Does anyone have any information on this stallion Zaghloul (Gassir x Gharbawia)

I found a picture of him.



ZAGHLOUL AHR*69609 29 Oct 1963 Grey Stallion

Out Of: GHARBAWIA EAO*426 by HAMDAN IOHB*10
Sired By: GASSIR RAS*371
Bred By: EGYPTIAN AGRICULTURAL ORGANIZATION
Status: Deceased 1990
Number of Progeny: 60
Travel Information:

Year.. From.. To.. Registration.. Horse Name.
1970 ARAB REPUBLIC OF EGYPT - UNITED STATES AHR*69609 * ZAGHLOUL

Kind Regards
Jani

Thank you so much Jani, I really appreciate the information. I had never heard of this stallion before. Nor have I seen any of his progeny.

good morning Susan

Zaghloul was in my Quarantine in Canada in 1970. He had raced successfully in Egypt. He had a huge eye, a bit heavy in the neck, but otherwise very good conformation and legs. He also was an excellent mover and had a very sweet dispotion. He was very balanced too. I really liked him and worked with him daily for about two months in quaratine. He produced according to my records 21 daughters and 29 Sons, all Se's. Zaghloul was about 14,3 or tiptoeing at 15 hands. I have him on one of my films/now vidios. these are not available yet.

He produced among others Ibn Zaghloul (1976) a dark bay, almost black stallion, who became a US National top ten stallion in 1979. He was out of Bint Mona (Bint Mouna) (1958) I saw this stallion as a 3year old, and was quite impressed. He stood about 15,1 or so tall.

Have a nice day
Hansi

Hi

I found 2 picture more of Zaghloul.



And this is Ibn Zaghoul by Zaghloul.


Kind Regards
Jani

thanks Jani for these lovely photos. this is how I remember them both. But I am not sure if Ibn Zaghlouk is a black or a dark brown bay. He looked more black to me at that time. Zaghloul was a very powerful mover.

Just love the way Ibn Zaghloul is stood up, no pressure, just as natural as they come. this is exactly how he looked, when I saw him many years ago. He was so elegant and so very correct.

thanks again
Hansi

Saw Ibn Zaghoul many times when he was in California. He was as blue black as they come. At one point I asked the owner why they called him 'black bay' on his papers when he was so obviously black and she said that as a youngster he showed some questionable color that made them think he was black bay. But he never burned red in the sun and his muzzle was as black as can be. I do remember that for the first year he had some blond or white hairs in his tail. Perhaps that is why? He was a very nice stallion by the way.

We have no data about him but assume Ibn Zaghloul wasn't well received by straight Egyptian breeders because we know no offspring of him.
Our questions: Is this assumption wrong?
Why was a BLACK sE stallion, who went U.S. National Top Ten, with a dam like Bint Mona (!) and described by many of you as an outstanding individual not the "star" of his time? Was it lack of promotion? Was it the time when too many superior stallions were available? Wwre his foals not like him? Is he still alive? Questions and questions!!!

Howdy,

I remember Ibn Zaghloul as being quite a nice horse. He is registered as bay, but he appeared black to me. He sired 153 purebred foals, so someone must have bred to him :-) . He is also listed as the sire of 21 SE foals, according to datasource. Ibn Zaghloul was sold to Mexico in 1987, that is probably why he dropped out of sight in the US breeding market. He would be 27 if he was/is alive today. I hope this answers some of your questions......

One last note, I did run across a well bred son of his on datasource named Nasaab, a bay stallion foaled in 1984. By Ibn Zaghloul out of Fitnaah (*Soufian x Fardos by *Morafic). Nasaab is not listed as deceased and is in Placerville, California.

Jim Robbins
R-Farm

Ibn Zaghloul had 152 foals with his last group born in '89. There is no indication whether or not he is still alive but he was a popular breeding stallion while he was breeding.

Think he had several obstacles to overcome. His owners after Gleannloch were faced with major challanges and thus he changed hands fivel times ending up in Texas. The few foals I remember being shown were quite successful in whatever their venue was but he was never heavily promoted except in the very early years. Lovely stallion and who knows what happened?

Frank and Janine....before making such assumptions that there was no offspring or that he wasn't well received, you might want to invest in the AHA Data Source. You were off-base here.

Dear Frank and Janine

the other poster explained why also I was not sure about the colour at that time.

