I have been impressed with the photo's I have seen of Ansata Sinan get and grand get.

I have search high and low on the web to find out more about him but there seems to be very little to nothing. With the success of "Hotep" at the egyptian event there must be a lot of interest in this stallion. I would love to see some photo's of him and his children.

Is he at stud? Does he have many sons? Do you have a favorite son or daughter?

Hi Partean,

I'm sorry to say that Ansata Sinan is not at stud. He has kind of disappeared off of the scene. Many people have already tried to locate the owner of Sinan and UP Sheitan, until now without success.

Even Bart Van Buggenhout who has showed Sinan to his greatest successes doesn't know where to look for him. Al Rayyan Stud in Qatar has a very nice colt by Ansata Sinan and there are several other sons around the world who are very impressive.

I'm not at my home computer, else I would give you more names. But I think many other people will be able to give information on Sinans get.

Have a nice day,
Stephanie

Ansata Sinan is alive and well, but with uncooperative and unavailable ownership and management. Such a shame.

Ansata Sinan

Foto: ?

Chantal's Aziza (Ansata Sinan x Chantal's Samila)

Foto: ?

Kamsin Rhodan (Ansata Sinan x Khediva Rodoniyah)

Foto: ?

Tabari (Ansata Sinan x Talia Halima)

Foto: ?

And her you can se AS Sinans Pasha
And se Khidar her

Kind Regards
Jani

This is the 2002 colt Baraka A-Taai, (Ansata El Shahraf x VA Tosca Bint Sinan x Ansata Sinan) at 8 months old, here at Baraka Arabians. Tosca is out of the black mare, Tanye Rama.

WOW Barbara, another lovely Sharaf foal!!! and those eyes....

rachael

Hi Partean,

my favourite Ansata Sinan´s daugther is Bint Deladiva.
and Sinan´s sons Khidar, Sinan Al Rayyan, etc.


Best Regards,

Marianella

hi

Egyptian Asinah 1997
(Ansata Sinan x Egyptian Anjali Amanda)



Photo by Evelyne

Best Regards,

Marianella

We have a very nice Sinan son in Jordan who has sired some nice foals as well. Alia

Hi,

Delyth Gamlin has a super Sinan son, I saw him last week.

He's two years old, fabulous mover, great presence and a long, hooky neck.

Sorry, can't remember dam line.

Wizzy

Hi,

The dam of Delyth's colt is Bint Faras Azali by Ansata El Naseri out of Faras Azali who was by Fehris out of the *Morafic daughter Moradil. Other members of this family I have seen had tons of movement and presence so this is definately one to look out for in the future . I should also mention the great legs as that is perhaps the most important thing I noticed

Mike

Thankyou all for your replies. So many lovely photo's.

What a shame he has disappeared into the wilderness. It is so sad. Surley these magical animals are greater than any of us will ever be, and should be shared with the world freely for all to enjoy.

How lucky you all are to have Sinan get. It would seem that he is a great producer, in some cases perhaps producing even better than himself. Which has to be the ultimate test of a great sire.

Foto: E. Escher



Mutair HP (Ansata Sinan x Mesoudah M)


Foto: E. Escher



Bint Deladiva (Ansata Sinan x Om El Deladiva)


Foto: Carola Toischel



Madin Ibn Sinan (Ansata Sinan x Mahdeenah)

-- Christina

And then there is

Eternity IBN Navarroné - D

Saraï BINT Navarroné-D

Roxanne and Martinique

Ansata Nile Nadir



-- Christina

Sinan is breeding some outside mares as we know of 4 which are due in the spring of 2004. The stud fee I was quoted for the 2004 breeding season was $ 5000.00 US funds - this quote was given to me in the last two weeks.

Hi,

did you also heard something about UP Sheitan?

Aloiv

Hi Guest,

If he's breeding, then people know where he is. Are you able to find out? You would make a lot of people on the forum happy.

Thank you,
Stephanie

Mutair HP is now living in the Middle East but his full-brother Mishaal HP is at stud in Germany.
His dam is Mesoudah-M (Messaoud x Madinah), a full-sister to the late Imperial Madheen.

