Anyone have any news on the Polish show/sale?

Why are they not having the race this year?

look at ablackhorse for show results

I know that....wondering if anyone here is taking photos, would share personal accounts, etc.

Best in Show
Gaskonia

Polish National Senior Champion Stallion and Reserve
Gaspar (Emigrant-Gaskonia/Probat)
Grafik (Eukaliptus-Gaskonia/Probat)

Polish National Senior Champion Mare and Reserve
Gaskonia (Probat-Gizela/Palas)
Emanda (Ecaho-Emanacja/Eukaliptus)

Polish National Junior Champion Mare and Reserve
Sefora (Ekstern-Sawantka/Pepton)
Emandoria (Gazal Al Shaqab-Emanda/Ecaho)

Class 7- 9-years old and older stallions
1. Grafik (Eukaliptus-Gaskonia/Probat) 92
2. Album (Europejczyk-Alejka/Palas) 91
3. Ostragon (Pers-Osełka/Palas) 91
4. Emrod (Emigrant-Empressa/Probat) 90,33

Class 6 - 4-8-years old stallions
1. Gaspar (Emigrant-Gaskonia/Probat) 93,33
2. Aslan (Eukaliptus-Algora/Probat) 92,33
3. Poganin (Laheeb-Pohulanka/Pepton) 91
4. Esparto (Ekstern-Ekspozycja/Eukaliptus) 91
5. Perseusz (Laheeb-Pepesza/Eukaliptus) 90,33

Class 5 - 11-years old and older mares
1. Gaskonia (Probat-Gizela/Palas) Michałów 93,67
2. Embra (Monogramm-Emilda/Pamir) 93
3. Kwestura (Monogramm-Kwesta/Probat) 93
4. Eutona (Eutogram-Euterpe/Probat) 92
5. Zagrobla (Monogramm-Zguba/Enrilo) 92

Class 4 - 7-10-years old mares
1. Emanda (Ecaho-Emanacja/Eukaliptus) 93
2. Pianosa (Eukaliptus-Pinia/Probat) 92
3. Emmona (Monogramm-Emiliada/Pamir) 92
4. Espadrilla (Monogram-Emanacja/Eukaliptus) 91,33
5. Pilar (Fawor-Pipi/Banat) 91

Class 3b - 4-6-years old mares
1. Palmeta (Ecaho-Pilica/Fawor) 92
2. Emesa (Laheeb-Etopka/Eukaliptus) 92
3. Siklawa (Laheeb-Siewka/Eldon) 90
4. Efuzja (Emigrant-Elfina/Pamir) 89,33
5. Ariadne (Laheeb-Argentyna/Partner) 89

Class 3a - 4-6-years old mares
1. Alhambra (Ecaho-Albigowa/Fawor) 91,33
2. Palanga (Ekstern-Panika/Eukaliptus) 91
3. Missouri (Wachlarz-Mina/Monogramm) 91
4. Gilardia (Ekstern-Girlanda/Eukaliptus) 90,33
5. Wieżyca (Ekstern-Wipera/Fawor) 90

Class 2 - two years old fillies
1. Emandoria (Gazal Al Shaqab-Emanda/Ecaho) 92
2. Ejrene (Gazal Al Shaqab-Emocja/Monogramm) 90,33
3. Pistoria (Gazal Al Shaqab-Palmira/Monogramm) 90,33
4. Ekina (Ekstern-Eklera/Ecacho) 89,33
5. Pernila (Gazal Al Shaqab-Pepesza/Eukaliptus) 89

Class 1b - yearling fillies
1. Pinta (Ekstern-Pilar/Fawor) 90,33
2. Agusta (Piaff-Albigowa/Fawor) 89,67
3. Altamira (Ekstern-Altona/Eukaliptus) 89,67
4. Cenoza (Ekstern-Celna/Alegro) 88,33
5. Wieża Snów (Emigrant-Wieża Babel/Laheeb) 88

Class 1a - yearling fillies
1. Sefora (Ekstern-Sawantka/Pepton) 92
2. Eksterna (Ekstern-Emanta/Pamir) 90
3. Emiriona (Grafik-Emmona/Monogramm) 88,33
4. Echo Afrodyta (Piaff-Echo Kalisto/Pamir) 88
5. Biruta (Ekstern-Bajada/Pamir) 86,67

Complete scores here: http://www.janow.arabians.pl/en/shows/cj-2006/

is there anywhere a live stream to find like last year? I´ve only found a standing pic, actual every minute in the moment :-(

There was a live stream yesterday from the show. I'm pretty sure there will be one from the auction tonight as well! The link will be found on the same page as the link to the webcam.

thank you for the info!

