl, years ago. Some of us do not have the knowledge you have regarding her library, etc.etc. all I know that I saw it under spider webs at the Ahra ARCHIVE IN 1994(1995), as others did in our Al Khamsa group. We were told, we are the only ones seeing this archive.

Gladis told Bill and me that she always wanted a real horse, only had a wooden rocking horses when very young. I found that most interesting. Cant remember this too well, but was it not you who said that she was rider,driver, or was it someone else. Please correct me if I am wrong.

Hansi
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post May 8 2012, 03:26 AM
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QUOTE (HLM @ May 7 2012, 01:17 PM) *
Hi Leo

I cant find a post here to which you refer to cutting Liz to pieces. I thought we all are entitled to our opinions which are not always that of others.
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I am glad you again give your knowledge of GBE. We were very good friends and I enjoyed her being our guest of honor in Ocala, Fl, years ago. Some of us do not have the knowledge you have regarding her library, etc.etc. all I know that I saw it under spider webs at the Ahra ARCHIVE IN 1994(1995), as others did in our Al Khamsa group. We were told, we are the only ones seeing this archive.

Gladis told Bill and me that she always wanted a real horse, only had a wooden rocking horses when very young. I found that most interesting. Cant remember this too well, but was it not you who said that she was rider,driver, or was it someone else. Please correct me if I am wrong.