Photo by Erwin Escher

I don't want to sound like a jerk and if I am wrong about what I am about to say, then someone please correct me, but isn't $5000 a little too much for a stud fee for this horse? What are his accomplishments, what has this horse done to earn such a high stud fee? Especially for a horse that has been out of the public view for so long. I look at the breeding issues of magazines like Dressage Today and Practical Horseman (US Magazines dedicated to the sproting disciplines of Dressage, Hunter, Jumper and Combined Training) and I see the stud fees for major Warmblood stallions that are competing (and not just in the Sport Horse in hand classes either) for much less advertised stud fees than $5000. Like for example, Iron Spring Farm, a breeder of Dutch Warmbloods in Pennsylvania is standing a son of the much celebrated Roemer, for $1500. This is a successful dressage stallion, with consistent scores of the high 60's and now embarking on a jumper career. More often than not, I think that the stud fees of Arabian Stallions are overpriced. Not too mention that we have too many stallions standing who would make much better geldings, if their owners had more courage to cull. I am not saying that Sinan should be gelded, I think he is a beautiful horse and from a few pictures has sired a few good looking horses. I am using this opportunity to make an overall statement of too much mediocre quality and too high stud fees. Hansi, I think you will agree with me on this , right?

Dear Guest,
Who quoted you this stud fee and/or how may I/we get in touch with them? If you prefer not to post, please email me @ bbryan@educationalproducts.com.
Thanks,
Brandon Bryan

Dear Ralph,

Ansata Sinan has accomplished a lot in Europe. Some years ago he was THE straight Egyptian stallion in Europe. First he won in the United States as a youngster. He was Junior Champion Colt at The Egyptian Event and Reserve Supreme Champion. Then he came to Europe and was Europen Junior Champion Stallion and Reserve Junior World Champion Stallion among other titles. Of course he won at the Egyptian Event Europe as well.
Then his first babys hit the ground. And what foals that were! Wow, they won literally everything.
Intersting to know, he sired not a very large group of foals; he never was "cheap".
Just a few of his get to give you an idea:

Eternity Ibn Navarrone - Junior World Champion Stallion, Paris 1999 (many more titles)
*he already sired a European Junior Champion Filly and other international winning get
Sinans Pascha - Reserve Junior World Champion Stallion, Paris 1999 (many more titles)
Egyptian Asinah - Reserve Junior Champion Filly, Egyptian Event Europe 1999
Kamil Ibn Sinan - Junior Champion Colt, Egyptian Event Europe 1999
Mishaal HP - "Gold" Stallion, German Stallion Show 1999
Mutair HP - Junior National Champion Stallion, Germany 1999
Bint Deladiva - Junior National Champion Filly, Germany 1999 (and many more titles in recent times)
Khidar - European Senior Champion Stallion 2002 and Reserve World CHampion Stallion, Paris 2002
Kamsin Rodan - Reserve Junior Champion Colt, Asil Cup 2000 + Israeli National Junior Champion Colt 2001
Sinan Al Rayyan - Reserve International Champion Colt, Qatar 2002

These are just a few, from the top off my head.
Ansata Sinan is for sure worth a studfee of US $ 5 000.
He was and remains a true classic and one of the few very prepoten sires.
Go and visit Ansata, they have a lot of his foals, many of them sold into the Middle East, they are outstanding.
His son Ansata Nile Nadir was the one everyone was talking about after the Egyptian Event.

Actually I was just told by a client his fee is 7500.00 and this client has had no problems booking mares-is sending 3 to him this year.

Hi Dennis:

Thanks for your explanations about Ansata Sinan. I had forgotten that Khidar is a son of this horse. So, Ansata Sinan has sired Eternity Ibn Navarrone, Sinans Pascha, and Khidar...all Paris winners. Very impressive.

I believe for Europe what you say. That he represented an opportunity to use bloodline combinations that are not as readily available in Europe as they are in the USA. Sinan is an opportunity to tap into Prince Fa Moniet, Ansata Halim Shah, Sameh, and Bukra, all in one horse. And like I said before, he is a pretty horse.

However, in the USA, we have more sources of this blood, at much lower pricing. Maybe that is the difference. I still maintain that $5000 is a lot of money for a stud fee, in these days when horses are not only hard to sell but when they do, they sell for not a whole heck of a lot of money. I guess at that pricing, you better be sure that you breed an extremely high quality mare to him, to make the most of the investment.

On a separate note, and it is not fair to discuss it here, because people might think that statements made about the general stallion population and stud fee pricing might in fact be statements reflecting the horse Ansata Sinan AND THEY ARE NOT but I really believe that the time has come, at least in the USA to discourage people from standing so many mediocre stallions at such ridculous pricing. Especially stallions without any achievements other than their pedigree. THAT will ultimately destroy the breed. Maybe that is a subject for another thread.

Thanks Again Dennis...I enjoy reading your posts, they have always something good to learn in them.

