Dear Cynthia, on request of your dear friend Babs! I'm posting you here a picture from Ansata Aliha, the mother of your beloved Ansata Menassah. Unfortunatly I only have found one shot of her!!!! So to make you happy and to do my work well for Babs I'm posting a few family pictures! (Hope I made my money in this way!)

Enjoy it! Greetz, Bart.

The Son: Ansata Menassah!

Menassah 2.

Menassah 3.

The Sister : Ansata Bint Aliha!

Bint Aliha 2.

The little brother: Ansata Shah Abbas. Nice colt, were is he?

The daughter by Ansata Merytha : Ansata Marha.

Ansata Marha 2.

Ansata Marha 3.) Hop Hop Michael Byatt!

This one go's a lllloooonnnngggg time back!
Marha's and mine first int. Qatar Jun. Champ. title!

... and Marha's full sister Ansata Munira, one of the secret treasures of Germany, isn't she, Bart?

Dear Bart,

... by the way, do you have a picture of Ansata Regina (A. El Wazir x A Bint Bukra)?

Dear Daniel,

Absolutely right, beautifull mare.
I only found one picture from Regina, hmm a bid dissapointing maybe! Not the horse but the picture quality/quantity!

Thank you Bart! What a lovely way to start the day, looking at such beauties.

I would also like to send kisses to Cynthia for giving a wonderful home to the great foundation mare of Rocaille Arabians, Glorietta Gashahla, by Ansata Shah Zaman. Gashahla was consigned to a 2002 Addis sale, by David and Martha Murdoch of Rocaille Ranch, along with a few young horses. These particular sales do not draw buyers of halter or S.E. horses, so many like horses, go very cheap (under $1,000 U.S.), and many to meat houses. Cynthia discovered her there and, in my opinion, rescued her.

Those of us who know Cynthia personally know what a special person she is, but for things like this, I especially love her. Thank you Cynthia. I hope that Gashahla is able to give you a nice baby or two, in thanks.

Good morning everybody

|thank you Bart, for the lovely photos. always so nice to see pictures of horses one might have never seen.

Barbara.
I know what you are talking about and always wondered by anybody wants to assign an Se to such auctions. I have seen $ 30,000 mares going through for a few hundred dollar. this is such a shame, almost an insult.
I would rather donate a horse to a deserving person, than having it insulted.
the problEme also is, that many "killers" buy them. In some areas they get 85-90 cents per pound on the hoof and when buying at $ 200,- 400, they are making money ON AN 800-1000 HORSE. this is awful.

Bless your heart cynthia for rescuing this lovely mare
and also I wish you only best of luck with her. Once a while these horses get lucky and find new owners such as you.

Hansi

DARLING Bart,

Whew! All those photos -- you must be a scanning wizard by now! How are the Arabic lessons coming? Remember I have a test ready the next time I see you.....

Thanks for posting so many photos! But I must admit I simply cannot believe that chubby horse in the photos is actually the same one that is standing in my barn! So many changes between now and then! Which, incidentally, is something very fascinating to me. If you look at photos of *Ansata Ibn Halima at age three, for example, you can hardly believe that he turned into one of the most ethereal beauties the breed has ever known. I am continually fascinated by the tremendous changes in horses of Ansata breeding -- especially in head and neck, and overall refinement over time. It is something you truly have to observe over the years to believe. Of course, how wonderful to have a line of horses that gets more and more beautiful as they age (and why don't we humans have those genes......). I see many horses, particularly in some of the American show lines, which are refined and beautiful yearlings, yet become coarse and heavy with age.

I just think this points out the importance of bloodline study, especially if one is to be successful in evaluating young stock. Even in our Egyptian lines the way bloodlines mature and change are often different.

As for Glorieta -- I have so many fond memories of their wonderful horses, as I spend considerable time there during my year at Ansata -- both farms were then in Texas and quite nearby. Of course Glorieta Gashahla has a home for life here, and hopefully a foal or two in the future (she sadly aborted at four months this year). But regardless, she is well-loved and will be well taken care of for the rest of her life. Thanks for the compliment, Barbara, but I don't deserve any special recognition for "rescuing" her -- there are so many of you who also give tremendous love and consideration to the horses in your care!

