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Caryn Rogosky
post Jul 21 2012, 03:41 AM
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QUOTE (alythlong @ Jul 21 2012, 05:36 AM) *
Caryn - what is the issue with Kars? You can pm me or start a fresh thread if you prefer. Thank you.


Hi Alyth -- I'm not going to post on the topic here, but I will be glad to explain for you privately or elsewhere. I'm going to have house company for the next few days, and have to go through my files to pull out the posts, but if you will be patient with me I will get it too you shortly. Is that okay?
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post Jul 21 2012, 04:09 AM
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QUOTE (alythlong @ Jul 20 2012, 09:36 PM) *
Caryn - what is the issue with Kars? You can pm me or start a fresh thread if you prefer. Thank you.


Briefly, and from "off-the-cuff", Kars, like all the original Blunt horses (such as Rodania) was desert-bred and was never in Egypt. Blunts bought him and took him to Crabbet Some of his offspring were selected by the RAS to help restart their pure-bred program. The colts they imported did not leave any recorded offspring in Egypt - that we know of. These colts by Kars, and some other horses, were specificallly eliminated from TPS definition of what they decided could be "straight Egyptian". Rose of Jericho, sired by Kars and out of Rodania, was one of the very best mares ever produced by Blunts (in my opinion). However, TPS was willing to cut the desert-bred Kars, selected by Blunts and whose offspring were selected by the Egyptians at the RAS for their program. Forbis and company at TPS would not reconsider allowing Kars, and thus Rabanna, when asked to do so by Richard and Hansi. So we have a Blunt desert-bred of impeccable pedigree being disallowed while a mare of questionable pedigree is allowed. That is the political game, rather than the practical sense game.
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post Jul 21 2012, 05:47 AM
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QUOTE (Caryn Rogosky @ Jul 21 2012, 05:41 AM) *
Hi Alyth -- I'm not going to post on the topic here, but I will be glad to explain for you privately or elsewhere. I'm going to have house company for the next few days, and have to go through my files to pull out the posts, but if you will be patient with me I will get it too you shortly. Is that okay?


Thank you Caryn, I appreciate that.
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post Jul 21 2012, 05:50 AM
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QUOTE (2mntn @ Jul 21 2012, 06:09 AM) *
Briefly, and from "off-the-cuff", Kars, like all the original Blunt horses (such as Rodania) was desert-bred and was never in Egypt. Blunts bought him and took him to Crabbet Some of his offspring were selected by the RAS to help restart their pure-bred program. The colts they imported did not leave any recorded offspring in Egypt - that we know of. These colts by Kars, and some other horses, were specificallly eliminated from TPS definition of what they decided could be "straight Egyptian". Rose of Jericho, sired by Kars and out of Rodania, was one of the very best mares ever produced by Blunts (in my opinion). However, TPS was willing to cut the desert-bred Kars, selected by Blunts and whose offspring were selected by the Egyptians at the RAS for their program. Forbis and company at TPS would not reconsider allowing Kars, and thus Rabanna, when asked to do so by Richard and Hansi. So we have a Blunt desert-bred of impeccable pedigree being disallowed while a mare of questionable pedigree is allowed. That is the political game, rather than the practical sense game.


Thank you Ray.
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post Jul 21 2012, 12:57 PM
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Alyth, Caryn's been blocked from posting here anymore but I'm sure she can answer your question on facebook.
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post Jul 21 2012, 01:45 PM
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No Bailey, she was asked to remove herself from making false/misleading statements. She responded by requesting to be removed as a contributor to the forum. She made the statement she has no desire to post here further.

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post Jul 22 2012, 11:48 AM
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QUOTE (Caryn Rogosky @ Jul 21 2012, 05:41 AM) *
Hi Alyth -- I'm not going to post on the topic here, but I will be glad to explain for you privately or elsewhere. I'm going to have house company for the next few days, and have to go through my files to pull out the posts, but if you will be patient with me I will get it too you shortly. Is that okay?

Caryn, This is a open forum, you can post what your explanation is of Kars, sooner or later it will come back to this forum, it will save you from giving all those lenghtly explanations as to ...she said,,, I only said... but didn't mean.
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post Jul 22 2012, 12:02 PM
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QUOTE (Robert 1 @ Jul 22 2012, 11:48 AM) *
Caryn, This is a open forum, you can post what your explanation is of Kars, sooner or later it will come back to this forum, it will save you from giving all those lenghtly explanations as to ...she said,,, I only said... but didn't mean.


