Jul 12 2006, 09:27 PM
I was searching some pedigrees and found under "Kumir", sire of russian race horse wonder "Vatican" the term: thoroughbred. All ancestors aer not known by me, no pics, just one in the 4th generation - "Aquino" - has a photo - far away of arabian type and habitus.
How it comes that Mirok Monelou is an arabian or is the whole sireline of Kumir wrong written in the allbreedpedigreedatabase?
Or are some doubts about this pedigree?
Interested in your answers
Jul 12 2006, 10:12 PM
Jul 12 2006, 10:27 PM
the allbreedpedigree site is very useful but be aware - the pedigrees are entered by individuals not by stud book authorities, they are not authenticated in any way and there are are many many mistakes. People can also edit pedigrees and make them correct again - or, maybe, make them incorrect! 'All breed' means what it says - ALL horse breeds that anyone cares to add, so it is easy for someone to select in error the "wrong" Kumir as there may be many horses of the same name from different breeds.
Jul 13 2006, 05:48 AM
Allbreedpedigree is a good source for research for those who have already studied more reliable pedigree sources (like stud books for example). For unexperienced users it can be confusing. After you had added a horse you need to decide which possible sire/dam you'd like to associate with it. If there are many possible sires/dams than it's getting difficult and many horse are linked to wrong parents. That's why I have my own database. Well, I am using allbreedpedigree too but if there are differences in pedigree I will rely more on stud books etc.
Jul 13 2006, 06:02 AM
That may be caused by the lack of knowledge of the correct English vocabulary of a non-native English speaker. In Dutch eg we use the same word for the arab and the ET, roughly translated by.... thoroughbred. For the arab we just add the word "arab" before thoroughbred. In German an "Araber" also includes a partbred. That is the problem when you translate words, they may not cover the same meaning, even though the translation is technically correct. And, living in a foreign country, I am confronted with this phenomenon all the time! Also, not everybody's English is perfect, not even that of native speakers
Jul 13 2006, 08:49 AM
Allbreed is full of errors. Some my be caused accidentally others deliberately, I claim. A while ago, so many names of horses didn't match the pedigree that I think someone had a little fun in changing the data in order to tease people....
Jul 30 2006, 11:21 AM
Sorry, was offline for a while. Thanks for your answers - this was what I thougt too.
But as I have no own horse with the pedigree of Kumir - my question is:
the ancestors of Kumir, how they are in the allbreedpedigree database, are these the ones of the pure bred arabian KUMIR or is there maybe an english TB KUMIR with this ancestors?
Thanks for answers and helping
Jul 30 2006, 02:23 PM
Kumir is Mak x Kapella and according to me it is correctkly enetered in the Allbreed Database.
Aug 15 2006, 02:30 PM
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