Best Regards,

Cynthia

I couldn't resist! Although neither of these is an especially good photo (which reminds me we need to have some new body shots taken), this is Bart's first photo posted, probably at age 3 I would guess, and then a photo taken two years ago (age 12). Wish I had a side head shot so we could do the same with them -- that would even be more dramatic as far as changes to head and neck.....

Best Regards,

Cynthia

I love the pedigree of Glorieta Gashahla, what a wonderful combination of new and old Egyptian lines. Char Echo is one of my favorites and it is not too often available in Straight Egyptians. I hope you get several beautiful babies from this great mare, with Char Echo maybe even a lovely black filly! Good luck.

WOW, there is a big difference. Don't you think that in several lines, the biggest changes come in the neck? I know this is true of Ansata lines. I've also been doing a little extra study of the Madheen lines, and see that apparently this is also true of them in many cases. Sometimes it seems to take a few years. From your own observations do you all agree?

What a lovely, lovely typey correct mare by anyone's standard. Look at those front legs particularly in the 3 year old photo—short strong cannons, long well muscled forearm, correct slope of the pastern. I wish we saw more front legs like that in the US show ring today. Sadly all I seem to have judged recently, are long thin cannons, calf knees, steep pasterns and club feet in almost every class !! I congratulate you Cynthia, on owning such a beauty. Liz Salmon

Dear Liz, the above is a stallion!

Very true, but in the case of an elderly mare consigned to a sale where killers are known to frequent, there is always a risk of these horses getting in the wrong hands. This also applies to people looking for bargains who honestly can't afford to take proper care of the horses, once they get them home.

Thanks Bart, I was on the phone talking about a mare, while I was typing that, I didn't catch my mistake until later !! Liz Salmon

There are about 30 Straight Egyptians consigned to that sale right now, some of really good pedigrees. They must do okay with selling Straight Egyptians, I doubt any will go to the killers.

We found a good home for AK Desert Flower. A friend who lives near OKC attended the recent Addis Sales and saw her. We scrambled and got someone to bid on her. She's now proudly owned by Jerel Kirby.

I believe another person bought a lovely mare from a previous Addis sale...juliaema and Taj Mahal? Julia, I will let you elaborate.

I am more inclined to agree with guest, especially this time because the "word" is out.

I think that almost the entire herd from Willow Draw Arabians in Texas are in the next Bill Addis sale—some nice horses too, a great opportunity for breeders.
I do hope these horses find good homes. Liz Salmon

This really has little to do with the subject of this thread, but since it has been brought up, I must disagree about the usual selling prices of Egyptians in this sale.

I do hope that this upcoming sale will get better prices for the Egyptian horses, as maybe more Egyptian buyers will attend. However, the sales by this company are known as an outlet for riding horses. Some trainers use them to pass on geldings, etc. that are broke to ride, been used in performance showing (some having done very well), etc. and those do sell well - but are not Egyptians.

From looking at past histories, straight Egyptians do not bring good prices at these sales, because this company isn't know for sell Egyptians or halter horses. The exception is what we refer to as "dump" horses.... those without quality or with breeding problems. Most purchase prices (for Egyptians) have been around $1,000 or much less ($250!), which hardly pays the shipping and consignment fee.

Before I am misunderstood, the Willow Draw horses are a dispersal, which has nothing to do with their quality. The only information I have regarding those horses is that there is apparently a lot of Sirecho blood in the herd, and I'm told that most of their breeding horses were acquired through SPEAH, as the owner is on the SPEAH board. Hopefully breeders in that area will attend the sale and do some active bidding. Good Luck!

I just looked at the list and only counted six or seven out of the 30 horses who are carrying him, almost all of them through Simeon Shai. I don't think Marion Richmond would think the Simeon Shai blood was possibly a problem do you? This beautiful National Champion stallion made a huge name and a lot of money for Simeon Stud. I can't believe the great bloodlines in the horses of this sale, also many with Ansata and Imperial lines. There is even an Ansata Halim Shah daughter! Also Ruminaja Ali, Shaikh Al Badi, Ibn Safinez. I thnk those who can grab such horses now would be very lucky. Amazing bloodlines on this list! Hope only good people wind up with super horses!