...and here comes the expected crying and whining. The tear stained shirts and the begging and the howling..all the salt and grime flowing from wet cheeks.. I am getting so tired of watching these charades by supposedly grown peeps.... Let me tell you something. This is worse than Craigslist.org forums. At least they are not lying. Du Weichei, Du. Schlappi. Schaem Dich, ja ?
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post Jul 22 2012, 01:01 PM
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Let's see if I am allowed to post. Yesterday and the days before, I was not. Thank you moderator for making whatever change that permits me here. I hope any of you who have been following this discussion and have real questions about the value of preservation breeding will go to the sites of the respective preservation groups before making a decision about whether preservation breeding is worthwhile. These sites include www.alkhamsa.org, www.pyramidsociety.org, www.asilclub.org, www.davenporthorses.org, www.bluearabianhorsecatalog.org. There are other groups no doubt, these are the ones that come to mind. Then one would learn a lot by scouring the WAHO website and the website of AHA.
Then please look at and study the Arabian horses of the world, visit farms, go to shows, attend conventions and seminars and winnow the animals down to the ones that set your hair on fire, study their pedigrees and select animals for your breeding program. If these fall within a preservation program that is great, if they do not, then you still are true to yourself. At this point it would be a help to meet and talk with supporters of whatever program you are choosing to put together. Some you will like, others not. No breeder can operate successfully in a vacuum however, a network of like minded people makes the whole process easier and more enjoyable, it saves time and mistakes as well. Ask yourself what disciplines you want to participate in and breed horses for. When winter comes, have a stack of books that you can read about Arabian horses.
Most folks who fall in love with the Arabian horse are inspired by some event, some experience, some vision. Perhaps this comes from a book series like those of Walter Farley's "The Black Stallion". Some folks are mentored by a relative or neighbor. Some folks have been inspired by the legends of the Arabian horse and the Bedouin tribes who created them.
Bottom line to me is that ALL roads lead to the Arabian horse, we should celebrate this, we should cherish it. We have the rare privilege of living in a time when most everyone can own and ride an Arabian horse no matter it's breeding.
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post Jul 22 2012, 03:02 PM
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QUOTE (M.D. @ Jul 22 2012, 06:02 AM) *
...and here comes the expected crying and whining. The tear stained shirts and the begging and the howling..all the salt and grime flowing from wet cheeks.. I am getting so tired of watching these charades by supposedly grown peeps.... Let me tell you something. This is worse than Craigslist.org forums. At least they are not lying. Du Weichei, Du. Schlappi. Schaem Dich, ja ?


"I was feelin' . . . so bad,
I asked my family doctor just what I had,
I said, "Doctor, . . .
Mr. M.D., . . .
Now can you tell me, tell me, tell me,
What's ailin' me?" (Good Lovin' - The Young Rascals) smile.gif
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post Jul 22 2012, 03:53 PM
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QUOTE (2mntn @ Jul 22 2012, 03:02 PM) *
"I was feelin' . . . so bad,
I asked my family doctor just what I had,
I said, "Doctor, . . .
Mr. M.D., . . .
Now can you tell me, tell me, tell me,
What's ailin' me?" (Good Lovin' - The Young Rascals) smile.gif


Are you feeling bad ? Poor thing you. Eat some muesli. The horses like it, too. Or fried potatoes with onions. It will make you feel much better. Some organic tea ? Pitch your tent out by the barn and try to be a good Hippie. The blood lined horses will come and say good night.
I guess there is no translation for the term Weichei (Weich Ei ).

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post Jul 22 2012, 03:56 PM
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"I was feelin' . . . so bad,
I asked my family doctor just what I had,
I said, "Doctor, . . .
Mr. M.D., . . .
Now can you tell me, tell me, tell me,
What's ailin' me?" (Good Lovin' - The Young Rascals)

"Everybody's got something to hide, 'cept me and my monkey . . . "
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post Jul 22 2012, 06:53 PM
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QUOTE (M.D. @ Jul 22 2012, 02:02 PM) *
...and here comes the expected crying and whining. The tear stained shirts and the begging and the howling..all the salt and grime flowing from wet cheeks.. I am getting so tired of watching these charades by supposedly grown peeps.... Let me tell you something. This is worse than Craigslist.org forums. At least they are not lying. Du Weichei, Du. Schlappi. Schaem Dich, ja ?

M.D., I am getting so tired of watching these charades by supposedly grown PEEPS.. HaHa, but you keep coming back, now don't you M.D.

This is not a boring site, and yes there is humor, and questions ask when someone dosen't quite believe what another posted, a few digs, a few joking at each other, but many educational facts about the Arabian horse and their many owners and breeders.

So M.D. what the heck else can this great forum site have to make you not sing out of tune.LOL
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post Jul 24 2012, 07:59 PM
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QUOTE (Robert 1 @ Jul 22 2012, 07:53 PM) *
M.D., I am getting so tired of watching these charades by supposedly grown PEEPS.. HaHa, but you keep coming back, now don't you M.D.

This is not a boring site, and yes there is humor, and questions ask when someone dosen't quite believe what another posted, a few digs, a few joking at each other, but many educational facts about the Arabian horse and their many owners and breeders.

So M.D. what the heck else can this great forum site have to make you not sing out of tune.LOL

Easy. Give me an incentive, Boy . I like singing out of tune.
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post Jul 24 2012, 10:51 PM
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QUOTE (M.D. @ Jul 24 2012, 09:59 PM) *
Easy. Give me an incentive, Boy . I like singing out of tune.

M.D. Try Niel Diamonds song, Longfellow serenade.......Ride, common baby ride rolleyes.gif
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