Hiya, I think someone might have posted about this stallion before but i can't remember.
I was going through some old stuff I have from when I was 14 and was about to buy my first horse/arabian and I remember that I enquired about two mares by Fahim Hisan but they were out of my price range.
I have not heard anything about this horse or his progeny for ages..... anyone have any info they would like to share??

Fahim Hisan (Bahim Hisan X Nagiba) 1981 was bred by Glennloch Farms and imported into the Uk in 1986. He sired 41 foals in the UK prior to being exported to the Emirates, but to the best of my knowledge no SE's. According to the AHA datasource he has sired 7 foals registered in the Emirates but no SE's there either. The last foal was born in 1998. Hope this helps

Mike

Thanks Mike.... did you ever see him in the flesh, was he a good looking horse? I only ever remember seeing one photo of him.

Hi Michelle, He wasn't really my cup of tea and there were other SE stallions available at the time in the UK which I preferred and bred to.

Mike

Dear Michelle

As with Mike, he wasn't really my cup of tea either. He was a bit Anlo looking and I seem to remember rather long in the leg and ligh in bone. I did see one filly by him who was nice although she was also a bit light and leggy but I preferred her to him. I am told that the filly (mare now) was put to several very good stallions and produced rubbish every time but I can't confirm that as I don't know the owners and haven't seen the mare for several years.

Regards

Barbara

Hi MIke
you are so correct again. But his offsprings are racing in the UAE and doing well, I was told.

He is a wellbred SE, a hadban Enzahi by strain, going into the famous Sheherezade line. He also carries the fabulousn"Mashhour" blood and indeed should be most athletic by genetic value
alone.
He is a straight Gleannloch breeding- blue list-.Amazing, that Se breeders totally overlooked this stallion.

Hansi

Dear Mike and Barbara.

By what standards, comparrison where you judging him?
He came to England as a 5yer old, not developed yet, to mature at age 10-12. where you able then to properly analize SEs and their bloodlines for maturity?

Bahim Hisan was a powerful horse, beautiful and quite correct.
Even Annhaeuser Bush used him in their advertisment.

His dam Nagiba was by Ibn Al Hassan, a US top Ten Champion, the latter which I foaled in MY QUARANTINE Dec.5/1970 out of the elegant Bint BintElSamraa. He was a georgeous colt and very correct.

It is so sad, that so little is known of many an ancestor of some excellent SEs. I had no idea, how little really is known.

It is sadder even, that those who knew the proper details of such horses, never mentioned it, but only promoted their own interests.
And gleannloch of course, never, ever once behaved other than "Humble". I guess that will tell you a lot also about the quality of some people and their selfish ideas.

Mike, I think we all should be more careful, and try to determine how some horses grew up and what they did and their offspring.
I am always a bit weary, when I see an undeveloped youngster,
but looking at their ancestor take the time to wait and see.

Have a grand evening
Hansi

I owned Cumbria Night Lace a solid black mare with no white. She was 15.2 hands and by Fahim Hisan. I sold her last Autumn in foal to a lady in Hampshire.

Hi Hansi,

Fahim Hisan was as you pointed out a very well bred horse, and middle eastern breeders are not in the habit of buying and importing bad horses as a rule. I think however it is fair to say that so far as his stay in the UK was concerned, he was imported and used rather more because of his colour than for any other reason. Beauty is of course in the eye of the beholder and whilst I remember a correct horse of good size he seemed unremarkable in comparison to the likes of Rouse Nefous, Naazim, AK El Sennari, Shaji and a couple of years later MA Alishah, Kerim Shah, Nile Bequest and Al Hakkim, both as a horse and as a sire, though this is of course merely my own personal opinion.