Hansi


I sincerely hope that Leo has the correct information about GBE with regard to her background with horses. I personally find it disconcerting to think that someone who has had such an impact on the Arabian breed and as much influence on some Arabian horse breeders as GBE has, would never have owned a real, living horse. Quite disappointing, that thought.That's not to say that people who have not had personal experience with a subject cannot be qualified, through study and exposure to teach. On the other hand horses in general, but Arabian horses in particular, have such complex personalites, intellect and emotions -- and at least as much individuality as human beings, that I just have to believe that someone who has never owned an Arabian horse and cared for it could not have the benefit of a full out understanding of this breed.
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- Gary Lee   Maybe A Dumb Question.   Jul 30 2011, 11:41 PM
- - Nadj al Nur   Hi Gary........probably, the easiest thing for you...   Jul 31 2011, 06:20 AM
|- - Gary Lee   QUOTE (Nadj al Nur @ Jul 30 2011, 11:20 P...   Jul 31 2011, 07:27 AM
- - Nadj al Nur   QUOTE (Gary Lee @ Jul 31 2011, 12:27 AM) ...   Jul 31 2011, 08:06 AM
|- - Gary Lee   QUOTE (Nadj al Nur @ Jul 31 2011, 01:06 A...   Jul 31 2011, 03:31 PM
- - Cheryl L   The other 2 books that would be great to add to Th...   Jul 31 2011, 03:45 PM
- - Gary Lee   Thanks Cheryl, I'll add those too   Jul 31 2011, 03:57 PM
- - Nadj al Nur   QUOTE (Cheryl L @ Jul 31 2011, 08:45 AM) ...   Jul 31 2011, 03:57 PM
- - Gary Lee   Actually, thinking about it, I think I have all th...   Jul 31 2011, 04:02 PM
|- - Gary Lee   QUOTE (Gary Lee @ Jul 31 2011, 09:02 AM) ...   Jul 31 2011, 04:32 PM
- - Nadj al Nur   QUOTE (Gary Lee @ Jul 31 2011, 09:02 AM) ...   Jul 31 2011, 04:33 PM
|- - Dieter   QUOTE (Nadj al Nur @ Jul 31 2011, 12:33 P...   May 4 2012, 10:11 PM
|- - 2mntn   QUOTE (Dieter @ May 4 2012, 04:11 PM) Exc...   May 5 2012, 02:59 AM
|- - Dieter   QUOTE (2mntn @ May 4 2012, 10:59 PM) I ca...   May 5 2012, 11:56 PM
- - Cheryl L   Agreed on the Blue Star/List, it is that simple. ...   Jul 31 2011, 05:04 PM
- - Gary Lee   Well my search of the blue star/blue list informat...   Jul 31 2011, 05:30 PM
- - Nadj al Nur   QUOTE (Gary Lee @ Jul 31 2011, 10:30 AM) ...   Jul 31 2011, 05:59 PM
|- - Gary Lee   QUOTE (Nadj al Nur @ Jul 31 2011, 10:59 A...   Jul 31 2011, 06:13 PM
- - Nadj al Nur   Also.........Turfa is not officially listed as Abb...   Jul 31 2011, 06:04 PM
|- - Gary Lee   QUOTE (Nadj al Nur @ Jul 31 2011, 11:04 A...   Jul 31 2011, 06:15 PM
- - Gary Lee   That being said, I understand theirs controversy a...   Jul 31 2011, 06:16 PM
- - Nadj al Nur   That's what I mean...........conflicting evide...   Jul 31 2011, 06:22 PM
|- - Gary Lee   QUOTE (Nadj al Nur @ Jul 31 2011, 11:22 A...   Jul 31 2011, 06:30 PM
- - Nadj al Nur   QUOTE (Gary Lee @ Jul 31 2011, 11:30 AM) ...   Jul 31 2011, 07:22 PM
|- - Gary Lee   QUOTE (Nadj al Nur @ Jul 31 2011, 12:22 P...   Jul 31 2011, 07:25 PM
|- - DitaAlAnastasia   QUOTE (Gary Lee @ Jul 31 2011, 08:25 PM) ...   May 4 2012, 01:07 PM
|- - Caryn Rogosky   QUOTE (DitaAlAnastasia @ May 4 2012, 03:0...   May 8 2012, 03:42 AM
- - SKM   I recommend looking up all the references to Turfa...   May 5 2012, 02:22 PM
- - karin   Very interesting topic this. Thank you for sharin...   May 5 2012, 07:04 PM
|- - Dieter   QUOTE (HLM @ May 7 2012, 07:17 AM) Hi Leo...   May 7 2012, 12:47 PM
||- - HLM   QUOTE (Dieter @ May 7 2012, 02:47 PM) Hi ...   May 7 2012, 12:58 PM
|- - M.D.   QUOTE (Caryn Rogosky @ May 8 2012, 04:26 ...   May 8 2012, 06:13 AM
- - Fairfax   GBE wrote the book standard on Wire Haired Terrier...   May 8 2012, 01:05 AM
- - Fairfax   My information regarding GBE is correct and was c...   May 8 2012, 02:36 PM
|- - Caryn Rogosky   QUOTE (Fairfax @ May 8 2012, 04:36 PM) My...   May 8 2012, 03:02 PM
|- - HLM   QUOTE (Fairfax @ May 8 2012, 03:36 PM) My...   May 8 2012, 03:27 PM
|- - Dieter   QUOTE (HLM @ May 8 2012, 11:27 AM) I thin...   May 9 2012, 01:53 AM
|- - Fairfax   QUOTE (Dieter @ May 9 2012, 02:53 AM) Dea...   May 9 2012, 02:39 AM
|- - HLM   QUOTE (Fairfax @ May 9 2012, 04:39 AM) I ...   May 9 2012, 01:45 PM
|- - Caryn Rogosky   QUOTE (HLM @ May 9 2012, 03:45 PM) Unless...   May 9 2012, 02:26 PM
||- - HLM   QUOTE (Caryn Rogosky @ May 9 2012, 04:26 ...   May 9 2012, 02:56 PM
|- - Dieter   QUOTE (HLM @ May 9 2012, 09:45 AM) (snipp...   May 9 2012, 04:10 PM
|- - Caryn Rogosky   This is a bit confusing. According to Hansi, GBE n...   May 9 2012, 07:06 PM
- - Fairfax   My involvement with S.E. is actually traced to two...   May 8 2012, 05:41 PM
|- - HLM   QUOTE (Fairfax @ May 8 2012, 07:41 PM) My...   May 8 2012, 06:34 PM
- - Fairfax   Hansi I am SHOCKED that you, of all people, would...   May 8 2012, 07:27 PM
|- - HLM   QUOTE (Fairfax @ May 8 2012, 09:27 PM) Ha...   May 9 2012, 05:35 PM
- - Fairfax   P.S. Eleanor owned Ibn Mirage and crossed him on t...   May 8 2012, 07:29 PM
- - Nadj al Nur   here is a link to Liz' Facebook group for you ...   May 8 2012, 09:40 PM
|- - Caryn Rogosky   QUOTE (Nadj al Nur @ May 8 2012, 11:40 PM...   May 9 2012, 02:06 AM
- - Fairfax   Liz Dieter updated the description. This group has...   May 8 2012, 09:58 PM
|- - Caryn Rogosky   QUOTE (Fairfax @ May 8 2012, 10:58 PM) Li...   May 9 2012, 01:29 AM
- - MHuprich   QUOTE (HLM @ May 8 2012, 02:34 PM) ... We...   May 8 2012, 10:07 PM
|- - Caryn Rogosky   QUOTE (MHuprich @ May 8 2012, 11:07 PM) S...   May 9 2012, 01:24 AM
- - Fairfax   I did have a Blue Star and a Straight Egyptian sta...   May 9 2012, 03:04 PM
|- - HLM   QUOTE (Fairfax @ May 9 2012, 04:04 PM) I ...   May 9 2012, 05:05 PM
- - Fairfax   Hansi These are the posts by Liz on the Facebook ...   May 9 2012, 03:10 PM
|- - HLM   QUOTE (Fairfax @ May 9 2012, 04:10 PM) Ha...   May 9 2012, 05:00 PM
- - karin   I think this topic is now really OFF TOPIC. Kari...   May 9 2012, 06:14 PM
|- - HLM   QUOTE (karin @ May 9 2012, 07:14 PM) I th...   May 9 2012, 06:39 PM
- - jerelkerby   Please let's stay civil, together and yet open...   May 9 2012, 07:22 PM
|- - Dieter   QUOTE (jerelkerby @ May 9 2012, 03:22 PM)...   May 9 2012, 10:01 PM
- - Seglawiyat   I would be happy to sit down and have a soda Jerel...   May 9 2012, 10:20 PM
- - Fairfax   Fast points as it should stay on topic Char Rabda...   May 9 2012, 10:42 PM
- - HLM   QUOTE (Fairfax @ May 9 2012, 11:42 PM) Fa...   May 9 2012, 11:37 PM


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