Dear Ralph,

Ansata Sinan is one of my favourite horses in the world, even before I saw him I fell in love with this picture that was published in the AHW. From then on I knew I was going to have something with this horse, 6 months later I met Vera Stoessel in Qatar and another 3 months later Sinan was with me in Belgium. We had good times together, he was a very pleasanth horse that needed attention 24h round clock, maybe typicall for a milk bottle baby! I miss him dearly and I hope he's fine were ever he is now, I was told different opinions! 7500USD is sure a lot and I don't really think any horse is worth that, even not my beloved Sinan. The mares he bred were all these champions came from are super mares of outcrossed - non straight egyptian blood, he works briljant with that. On the straight he did ok in the colts but not as spectacular. His daughters are in my opinion a class less Egyptian Asinah being the best I saw. It's a shame this horse hasn't been used more, I'm sure if he was still in Europe this stallion would really revolutionise the breed. As the owner ones published: An Architect of a new generation! I think yes but not given the proper chance!!! A shame live go's on but here are some pictures for you to enjoy this amasing horse.

Best Regards, Bart.

Sinan 2.

Happy days in Arkansas: Peter and Vera Stoessel - the owners.

Sinan 4.

Sinan 5.

Photo Erwin Escher

Richard Sanders with Ansata Sinan and little brother Ansata Iemhotep.

Sinan. - foto by Sparagowski.

Ansata Sinan and me behind! At Kauber Platte were we won and later got disqualified for excesive winning!

Carola cathing a funny moment, he has plenty of those!

A picture from Sinan waiting in the front arena in Aachen, by Carola.

Ansata Sinan as a 3 year old with me in Belgium. Isn't that an amasing face for such a young horse, I wonder how it looks now like? Didn't see him for seven years!

Head and Neck as a 3 year old!

As a four years old!

Again as a four years old, this picture by Rik Van Lent Jr as well as the previous three.

One of the last happy days with him at Arminta Farm with the team, celebrating his European Junior champion and reserve World junior champion title and Victoria II Hps Nations Cup junior champion and reserve world junior champion title.

One month later he left one of the toughest days in my life! But the memories remain.

Dear Bart,


Ansata Sinan´s grandioses photos!!


THANKS!!!!!


Best Regards,

Marianella

As far as I know, Ansata Sinan is ONLY available for breeding through frozen semen, from some big AI station in Belgium. But that still doesn't give any clue to where he is now!

Dear Bart,

Thankyou for the lovely photo's and memories.

Dear Bart

Thank you so much for all this wonderful pictures you share with us.

Sinan is available with fresh cooled shipped semen in the US. If you are serious about purchasing a breeding contact Joe Polo. Joe has a contract with Sinan's owners to sell 10 breedings at $ 500.00 US Funds.

$500.00 USD? You must mean five grand.

Yes, very sorry. $ 5000.00 US funds. Sorry for the mistake, I'm sure many of of wish it WAS $ 500.00

I do agree with some of the points made by Ralph and Bart concerning stud fees. Of course it's up to every stallion owner to decide for themselves what they want to take as a stud fee. But sometimes I just get the idea that it's simply a matter of prestige to have an unaffordable stud fee, as some people think that the most expensive horse is automatically the best producer! I nearly choked when I heard that Ansata Ibn Sudan's stud fee was $15000. Nothing against the horse, but that's just way over the top, in my opinion. On the other side, the two stallions who have probably produced the most champions in Europe, Monogramm and Kubinec, are both available at a stud fee of $3000. That at least gives a non-millionaire breeder the chance to use a world-class stallion too, without going bankrupt!

When Ibn Sudan was standing at stud, $15,000 was not an uncommon stud fee, especially for a U.S. National Champion stallion. At that time well bred Arabian foals were bringing hundreds of thousands of dollars the day they were born. Big farms had waiting lists and had only to pick up the phone to make the sale. Times have changed, the prices of foals have changed and stud fees with it.

By the time I was ready to breed to Ansata Halim Shah, his stud fee had gone down to $7500 and later was reduced to $5000. Who would gladly pay that and more now to breed to this horse, since he is no longer available?

Generally a stud fee should represent a certain percentage of the expected price of a foal. How much more would you pay for a foal from Sinan, as opposed to another good stallion, if the foals were of equal quality?

Dear Barbara,

Interesting question! Salaa El Dine is 2500USD (approx) I think thats very reasonable and fair. 5000USD for Sinan who I dearly love but havent seen a straight egyptian daughter win from in the show arena, neither a top title for a straight egyptian son is in my opinion then if you compare it over the top!

But thats just my opinion, I might not know the market value of horses these days in the States that well!?

All the Best, Bart.

I know some stallions of that era where upwards of 30.000$ stud fees..AHHH yes those where the days..The days of the glorious tax writeoff.But I digress. Nothing has changed on the Se scene..As seen as an exclusive enclave by most...Thats ok because the most noteworthy arabs I have seen, had egyptian blood to put the beauty in ,and the other lines put robust solid body structure on....