Good Day!

I am posting from Canada and am looking for a little help in finding European, Middle Eastern or Australia Arabians Stallions available by frozen semen. I would love to introduce some new bloodlines for showing but have trouble finding websites and navigating foreign languages. =o)

Please let me know which boys are available, and if possible contact information (website). If you prefer, please PM, I would love to here from you. I would be interested in purchasing per dose if available (as is more common with WBs) and also by Breeding Fee.

Thank you very much!

Hi Canadian,
You may have your work cut out for what you are looking for, the Middle East prefer live coverage, Australia dosent have rabbies, one of the resons is that they are very strict about shipping semen in or out of the country, nothing is impossible but, it may be difficult, why not use the USA they have many great stallions of just about all bloodlines?
Robert,
EHAP

Hi Canadian,
Welcome to SE.com.
You should look at some of the threads, for info on stallions. There have been some exciting new boys coming to the U.S.
Cheryl

And if you talk about frozen semen in Europe you also have to chose a stallion which semen is tested for exporting to the U.S.
I think not all of them are as it costs more money and there also have to be a market for them overseas.
I know Rothenberg Arabians have overseas semen available of some of their stallions, perhaps they can tell you which one and what is necessary for to ship.

GR Amareto has very exotic babies!!!

Yeah, GR Amaretto has great kids. Switch to the portraits and you'll find many wonderful stallions, many of them are available through frozen semen.

Hi, I saw your topic.

Well: we have frozen semen for you from the stallion Ibn El Tareef, son of the great Hadaya El Tareef and as grandfather Imperial Imdal.
He has shown excellent offspring in the USA already, so proofed !! He is OCD free; controlled by the German Lab's and has extremly good sperm also as frozen.
What is mentioned here before is correct about the export; therefore:
Ibn El Tareef was 2 month in quarantaine, controlled by the State Vetenarian, his sperm has been controlled and is fine to send to USA, Canada, as well as Australia ! (and of course Europe)
For a contact in the States how his offspring is:
please contact:
juliaema@skycasters.net

for some pictures look in the stallion part from:
http://www.divine-arabians.com

or for more details:
send me a privat message and you can use the SE.com

Bastet
El Hynder Arabians
Holland

You can check www.shahadastud.com Gr Monet is a young promising stallion by Classic Shadwan in France, with frozen semen avalaible for Canada.

Hello,

Thank you so much for the replies and for the welcome. I have had a little trouble logging into the site the last couple days and so am sorry for being slow to respond.

Robert > There are many lovely stallions in the U.S. but I always find myself gravitating toward those I see overseas. I do have a personal preference for their type, movement and conformation which I have not found in North America as easily. Or it is easier to see in the way they are shown and also shod.

Thank you very much for the suggestions and also emails. I appreciate it!

Hi Canadian,
I will agree with you, when looking for type, the horses of Dr. Nagel excell.
When we searched the world over for type we chose Alaa Jabbar a
colt from Germany, he is on this site, take a look at his baby photos and tell me what you think of Alaa Jabbar type.

Robert,
EHAP

Jaro d'Eversam ( Warandes Pascha x Bint Shaklana by Malik ). The stallion is standing in Denmark for natural services. Frozen semen available in Belgium.
More info at www.nospamallowed.be

How much are the shipping costs for frozem semen from USA to Germany?

To give you an idea. We've imported frozen semen from the UK to Belgium twice. Veterinarian costs for handling the semen with transportation and health certificates and renting the transportation box, were once 296 € and once 310 €. Breeding fee not included ofcourse. Mare in foal after three inseminations. Still 3 doses available for the future.
The semen of the stallion Jaro d'Eversam is approved for worldwide transportation.

Hi

I am using transported semen from Belgium for my mare this year. Valerio Ibn Eternity has frozen available check out samsara (hope thats right) for details.

Have a nice day!

(hope Albina does not mind!)

All fabulous stallions posted here! Thank you very much for these wonderful names! Cannot get much better a shoulder than on Valerio Ibn Eternity and Jaro d'Eversam, IMO, lovely and helpful photos as well! Nice to see.

