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Gary Lee
post Jul 30 2011, 11:41 PM
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Hey everyone. It's been a while. Been checking out those Abayyan lines slowly and surely. But somewhere a while back someone brought up that one of the tail female lines wasn't straight egyptian (don't ask me which one, I don't remember). In my search for answers I've asked just exactly how do you know a horse is straight egyptian. Of course I could buy data source and just go through each horse one by one until I got my answers because if I remember correctly it lists on there that they are straight egyptian. But until that day comes I'd like to know how everyone else finds that information preferably online because I don't have any of the books. I've been on the Al Khamsa website but I recently read that even Al Khamsa won't tell you if a horse is straight egyptian.

Any information is greatly appreciated. Thank you in advance for your help. smile.gif
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Fairfax
post May 9 2012, 03:04 PM
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I did have a Blue Star and a Straight Egyptian stay with me for a couple of years. One mare, the S,E, was from Verna..she could not take her to the states and kept her with me.

Over the years I was fortunate to see so many of the great imports and I have chastised myself for not breeding to Soufian. The Manteis had wonderful horses...however they did not really breed straight Egyptian much either.

I did venture over to the website of Liz (she listed her farm name). She obviously produces for loving homes and trail use. That is great. Why couldn't she have stated that a long time ago.

Your contact who claimed he was there when they shot the horses was just wrong. That never happened. They did shoot horses when accidents happened. They also did shoot a mare when the euthanization did not work. But your emotionally disturbed Mr. Sheets Jr. did not witness anything that he subscribed to you.

I did state that they did shoot mares of when it was obvious they would be used (bred to terrible stallions) in an attempt to discredit the program.These were NOT mares Otts had bred..but they did end up owning them.

Liz can be as unhappt as she wants..that is HER decision.

You speak about attacks. Hansi...I don't think you want to go there. You have, on more than one occasion, attacked others who disagreed with you and then requested they be banned and the thread locked.

How inclusive is that?

I fail to understand why you refuse to believe what Liz has printed. On Facebook...we have given you HER quotes. They are there for the world to see. Please open your eyes and do not be blinded by your attempt to defend her.

Liz is and has been very free to say she would not follow the Blue Star program...which would then include the Blue List program. However, for someone who denouces Straight Anything...and advocates breeding a dogs breakfast pedigree, I find it amusing that she proudly presents her horses, on her web site as STRAIGHT EGYPTIAN.

If she does not believe in any labels...breed the best to the best...don't preserve anything...why would she want to advertise her horses are part of a preservation breeding program.

I find those, who cry victim hood, are usually the bullies. They are the ones who want to deflect the attention away from themselves (bait and switch) and create a problem for others.

When confronted they cry I AM A VICTIM...we see it every day in the courts and in politics. The environmental movement is plagued with it.

Liz..if you read her posts...is often ON THE ATTACK...against those who disagree with you, The Otts, Raswan...or any one else she does not like. I would say that Liz is the person you are describing.

Whether or not you will read and decide to accept what Liz has stated as her agenda regarding the Anti Preservation Breeding Group on Facebook is your decision.

If you refuse to accept HER porinted word...why should anyone accept yours?

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post May 9 2012, 05:05 PM
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QUOTE (Fairfax @ May 9 2012, 04:04 PM) *
I did have a Blue Star and a Straight Egyptian stay with me for a couple of years. One mare, the S,E, was from Verna..she could not take her to the states and kept her with me.

Over the years I was fortunate to see so many of the great imports and I have chastised myself for not breeding to Soufian. The Manteis had wonderful horses...however they did not really breed straight Egyptian much either.

I did venture over to the website of Liz (she listed her farm name). She obviously produces for loving homes and trail use. That is great. Why couldn't she have stated that a long time ago.

Your contact who claimed he was there when they shot the horses was just wrong. That never happened. They did shoot horses when accidents happened. They also did shoot a mare when the euthanization did not work. But your emotionally disturbed Mr. Sheets Jr. did not witness anything that he subscribed to you.

I did state that they did shoot mares of when it was obvious they would be used (bred to terrible stallions) in an attempt to discredit the program.These were NOT mares Otts had bred..but they did end up owning them.

Liz can be as unhappt as she wants..that is HER decision.

You speak about attacks. Hansi...I don't think you want to go there. You have, on more than one occasion, attacked others who disagreed with you and then requested they be banned and the thread locked.

How inclusive is that?

I fail to understand why you refuse to believe what Liz has printed. On Facebook...we have given you HER quotes. They are there for the world to see. Please open your eyes and do not be blinded by your attempt to defend her.

Liz is and has been very free to say she would not follow the Blue Star program...which would then include the Blue List program. However, for someone who denouces Straight Anything...and advocates breeding a dogs breakfast pedigree, I find it amusing that she proudly presents her horses, on her web site as STRAIGHT EGYPTIAN.