The live stream is on!
Click here: http://www.prideofpoland.pl/en/

Last night there were some problems with the sound. Hope it's OK tonight.

210.000 for Espadero.......Sold.

to Australie

To Which stud in australia does anyone know?

And Pilica? Where has she gone?

The Aussie buyer is Kings Estate Arabians! They made a HUGE presence!

I don't know if it was Kind Estate who bought these horses.
I think Adam and David were overy there buying for clients. I don't know for sure,
but this is just what I have heard.

link to where horses were sold www.prideofpoland.pl/pl/

As you can see many of the horses are coming to Australia, which is very exciting for breeders and enthusiasts here down under. It's one of the places I would go shopping if I had the money. And many of these horses have proved their soundness from being tested on the track which is great.

Cheers

Liz

Who was Adam & David buying for does anyone know?????

Perhaps Caballo Arab???

Great news for Australia cant wait to see the horses down under.

Unfortunately I don't know who they were buying for or if they were buying for themselves. The only other stud which comes to mind is Coolinda Park as they breed pure polish Arabians. But I don't know.
Time will tell I guess. I just think that its wonderful that these horses are coming to Oz. I wish them and their new owners the best of luck. I hope to meet some of them. Adam has a very good eye, so I'm sure they will have picked out good ones (although it'd be hard not to as they all look pretty wonderful to me!) Hopefully they we will be able to view them at an open day or even better in the showring.

Cheers

Liz

I am to believe it is for a new client from melbourne new to the industry

Then the new client has taste and good judgement. And has not been swayed by marketing hype of some of the more outrageous US studs/marketers . A truely positve outcome for Aust

Janow Podlaski 2006

http://www.voltahorse.pl/print.php?what=article&id=2511

I wish the Aussie buyers and breeders all the best. They truly ended up with the creme de la creme of the sale and I would be lying if I didn't say I was green with envy . 13 lots including Hula and Gehenna and the stunning boys Wiliam and Espadero. I'd be in horse heaven if I could have that level of quality in my barn. The genetic prepotence of the dam line on most of the horses they bought brings much promise and potential.

Good Luck!

DebC

Is EMROD sold???

emrod is not sold

There are some photos of the horse at the show and one of the stallions sold to Australia on this website (page 6):

http://www.ablackhorse.com/forums/index.ph...ic=10657&st=100

Hopefully more information is released on these exciting new horses.

oouuuhhh... I am intrigued come on guest spill the beans ...lol... are the horses coming to Vic?

ally

my information is they will all be at king estate

I think most of the mares are in foal too, so possible more stallions of this breeding later on. Ihope one of them at least will be offered at public stud.
Wiliam's sire Endel looks gorgeous as does he.
Hopefully Adam will be able to show some of them too.

I would have loved to have been there - the feeling must be like going to heaven

Its amazing how many fantastic horses they have in poland.

Emrod was sold just before the sale, at its reserve price.

The buyer is from Bali (Indonesia) where he owns some hotels. He will send the horses to Australia.
Sorry that many people are so not well informed about Poland event.
And between us, breeding Pure Polish not being in Poland is an invitation to fail....

Richard wrote "And between us, breeding Pure Polish not being in Poland is an invitation to fail.... "

That nasty and offensive remark displays astonishing bias, ignorance and stupidity. It is just plain wrong. Or are you just jealous? Maybe you have failed, but others around the world have not. The fact is that breeders large and small all over the world who have done their homework - in USA, South America, the Middle East countries, Britain, Sweden, and many other countries in Europe - have bred countless top quality "pure Polish" horses, as well as outright champions - in halter, ridden showing, racing and endurance - from their imported Polish horses. That's like saying you can't breed Crabbets outside UK, Spanish outside Spain, Russian outside Russia, SE outside Egypt, American outside USA and so on.

Please, folks, do not understand it wrongly...
It tried to say that even if you bred very good PP outside Poland the final result will never considered the same PP if they were bred in Poland. Money terms.
I explain: this buyer could buy better PP horses outside Poland (and buy better stallions than Espadero and William) but he bought all the aura of buying in Poland (and paid the bill for it).
In the future, when he will show the "filly" by Espadero out of Gehenna, he will be 8th at her class and when he decides to sell her, the market will pays some money (like 15.000 US$) on her.
Very easy to understand my point now. Or not?
Richard

Is Emrod sold before the auction to the one from Indonesia?

