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diamondsstables
post Mar 8 2012, 09:29 AM
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I would appriciate your advice in selecting the wright stallion for my mare Gracey Bint Eternety-D

Sire: Eternety ibn Navarrone ( Ansata Sinan US x Navarrone-P)
Dam: Miss Navarrone ( Sanadik el Shaklan x Navarrone-P)

Thanks to everybody who can help!!!!!
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post Mar 8 2012, 10:00 AM
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QUOTE (diamondsstables @ Mar 8 2012, 01:29 AM) *
I would appriciate your advice in selecting the wright stallion for my mare Gracey Bint Eternety-D

Sire: Eternety ibn Navarrone ( Ansata Sinan US x Navarrone-P)
Dam: Miss Navarrone ( Sanadik el Shaklan x Navarrone-P)

Thanks to everybody who can help!!!!!

I don't think anybody can really do that without seeing your mare and knowing what you want in the foal and all of that sort of thing...............
Cathy
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post Mar 8 2012, 01:43 PM
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QUOTE (diamondsstables @ Mar 8 2012, 11:29 AM) *
I would appriciate your advice in selecting the wright stallion for my mare Gracey Bint Eternety-D

Sire: Eternety ibn Navarrone ( Ansata Sinan US x Navarrone-P)
Dam: Miss Navarrone ( Sanadik el Shaklan x Navarrone-P)

Thanks to everybody who can help!!!!!



I always feel that asking a public opinion could be dangerous, unless someone actually saw both horses, sire and dam, and the horse to be mated, unless someone amongst us has such information.

the best thing for you is to have an expert and/or your on veterinarian look at the horses and give their opinion

Take care and thanks for asking
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post Mar 8 2012, 02:52 PM
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Need to see multiple photos or video of both sire and dam and full pedigrees on sire and dam.

Also photos or video of foals produced by both sire and dam.

Not only do you need to see if the pedigree on paper matches the horse in front of you, but does the pedigree AND horse produce like both say they should?

If we just see pedigrees and not the additional materials, all we can tell you is what you "might" get based on what we think the horses should look like in our minds eye based on their pedigree.
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post Mar 9 2012, 11:03 AM
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QUOTE (mckulley1 @ Mar 8 2012, 03:52 PM) *
Need to see multiple photos or video of both sire and dam and full pedigrees on sire and dam.

Also photos or video of foals produced by both sire and dam.

Not only do you need to see if the pedigree on paper matches the horse in front of you, but does the pedigree AND horse produce like both say they should?

If we just see pedigrees and not the additional materials, all we can tell you is what you "might" get based on what we think the horses should look like in our minds eye based on their pedigree.



I'm a little surprised that you ask me for photo's and video off Eternety ibn Navarrone-D ( half brother off escape ibn navarrone, both world champions!!!) I thought everybody would know this stallion and his offspring.

I will also add a picture off Miss Navarrone .

I don't have photo's off our Gracey, buth will try to make some this weekend.

More info off sire ,dam and offspring you find on the website off dion arabians: http://www.arabiansdespeghel.com



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post Mar 9 2012, 11:07 AM
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QUOTE (diamondsstables @ Mar 9 2012, 12:03 PM) *
I'm a little surprised that you ask me for photo's and video off Eternety ibn Navarrone-D ( half brother off escape ibn navarrone, both world champions!!!) I thought everybody would know this stallion and his offspring.

I will also add a picture off Miss Navarrone .

I don't have photo's off our Gracey, buth will try to make some this weekend.

More info off sire ,dam and offspring you find on the website off dion arabians: http://www.arabiansdespeghel.com


I don't want to be ungreatfull, so thanks to everybody for their reply's!!!!!
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post Mar 9 2012, 11:10 AM
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QUOTE (mckulley1 @ Mar 8 2012, 03:52 PM) *
Need to see multiple photos or video of both sire and dam and full pedigrees on sire and dam.

Also photos or video of foals produced by both sire and dam.

Not only do you need to see if the pedigree on paper matches the horse in front of you, but does the pedigree AND horse produce like both say they should?

If we just see pedigrees and not the additional materials, all we can tell you is what you "might" get based on what we think the horses should look like in our minds eye based on their pedigree.



Her full pedigrree you find on: http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/gracey+bint+eternity-d

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post Mar 9 2012, 11:14 AM
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QUOTE (Nadj al Nur @ Mar 8 2012, 11:00 AM) *
I don't think anybody can really do that without seeing your mare and knowing what you want in the foal and all of that sort of thing...............
Cathy



Gracey is a greath mover and has lots off attitude, she's a very compact horse.

What I would like to improve is : - more size, longer neck, and more dish and refinement.

Hope this can help!!!!
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post Mar 9 2012, 12:51 PM
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What a great pedigree!
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post Mar 9 2012, 01:01 PM
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QUOTE (MHuprich @ Mar 9 2012, 01:51 PM) *
What a great pedigree!