If she does not believe in any labels...breed the best to the best...don't preserve anything...why would she want to advertise her horses are part of a preservation breeding program.

I find those, who cry victim hood, are usually the bullies. They are the ones who want to deflect the attention away from themselves (bait and switch) and create a problem for others.

When confronted they cry I AM A VICTIM...we see it every day in the courts and in politics. The environmental movement is plagued with it.

Liz..if you read her posts...is often ON THE ATTACK...against those who disagree with you, The Otts, Raswan...or any one else she does not like. I would say that Liz is the person you are describing.

Whether or not you will read and decide to accept what Liz has stated as her agenda regarding the Anti Preservation Breeding Group on Facebook is your decision.

If you refuse to accept HER porinted word...why should anyone accept yours?



Leo, do you remember which SE mare you got from Verna? The only one I know of was Serenity Mashoura, who broke her legs and was destroyed as a 2year old. I think she might have had an Asil mare. I stand corrected if you explain please.

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Hansi

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- Gary Lee   Maybe A Dumb Question.   Jul 30 2011, 11:41 PM
- - Nadj al Nur   Hi Gary........probably, the easiest thing for you...   Jul 31 2011, 06:20 AM
|- - Gary Lee   QUOTE (Nadj al Nur @ Jul 30 2011, 11:20 P...   Jul 31 2011, 07:27 AM
- - Nadj al Nur   QUOTE (Gary Lee @ Jul 31 2011, 12:27 AM) ...   Jul 31 2011, 08:06 AM
|- - Gary Lee   QUOTE (Nadj al Nur @ Jul 31 2011, 01:06 A...   Jul 31 2011, 03:31 PM
- - Cheryl L   The other 2 books that would be great to add to Th...   Jul 31 2011, 03:45 PM
- - Gary Lee   Thanks Cheryl, I'll add those too   Jul 31 2011, 03:57 PM
- - Nadj al Nur   QUOTE (Cheryl L @ Jul 31 2011, 08:45 AM) ...   Jul 31 2011, 03:57 PM
- - Gary Lee   Actually, thinking about it, I think I have all th...   Jul 31 2011, 04:02 PM
|- - Gary Lee   QUOTE (Gary Lee @ Jul 31 2011, 09:02 AM) ...   Jul 31 2011, 04:32 PM
- - Nadj al Nur   QUOTE (Gary Lee @ Jul 31 2011, 09:02 AM) ...   Jul 31 2011, 04:33 PM
|- - Dieter   QUOTE (Nadj al Nur @ Jul 31 2011, 12:33 P...   May 4 2012, 10:11 PM
|- - 2mntn   QUOTE (Dieter @ May 4 2012, 04:11 PM) Exc...   May 5 2012, 02:59 AM
|- - Dieter   QUOTE (2mntn @ May 4 2012, 10:59 PM) I ca...   May 5 2012, 11:56 PM
- - Cheryl L   Agreed on the Blue Star/List, it is that simple. ...   Jul 31 2011, 05:04 PM
- - Gary Lee   Well my search of the blue star/blue list informat...   Jul 31 2011, 05:30 PM
- - Nadj al Nur   QUOTE (Gary Lee @ Jul 31 2011, 10:30 AM) ...   Jul 31 2011, 05:59 PM
|- - Gary Lee   QUOTE (Nadj al Nur @ Jul 31 2011, 10:59 A...   Jul 31 2011, 06:13 PM
- - Nadj al Nur   Also.........Turfa is not officially listed as Abb...   Jul 31 2011, 06:04 PM
|- - Gary Lee   QUOTE (Nadj al Nur @ Jul 31 2011, 11:04 A...   Jul 31 2011, 06:15 PM
- - Gary Lee   That being said, I understand theirs controversy a...   Jul 31 2011, 06:16 PM
- - Nadj al Nur   That's what I mean...........conflicting evide...   Jul 31 2011, 06:22 PM
|- - Gary Lee   QUOTE (Nadj al Nur @ Jul 31 2011, 11:22 A...   Jul 31 2011, 06:30 PM
- - Nadj al Nur   QUOTE (Gary Lee @ Jul 31 2011, 11:30 AM) ...   Jul 31 2011, 07:22 PM
|- - Gary Lee   QUOTE (Nadj al Nur @ Jul 31 2011, 12:22 P...   Jul 31 2011, 07:25 PM
|- - DitaAlAnastasia   QUOTE (Gary Lee @ Jul 31 2011, 08:25 PM) ...   May 4 2012, 01:07 PM