Sometimes people are not that interested to breed outside mares, like we at Serenity. it is a lot of work and outside mares always get more attention than the ones one ownes. some breeders prefer in aquiring Non-SE's breed their Se stlalions over them and market their foals or the mares in foal. this way they have a better choice to produce the foals, they feel, might be adequate. We have done this for many years successfully. As you know, many stlalions's book were closed after a while, such as Morafic and our Khofo (closed in 1985). this is also to not flood the market.

Even in the TB industry many stallions only set a limit number of mares per year, their stallions will breed, and the top ones will only accept choice mares. they dont just accept any mare. Quite a bit of selective breeding is done.
I think that goes for many equine breeds here. And they do not breed AI, are petrified of it.

Have a nice day
Hansi
Serenity Arabian Farms

Thank you for the explanation.
To clear it up our questions were not meant in any negative way but the contrary is the truth. We never heard of him before and wanted to gather some information about him and his get. From the 152 offspring he might have produced we never have heard anything, that's all. That doesn't imply any negative. Some owners show their horses and advertis ethem, others not.
Other stallions of his era produced up to 500 or more foals like Moniet El Sharaf, Shaikh Al Badi, others less than 100 - like Ansata Imperial but his get are well-known in the breeding shed and in the showring. So we were curious to hear more about Ibn Zaghloul.
Sorry for that but that is why we are here in the Forum. To hear, to see, to learn.
The AHRA CD rom might be nice but it gives not really a clue of any accomplishments of a stallion except the sheer numbers of foals produced. And this says nothing about "quality". Like Ansata Imperial. In sheer numbers he isn't one ot the "top" sires but in quality he is amazingly influential. Just our thoughts.

I new Ibn Zalouls owner. Can't remember his last name but first name is Jim. I will try to find out his name. He and his wife retired from breeding in late 80's and sold all ,including Ibn Zaloul. Jim opened a feed store in our small area here when I was just starting my breeding. I owned an El Hilal son out of a Zaloul daughter so when we met he helped me alot. He's a wonderful person and lives in Placerville, Ca. He sold the feed store 4 yrs ago so I haven't seen him since. I miss him.
I remember his story about buying Ibn Zaloul , Maybe from Glenlock, don't know. But Ibn Zaloul was a yearling or 2 yr old, can't remember, anyway he told me that Rumanija Ali, also a youngster was for sale. Him and his wife were deciding between the two and though Ibn Zaloul was the better. He said they were both priced at 25,000. He never regreated buying Ibn Zaloul but was also sorry about not buying Rumanija Ali...They were not big breeders and didn't do much showing, just enjoyed their Egyptians...
This feed store that he owned still has a large statue of Ibn Zaloul on the roof. I remember all the pictures of him on the walls in the back of the store...Sorry, for the memory lane experence..........

Thanks for the memories.
Could it be his owners were
Jim & Diane Burkhart? This
are his last owners I have on record.

Thank you for the information and wonderful pictures. He looks like a very manly stallion (which I like) with a very kind and intelligent eye. I bet he could move too.

yep, thats them. Thanks for letting me know. Maybe I will call him sometime....

Hi All
According to my sources Saghloul had a total of 60 progeny, 22 geldings, 11 stallions and 27 mares (45% mares). He had no full brother or sister only 6 half siblings through the dam, of which 4 had no progeny( I don't mention half siblings through the sire). The two that have progeny are Ghariba (by Aboud) and Wehda (by.Sharkasi).
Ghariba had 6 progeny of which 3 had no progeny: Namrood had 1 mare Saly who had no progeny, Izees had only one offspring a mare by Ibn Hafiza who had quite a few progeny , Fayza had one offspring Saleh who had no progeny .
Wehda had one offspring the mare Monia by Tawaaf who have about 4 progeny.
Interestingly Gassir had no Full Siblings and only one Half sibling through the dam Badia = Bassima who had no progeny. His Sire Kheir had no siblings through the dam.
Hope you will find it interesting

Greetings from South Africa
Mariks

Periodically I do a Zaghloul search & this forum came up.

Are you still interested in Zaghloul? I have one of his daughters and a friend of mine who had Ziggy in his later years until he died has another daughter. I did an article on Zaghloul that was published in Arabian Visions magazine. Would be glad to talk with you. Am at pyro400@att.net.