Thanks!!!
I know I'm not a specialist, and that's why I would like some help/advice to make the wright choice if I breed with her!!!!
I think it's a waist off time and energy to breed this mare to just any stallion!!!

although I don't want to spend big money!!!!!!!!
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post Mar 9 2012, 09:34 PM
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Wow what a great pedigree, seems to me to be a very strong pedigree, as well.

I don't know any stallions where you live, but I would be looking at similar crossing (Ansata, El Shaklan type) by maybe from different lines. You would have to do a bit of research, but I know there are a few around, even if you had to import semen. Be looking at stallions at least as pretty as your mare, similar build and stronger where she is weak in conformation. Of the stallion you choose, have a look at the mares and his foals and see what he produces with what, even if you can only do so via videos. It doesn't have to be many because this will take up too much money.

Otherwise, go for a complete cross and try a Polish stallion to compliment the strength and ridability in her pedigree. I think it is a family that could do well in endurance riding.
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post Mar 10 2012, 03:23 AM
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You are asking for a lot of fixing....more size, longer neck, head type, and refinement.

My suggestion is if you need that much work on a mare, find a different mare. Foals are usually a good 65% reflection of their dam, so if you don't love the dam from head to toe, you won't love the foal...that is unless the mare does not produce herself....which there are certainly those mares who break the rule.

IMO stallions who fix bodies usually do mediocre work fixing heads. And stallions who do incredible things with heads usually do mediocre work for fixing bodies. That is why it is, IMO, most important to have a mare with correction conformation, body, and at least half of the type you desire, also having those things locked into several generations in her pedigree, so you can pursue stallions who add more type to the head, with out sacrificing body/conformation.

It is always easier to create more type in the face in one generation, but once conformation, legs, and feet have been messed up, it is much more difficult to correct those issues in one generation.
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post Mar 10 2012, 03:48 AM
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QUOTE (mckulley1 @ Mar 9 2012, 07:23 PM) *
You are asking for a lot of fixing....more size, longer neck, head type, and refinement.

My suggestion is if you need that much work on a mare, find a different mare. Foals are usually a good 65% reflection of their dam, so if you don't love the dam from head to toe, you won't love the foal...that is unless the mare does not produce herself....which there are certainly those mares who break the rule.

IMO stallions who fix bodies usually do mediocre work fixing heads. And stallions who do incredible things with heads usually do mediocre work for fixing bodies. That is why it is, IMO, most important to have a mare with correction conformation, body, and at least half of the type you desire, also having those things locked into several generations in her pedigree, so you can pursue stallions who add more type to the head, with out sacrificing body/conformation.

It is always easier to create more type in the face in one generation, but once conformation, legs, and feet have been messed up, it is much more difficult to correct those issues in one generation.

Good advice Amanda. My suggestion would be to find a breeder close to you, who's breeding and ethics you admire, and ask them their opinion, and learn as much as you can from them. Most of us here do not know what stallions you have available to you and all that sort of thing, while somebody closer who is a good breeder would know more..
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post Mar 10 2012, 05:14 AM
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QUOTE (diamondsstables @ Mar 9 2012, 04:14 AM) *
Gracey is a greath mover and has lots off attitude, she's a very compact horse.

What I would like to improve is : - more size, longer neck, and more dish and refinement.

Hope this can help!!!!


Interesting suggestions you are getting. I'd say your mare is probably fine like she is. I don't know how you personally define more size, longer neck, more dish and refinement, but I'm thinking that she has plenty of what you're looking for in her pedigree. I would suggest rewording your "wish list" by removing the word "improve" and replace it with "change". I think what you want is to bring these characteristics out in her foals. I might look to either her Egyptian background or her Spanish background in finding a mate for her. A Spanish stallion like El Perfecto, for instance, could bring out everything you're looking for. Same thing for the Egyptian stallion, Mishaali RCA.

p.s. forget about the "more dish" - it is an unworthy goal to pursue. smile.gif
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post Mar 10 2012, 03:24 PM
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QUOTE (mckulley1 @ Mar 10 2012, 04:23 AM) *
You are asking for a lot of fixing....more size, longer neck, head type, and refinement.

My suggestion is if you need that much work on a mare, find a different mare. Foals are usually a good 65% reflection of their dam, so if you don't love the dam from head to toe, you won't love the foal...that is unless the mare does not produce herself....which there are certainly those mares who break the rule.

IMO stallions who fix bodies usually do mediocre work fixing heads. And stallions who do incredible things with heads usually do mediocre work for fixing bodies. That is why it is, IMO, most important to have a mare with correction conformation, body, and at least half of the type you desire, also having those things locked into several generations in her pedigree, so you can pursue stallions who add more type to the head, with out sacrificing body/conformation.

It is always easier to create more type in the face in one generation, but once conformation, legs, and feet have been messed up, it is much more difficult to correct those issues in one generation.

It's not that I don't like the mare. Maybe I like her too much. Buth even a good horse can be improved.

A perfect horse doesn't exist!!!!!!!!!!
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