|- - Caryn Rogosky   QUOTE (DitaAlAnastasia @ May 4 2012, 03:0...   May 8 2012, 03:42 AM
- - SKM   I recommend looking up all the references to Turfa...   May 5 2012, 02:22 PM
- - karin   Very interesting topic this. Thank you for sharin...   May 5 2012, 07:04 PM
- - Fairfax   Liz..you are so tiresome with your on going trashi...   May 6 2012, 07:54 PM
|- - HLM   QUOTE (Fairfax @ May 6 2012, 09:54 PM) Li...   May 7 2012, 11:17 AM
|- - Dieter   QUOTE (HLM @ May 7 2012, 07:17 AM) Hi Leo...   May 7 2012, 12:47 PM
||- - HLM   QUOTE (Dieter @ May 7 2012, 02:47 PM) Hi ...   May 7 2012, 12:58 PM
|- - Caryn Rogosky   QUOTE (HLM @ May 7 2012, 01:17 PM) Hi Leo...   May 8 2012, 03:26 AM
|- - M.D.   QUOTE (Caryn Rogosky @ May 8 2012, 04:26 ...   May 8 2012, 06:13 AM
- - Fairfax   GBE wrote the book standard on Wire Haired Terrier...   May 8 2012, 01:05 AM
- - Fairfax   My information regarding GBE is correct and was c...   May 8 2012, 02:36 PM
|- - Caryn Rogosky   QUOTE (Fairfax @ May 8 2012, 04:36 PM) My...   May 8 2012, 03:02 PM
|- - HLM   QUOTE (Fairfax @ May 8 2012, 03:36 PM) My...   May 8 2012, 03:27 PM
|- - Dieter   QUOTE (HLM @ May 8 2012, 11:27 AM) I thin...   May 9 2012, 01:53 AM
|- - Fairfax   QUOTE (Dieter @ May 9 2012, 02:53 AM) Dea...   May 9 2012, 02:39 AM
|- - HLM   QUOTE (Fairfax @ May 9 2012, 04:39 AM) I ...   May 9 2012, 01:45 PM
|- - Caryn Rogosky   QUOTE (HLM @ May 9 2012, 03:45 PM) Unless...   May 9 2012, 02:26 PM
||- - HLM   QUOTE (Caryn Rogosky @ May 9 2012, 04:26 ...   May 9 2012, 02:56 PM
|- - Dieter   QUOTE (HLM @ May 9 2012, 09:45 AM) (snipp...   May 9 2012, 04:10 PM
|- - Caryn Rogosky   This is a bit confusing. According to Hansi, GBE n...   May 9 2012, 07:06 PM
- - Fairfax   My involvement with S.E. is actually traced to two...   May 8 2012, 05:41 PM
|- - HLM   QUOTE (Fairfax @ May 8 2012, 07:41 PM) My...   May 8 2012, 06:34 PM
- - Fairfax   Hansi I am SHOCKED that you, of all people, would...   May 8 2012, 07:27 PM
|- - HLM   QUOTE (Fairfax @ May 8 2012, 09:27 PM) Ha...   May 9 2012, 05:35 PM
- - Fairfax   P.S. Eleanor owned Ibn Mirage and crossed him on t...   May 8 2012, 07:29 PM
- - Nadj al Nur   here is a link to Liz' Facebook group for you ...   May 8 2012, 09:40 PM
|- - Caryn Rogosky   QUOTE (Nadj al Nur @ May 8 2012, 11:40 PM...   May 9 2012, 02:06 AM
- - Fairfax   Liz Dieter updated the description. This group has...   May 8 2012, 09:58 PM
|- - Caryn Rogosky   QUOTE (Fairfax @ May 8 2012, 10:58 PM) Li...   May 9 2012, 01:29 AM
- - MHuprich   QUOTE (HLM @ May 8 2012, 02:34 PM) ... We...   May 8 2012, 10:07 PM
|- - Caryn Rogosky   QUOTE (MHuprich @ May 8 2012, 11:07 PM) S...   May 9 2012, 01:24 AM
- - Fairfax   Hansi These are the posts by Liz on the Facebook ...   May 9 2012, 03:10 PM
|- - HLM   QUOTE (Fairfax @ May 9 2012, 04:10 PM) Ha...   May 9 2012, 05:00 PM
- - karin   I think this topic is now really OFF TOPIC. Kari...   May 9 2012, 06:14 PM
|- - HLM   QUOTE (karin @ May 9 2012, 07:14 PM) I th...   May 9 2012, 06:39 PM
- - jerelkerby   Please let's stay civil, together and yet open...   May 9 2012, 07:22 PM
|- - Dieter   QUOTE (jerelkerby @ May 9 2012, 03:22 PM)...   May 9 2012, 10:01 PM
- - Seglawiyat   I would be happy to sit down and have a soda Jerel...   May 9 2012, 10:20 PM
- - Fairfax   Fast points as it should stay on topic Char Rabda...   May 9 2012, 10:42 PM
- - HLM   QUOTE (Fairfax @ May 9 2012, 11:42 PM) Fa...   May 9 2012, 11:37 PM


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