Mike

Hi Michelle,
You could have a look on the website of Cumbria arabians, they have pictures and gets of Fahim Hisan.
Don't remember the website adress, sorry...
have a nice day
Clothilde

Dear Mike

I just looked at the webside of Cumbria Arabians and noticed, that he sired endurance champion, etc. the photo of him is a bit small, so I cant analyze it. The breeder obviously is successfull, not just in breeding black, but producing usefull, lovely Arabian horses. So what is more important, a beautiful ornament or a handsome functional arabian horse, the latter obviously in demand internationally.

To do endurance racing or flat racing is not exactly a picnic, and one needs a sound good horse to be successfull in it.
Now how many halter champions you know you feel could compete?
Possibly you have one? I think there are more people out there wanting a riding horse than one just to look at. What do you think?


Have a nice day
Hansi

Hi Hansi,

I am not particularly concerned with trying to breed halter champions and it must now be 15 years or so since we last showed a horse in a halter class. I am however interested in breeding correct, substantial horses with quality and exceptional movement, which just happen to be SE and typey if not necessarily "pretty" I will admit that most of the photo's on our website are headshots, the reason being that my hands shake so much that the full body movement shots I would much rather take are completely beyond my ability with a camera. A filly we bred would indeed have been shown in-hand this year by her owner and would I think have done well, however as the filly died last month, we shall never know. The owner will be breeding two mares to the sire of the filly she lost later this year. I have no plans to show in any halter classes myself.

Rouse Nefous also sired very successful endurance horses as well as racehorses by the way.

There was nothing wrong with Fahim Hisan as an excellant functional riding horse, he just didn't have the quality or movement that I look for in a breeding horse. But again that is purely my own opinion.

Mike

Der Mike

I never saw the horse in the flesh, but saw his sire and he was an excellent mover. He also had wonderful substance and if you had seen him, would know what I am talking about.

Take care
Hansi

I have one of Fahim Hisan's foals. His name is LDR Allegiance and I absolutley love him. He was a stallion til he was 12 when I then bought him. I have owned his for about 8 years. I started eventing him years ago and he was flashy in dressage. He is getting older now but is still eventing at the lower levels.
As for Hisan, I don't know much about him either, except that he produces beautiful offspring.

Hi Crystal,

I believe that the LDR prefix is from Langan's Driftwood Ranch in Beaverlodge, Alberta, Canada. I know that Sheryl Langan stood this horse for a while many years ago, before there were a lot of SE mares in that part of the world. That may be why he has NO SE registered get in North America. I don't remember how old he was when Sheryl got him, nor how long she had him. She is the one who exported the horse, I believe, but please correct me if I am wrong. I have no records to go by and this is strictly by memory! (which can sometimes fade a bit! LOL)
Jeannette

One of my stallions is a Fahim Hisan grandson, and he - like his dam, Abnoos by Fahim Hisan - is an *exceptional* mover. Were he the sort of big horse people look for today, and we were inclined to put him in the hands of a professional trainer, he would go a long way in-hand, I'm sure. The only foal we have had from him so far is also an exceptional mover (also black!) and will go far under saddle as a top gelding.

Fahim Hisan put a top-class shoulder, long clean neck and deep heart girth onto Abnoos, something which far too many SEs are sadly lacking. I would thoroughly recommend him to anyone looking to rectify these problems in their own stock.

Fortunately, our early SE stallions such as Saab, Marawaan, The Shah, Kehir Alla, KaisI EAO as well as Rouse Nefous were not chosen solely for pretty heads: they were selected for their ability to provide overall refinement AND be correct horses, with a performance background as well. This has been amply proved by the success of their offspring in endurance, racing, hunter trials etc as well as the ridden showring.

Mike, when I saw Rouse Nefous and Saab together at Claverdon, despite being a Bason fan, I personally preferred Saab as he seemed the better balanced horse to me.

Basilisk

Dear Hansi:
This is not amazing to me. The proof of the pudding is not a pedigree or that he is Gleannloch breeding but how he looks and performs and his quality as a sire. Genetic and pedigree are not everything. It's the horse tself that counts. Just my opinion of course. I knew his sire Bahim Hisan and he was nothing but was black and that gained some interest in him.