Hello Robert!! Alaa Jabbar is my kinda boy! Congratulations on your purchase; I will be keeping an eye on him.

Hi Canadian,
If you wish you can E-mail me at Echohill@epix.net
Robert,
EHAP

yes Australia does have guidelines in place for importing semen as there quite a few "nasties", rabbies being one of them, that the rest of the world does have which are, as yet, not known in the island continent of Australia - and we'd like to keep it that way There are also guidelines for exporting semen as well, per any prospective grown (or growing) animal readying for export. Difficult - I wouldn't think so, it just needs planning and organisation.

AQIS webpage for livestock export and Fact sheets - New arrangements for exporting livestock (as at Nov 2004)

looking at documentation on semen type (frozen or chilled), one comment is ...
quoted paper this could be said for any popular stallion - regardless of insemenation technique used (live cover or AI using fresh, chilled or frozen semen). The stallion doesn't need to have the defect - as mentioned, it just needs to be a carry of a defect If the defect shows in the first generation - fine, but what if its not until later generations that the defect shows up. I guess the popular stallion won't be as popular then!
This, of course, also works the opposite way... attributes wanted are accquired quicker using a popular stallion / bloodlines.

A reminder rather than a topic distraction.

Hi diane,
I already have the website for AQIS, due to the reason that we have frozen semen from our SE Ansata Ibn Halima son, and had some inquiries from down under.
Thanks for reasuring what I already posted.
Robert,
Echo Hill Arabians

I'm glad you have the website, Robert, others might like it as well
to the contrary, I'm not reassuring its a difficult process at all... though will confirm it does need planning, organisation and follow-up (particularly coming in) and perhaps patience as per any dealings with institutions.

Hi diane,
You would make a great defense lawyer, same words, just a prettier color.
We are planning to ship Frozen semen to Australia, so perhaps you have experience in doing this, first hand, and can help walk us through it.
Thanks ahead of time,
Robert,
Echo Hill Arabians

Click to view attachmentClick to view attachmentDear Canadian Arabian,

I hope you are successful in locating a suitable Europeon stallion with frozen semen available. New blood is always welcome. I would also like to say there are European type stallions in Canada, many with the same blood you will find in other parts of the world. You might just have to dig through the snow to find them but they are here!

Lawyer definitely, not - as a straight talker, it would be like wearing ill fitting shoes or nickers - a real bind ...though, with respect to your thoughts (with my straight-talker hat on) perhaps it can be seen that way - different words similar meaning... follow the rules and you won't be disappointed nor find it difficult. There's no way or, more purposefully, there shouldn't be a way to circumvent these rules! Australia would like to remain free of the diseases which trouble other areas of the world. The rules also aid in preventing the potential for a unknown contamination leaving the country as well.

I won't be able to assist you "first-hand" as I haven't imported or exported but have read the rules with the potential to export (and also import) chilled semen and potentially frozen semen along the enquiry to export Arabians I've bred. My only form of "first-handedness" would be to suggest that Miranda from Charaway Stud in Qld (who frequents this site) has, as noted, imported True Colors frozen semen to Australia resulting in 2 lovely foals amongst others, maybe able to assist you with their actual experiences.

Hi to all,

Thanks diane, it is nice to have a friend in different parts of the world, I think so many of us say the same things, we just have a different way of putting things.
do you by chance come to the Egyptian Event in Kentucky during the first week of June, we would all love to meet you.
Robert,
Echo Hill Arabians

thanks for your wishes, Robert ...though it would be very nice to visit Amercia(s) at some stage, its definitely a to-do, little things such as a mortgage and feeding horses takes priority at the moment

HI Robert - sorry I am only just catching up on mail & messages, as we have been away in NSW visiting Simeon Stud and attending the Forest Hill Open day. I would be happy to answer any questions you have in regard to sending frozen Semen to Australia. I will post more details tonight when I get home from work.

Cheers, Miranda
Charaway Arabians
www.charawayarabians.com

Hello Robert and others - sorry it has taken me a bit to get back to the messages!!