If you read into my post that I felt there was anything wrong with Sirecho, you were mistaken. I have it in my own herd. This was just information about her breeding program that I was passing along. I wish everyone good luck with their purchases.

thanks Bart for all these picture ... Just to let you know that Ansata shah Abbas is in Kuwait in the arabian horse center.


Regards
HA

Huh, surprice I didn't see him when I was their two weeks ago! I'll check on it!

Dear Cynthia, who is this horse? What a marvellous comparison!

Actually, both are Ansata Manasseh (although I'm trusting Bart on the the first photo -- I can hardly make it be Manasseh to my eyes, ha!)
Neither are particularly accurate photos of the actual horse, but glad Liz liked the legs.....

It just shows you how much the Ansata horse refine over the years -- to me, in the first photo, although the horse looks balanced, he is a bit heavy and not particularly leggy. Yet as a mature horse, Ansata Manasseh is VERY high in the leg, and a refined horse. Also his neck is nicer than either photo in reality. I wish I had a better body shot for the comparison -- we will have to do one at the next photo shoot. Even more dramatic would be a side head photo -- again, the Ansata horse dry out in the face tremendously, and seem to keep doing so every year of their life. The same is true of my other Ansata Halim Shah horse -- this one a mare -- her face changed tremendously from age 4 to her current age of 13 -- now she has incredible dryness.

Anyway, it also goes to show you how a horse can look completely different in different photos -- there is no substitute for seeing a horse in the flesh!

Best Regards,

Cynthia Culbertson

I am the person who sold AK Desert Flower in the sale. I was literally forced to put her in the sale and it ripped my heart out. My heart is still broken even after 5 years. She was a once-in-a-lifetime jewel for me. She went for next to nothing but it was a huge relief to know that she went to a good home.
The fact is, I was searching the internet to see if I could find out anything about her since then when I found this forum. If anyone knows if she had any foals for Jerel or anything else about her, it would help me a lot.
She wasn't the most beautiful mare and she had a dominating, quirky attitude. But I loved her greatly and she produced 3 gorgeous fillies in a row for me while I had her. God let me keep her 1999 daughter, Sumrs Amahzn Badi, who continues to take my breath away when I look at her.
Karla

Hello Karla
Below please find a list of AK Desert Flower's progeny from the DataSource.
Cheers,
Carol

PROGENY: 5 foals, 1990 to 2002
CH DESERT SPRING; AHR*455584/FAR*473; 21 Mar 1990; Mare; Bay; SIRE: Nabiel (Sakr x Magidaa)
EAI MIDNIGHT BLOOM; AHR*564278/CAHR*37992; 15 Apr 1997; Mare; Bay; SIRE: The Atticus (The Minstril x Alijamila)
SUMRS AMAHZN BADI; AHR*563701; 21 Mar 1999; Mare; Grey; SIRE: SA Shabin (Almas Razal x Eskada Analaia)
SUMR MARIIQ DBADI; AHR*579090; 07 May 2000; Mare; Chestnut; SIRE: Almas Al Kastana (Maximum x Ansata Nile Gem)
SUMR BADIEH FAH TAHN; AHR*595261; 15 Apr 2002; Mare; Grey; SIRE: SA Shabin (Almas Razal x Eskada Analaia)

Can anyone tell me how to find the list of horses consigned to the Addis auction? I've contacted them and been told that they have no knowledge of 30 se's being consigned and have no horses from Willow Draw consigned as of this date. The deadline for the catalogue is June 20.

Just for the record, I just received the catalogue for the next Addis auction and there is only one SE for sale and that one is a gelding, Al Baraki son, currently in training for western. I don't kow where the information came from about the 30 SE's but it is not true. Addis told me they had no knowledge of those horses.

Nancy,

The Addis sale that had the 30 Straight Egyptians was in 2003 in Madison, WI.
That is where WDA Orion & HF El Cid sold along with daughters of Simeon Shai, Talmaal, El Hilal, and The Minstril. Even an Ansata Halim Shah daughter that I believe Rancho Bulakenyo bought went through that sale.
Willow Draw Arabians was selling all of their herd.
Some pretty good deals to be had that day!

Thanks for filling me in on that. I did try to find out about it but no one replied. The way the post was worded it made it sound like it was something coming up. I can see now that this was an old thread that was brought forward.