No, he was sold to a French breeder (like myself).
Richard

Sorry, Richard
I don't understand what you mean by telling that. Are you kidding?

Why could we see him in ring during the auction? Why auctionman wanted to sell him during the auction?

What Richard said is very true, it is very easy to get caught up in the hype of the Auction. The fact they these horses do come from the Polish studs will cary some weight for some time, particularly in a county like Australia, but the reality is horses of equal quality and pedigree could have been purchased else where for a fraction of the price If this buyer is knew to Arabians, I feel a little concerned as he will have a hard time recouping his money.

He would have been better investing this money in Straight Egyptians IMO.

Well you are all crackers ???

Richard

You can breed a beautiful horse wether its a SE or a PP anywhere in the world.

How ever no one can have the knoledge or understanding of what and how to breed there own types of Arabian in there respective countries.

So yes the Polish will breed better PP more consistantly and the middle east will breed more SE consistantly.


there were actually 3 buyers from oz

Emrod is most defiantly not going to oz or bali

As usual people speak rubbish about stuff they do not understand as they were not there and are passing on 3rd hand info.

tag !?

I think I would agree. Way back when Lasma was in its heyday, they bought a mare I think it was Jingle Bell at a Friendship Farms auction. They resold this mare in their own auction for quite a bit more money. No doubt they could do the same with any horse at that time and of that era.

Even today I think a good resale price of progeny and a good placing at the shows would result if the person buying these excellent horses at the Polish auction already has fame money and reputation. I would like to think I am wrong, but the little guy has a tough time of it.

What fantastic news for Australia, and a dream come true for Adam, I wish I had been there to share their excitement.

Cheers
Jenni

What is PURE POLISH, can someone explain that? When I breed my mare born in Poland and exported to Germany to a straight Egyptian stallion what do I get? A "pure Polish" foal or an "Egyptian ired" foal?
When the Polish studs use the straight Egyptian stallions Laheeb and Al Maraam on their mares they still poducing "pure polish" horses in Poland! So waht is a pure polish horse other than an Arabian BRED in Poland....?!?!

Crackers

You said there were actually 3 buyers from Australia. Could you tell us who they were?

David

I really do not understand this discussion at all .
If people buy the type of arabian horse they do prefer,
wherever it may be , why critizising that.
At previous auctions high prices have been paid as well,
sometimes even higher, mostly from US buyers.
If it is wise from the "business" , point of view,maybe not,
but I strongly hope, breeding arabians still for some
people has something to do with passion, personal
preferences, and not only looking at the purchase
of horses from the "return on investment" standpoint.
I myself have been wondering , if the gap between
5.000.- Euro and 180.000.- Euro has been justified
by the differences in quality of horses/pedigrees
concerned. On the other hand, there always is
a market value and a "personal" value, and
sometimes these two DO differ.

helen ruttlandy
adam king
And an older couple from the n/e australia whom sat with Mr King

To whom of them did Pilica go?

The State Studs of Poland run an open breeding program. They choose the horses they wish to use. They are not bound by definitions of foundation stock or prior breeding programs. They do seek to perserve both sire and dam lines and in that sense they are a preservationist breeding group.

Korona, the Polish Breeders Organization, has defined Pure Polish to mean any horse bred by one of the Polish State Studs, or any horse that descends in all lines from a horse bred by one of the Polish State Studs or a stallion used in the Polish State Studs who bred on in Poland through either a son or a daughter.

LAHEEB is now considered a Pure Polish stallion of course he remains a Straight Egyptian stallion. MONOGRAMM and GAZAL AL SHAQAB are also now considered Pure Polish stallions even though they were not Pure Polish before they were used in Poland.

The value Polish breeders place in the offspring of the Polish State Studs is that they are horses which descend from a breeding program well over 200 years old and which been managed by skilled and dedicated horsemen for that entire time.

People come from around the World to purchase these horses because of the carefull breeding they descend from. There is no other program in the World that has this length and depth.

PILICA (Fawor X Pipi by Banat) went to Australia also.

Maybe someone can post us the results of the auction ( Wich horses are sold, new owner.....)
Thanxxx

You ask for, you have it:
http://www.prideofpoland.pl/en/sale/index.php?d=horses2006

Thank you

Thanks for the link, but it only says to which country the horses were sold - does anyone know who the USA buyers were?