We have been throught the whole Frozen Semen experience and are very blessed to have two wonderful foals from our efforts. BUT - we did alot of homework and research before we paid for services and signed contracts. We asked many many people also about their lessons using frozen semen pregnecy's, and asked pros & cons of the AI technicians to use. When we decided on who we would use to get our mares in foal, we then spent a great deal of time asking him questions about the mares we were hoping to breed etc. From this, we ended up buying two new mares to meet the criteria that he set - younger than ten years, had a least one foal and NO bad breeding or foaling history. So, with our two mares we were lucky enough to have two pregnacys from first inseminations. But, this was very late in our (Australian) season due to other complications with the semen shipment. Correct paperwork had not be done in country of origin, so this delayed some weeks, then a discrepicy in paperwork to straw numbers saw it halted in AQIS. Evently it arrived and all went well. I do have to credit our AI technician, as a number of mares were bred in Australia, and in the first season only 3 went in foal - all with the same technician. Next season, 2 mares in foal, one with same technican, another in sydney. Now, one more this season, also with our original technican. One thing that I think could of been handled better, was the fact the frozen semen had never been tried before being sent to us. May not of made any difference, but piece of mind.... don't get me wrong, I believe the mares health is as much a part and breeders / mare owners need to take responsibility for this also.

There is a very good article in the Dec AHW written by Cindy Riech, which goes into some detail on Australia standards, and some pre-reqrisest for stallion owners thinking about sending semen abroad.

We would do frozen semen breedings again at the drop of a hat, but find it difficult to get stallion owners to agree to send semen for just 2 or 3 breedings (understandable) and find Australian mare owners in general a little gun-shy about pre-purchasing breedings without guarentees....

If you have anymore questions please don't hesitate to ask -

Miranda
Charaway Arabians

Hiya,
Also you might talk to Imperial Stud too as I have a stallion via frozen semon by Ibn Safinaz here in Austalia (although I did not bred him so can not help you in this regard).........

Ozzie guest

Hello Miranda,

Thank you for all the wonderful information you have provided in this thread!

I have seen so many varying options in regards to costs from per dose (no LFG), to full breeding fee (with set # of straws) and including LFG. It's quite confusing.

The idea of no guarantee is a scary one as a mare owner. Have you found options that work for you in regards to helping the mare and stallion owner deal with the difficulties you mentioned?

I have assumed the mare owner would pay alls cost of shipping the semen (is this what you are refering to?), in this case why would the stallion owner be hestitate? I have also seen options where the mare owner would pay for the semen dose and shipping cost and the remainder of the fee when the mare checks in foal and before any paperwork is released for registration purposes.

All very interesting and there doesn't seem to be a norm.

Hi Canadian - most of the hesitation stems from the previous rules of Australian quarantine stating that the stallion must be in full quarantine conditions for 30 days before collection starts. This ruling has now changed. Nearly all contracts that we have read state all monies to be paid upfront, ie: before collection even. Fellow breeders, Asab arabians over here have negotiated a better deal on the polish sires they are bringing semen in for, with 50% paid for booking and balance paid on live foal - this is one of the better I have seen.

I don't have a problem with paying the shipping fees etc, but also get edgy if the semen has never been tried before. Looking under a microscope does not guarentee mobility inside a mare.

It really is a fine line, and as I said in my earlier post, as much responsibility should lie with the mare and her owner as the stallions ability to produce quaility sperm.

The one thing that we love about the frozen semen is that Australia is so isolated to the northern hesisphere (20hrs+ plane USA) and airfreight for a horse is approx $20,000 Aust dollars. So, being able to access some of the worlds best sires for a fraction of this helps keep our costs resonable.

sorry for dragging on!!!

Miranda
Charaway Arabians

I am going to have Abraxas Amir's semen frozen at the end of this breeding season so if there is any overseas interest please let me know and we can arrange quarantine.
His semen has already been frozen in America and it has good test results, (not used as yet).
His semen is brilliant fresh, seems as soon as a mare is right reproductively a pregnancy will occur.
Amirs bloodlines are superb as is he. Not very often you can get so many "Greats" of the Straight Egyptian gene pool in the second and third generations.

Karen
pc Tracey Bavinton