Both my mares have crosses to this stallion. All I know about him is that I read somewhere he was a gift to the Tersk stud in Russia.

Any of you have things you can tell me, pictures to show, stuff like that? I'd be most appreciative.

Hi,

I believe the EAO presented him to the Russian Government Stud in 1963. Although he's had a tremendous influence in the Arabian breed, I don't think he has any SE offspring.

Attached is a photo of him from the Russian Studbook. Depending on what kind of info you're looking for, I'll be glad to do some hunting for you.

Beth

ASWAN
(Nazeer x Yosreia) 1958 - 1984

Part one

If you stand in the big entrance at Tersk, looking to the stallion stables, you see two life-sizebronze sculptures - Aswan and Naturshitsa.

Rafaat (renamed Aswan by the Russians) was the biggest lucky shot for Tersk. In 1963, as the Aswan High Dam was completed on the upper Nile, the Egyptian government used the stallion as a thank-you gift to the U.S.S.R. for its financial support in the building of the dam. In the beginning they didn't know exactly what to do with such a dainty and typey stallion, but his grace and beauty fit the athletic ability and correct conformation of the Tersk mares. He transmitted his incomparable type to his descendants, as well as racing ability, which he inherited from his father Nazeer, one of the best race horses in Egypt.......

I send it the complete article of Arabians Dreams by e-mail.


Photo by Scott Trees

His finest daughter Navarra born 1980 out of Nesravnennaja.

Photo:© Tom Koehli

My girls are related to him this way:

Weneta, my gray mare, is his great-granddaughter, as Palas is her grandsire. One of the things I find interesting about her pedigree, is she is of one of those crosses highly desired for Polish horses, in that she is a Bandos daughter, out of a Palas daughter.

Semmi (Seminolewindd WA) my bay mare, is related a little further back, through Partner, whose dam Parma was an Aswan daughter.

Anyone have any pics of Yosreia to share too? I'd love to see them as well.

Howdy,

Aswan was one of six full siblings sired by Nazeer and out of Yosreia (Sheikh El Arab x Hind by Ibn Rabdan). He was a grey Hadban Enzahi foaled in 1958. Two of his full brothers, Yazid - a chestnut foaled in 1954 and Shamshoon - a bay foaled in 1957, left no registered foals. Yasir, the final brother and a chestnut stallion foaled in 1953 left only one foal but she was a straight Egyptian daughter Manal, out of Bint Fathia by Nazeer, who bred on in Egypt.

Aswan's two full sisters were much more prolific. The oldest one, Shahrzada - a chestnut foaled in 1955, left straight Egyptian progeny in three countries; Egypt, the US and Canada. Shahrzada's best known offspring were the full sisters by Anter, *Dawlat and *Serenity Shahra and the Sameh daughter, *Serenity Sabra. *Dawlat was a legendary producer for the Douglas's at Gleannloch Farms in Texas, producing the national winners Dalul and Doriah, both by *Morafic. The Serenity mares were both imported by noted breeder Hansi Heck and had prolific breeding careers at both Serenity Farms and later at Imperial Egyptian Stud in Maryland.

One could fill volumes regarding the champions and valuable producers Aswan sired during his 20 some year reign at Tersk. His daughters and sons were equally legendary producersthat bred on virtually every continent in the world. Some of his better crosses were out of daughters of *Salon, Naseem, Priboj, Arax and Nil. From seeing several of his offspring imported to America, and dozens of photos and some video footage, I'd say Aswan's strong points he bred on were an elegant face with a large eye, good size, a short back and a powerful, albeit slightly straight, shoulder. His downside were his front legs as he appeared to have short, steep canon bones and many of his offspring had offset canons as well. Judiciously bred, Aswan has a lot to offer breeders.

Jim Robbins
R-Farm

Is it confirmed that Aswan has no SE progeny?? I guess most are referred to as russian aren't they??

Pic of Yosreia found online at Chevauz Arabes.

Good morning everybody

Jim
You said, Aswan's cannon bones were straight, short and steep. I never heard of such definition.
the photos I saw showed his cannon bones as short and well set in. He was a hadban Enzahi.

I was given to understand by Doug Marshall in 1967, that Aswan was originally sold to a lady in California and paid for. However Nasser gave the stallion to Russia as correctly stated- a gift. He indeed never produced an SE offspring, because Russia did not have any SE mares at that time.

Many people declared him Super sire of the Century. He produced multiple race champions and produced equally excellent daughters and sons. Here in the USA I refer to
Magnat, Procent, Marsianin, Narada, Makat, Mag, Nankin,
Peshora, Panorama, Nariadnaia,and in Canada Negaa,
Kapriza, Paluba, to mentioned a few.

Serenity Shahra's dam "Sharzada" (1955) was a full sister to Aswan and won three years in the row Produce of Dam champion together with Serenity Sabra. She also won 3times Supreme champion mare, defeating every entry at the show, i.e. Stallion and Gelding Champions.
We highly treasured this line and preserved it as of this date here at our farm. A full sister to Serenity .Shahra- namely Gleannlochs Dawlat was also a multiple champion and producer of the the legendary Dalul by Morafic.

While this line is not only very beautiful, type, tall, elegant
it also is extremely ahtletic, with enormous strides (reach)
and speed. But this can also be noted in the offspring of Aswan, obviously. It is most fortunate that other nations, such as the Netherlands, Germany, UK, the UAE, etc. treasure this bloodline and continue breeding some fine horses. I guess we simply cant overlook "Nazeer" can we now!

have a wonderful day

Hansi

Foaled March 13, 1958
EAO #150
RASB #1379
Grey Stallion


"Aswan is a typical Siglavi in type, but big, standing 15.2hh. Aswan was
given to Russia in 1964 as a gift from the Egyptian government. He has
been a fine producer for the Tersk Stud, Of over 200 foals, 30 daughters
have joined the brood mare program".

Thank you for all the information! Another great Straight Egyptian, Sheykh Obeyd Hadban Enzahi Stallion...And the mares listed above as siblings are also Sheykh Obeyd. They sure were great producers. The world is a better place because they had such outstanding foals.

Hansi,

It was early, obviously before coffee, when I typed that post. I meant to say short, upright pasterns (grinning). I should have proofread it before I posted it. I did check datasource and Aswan, according to their information, had no straight Egyptian offspring.

Do you still have any *Khofo daughters? He was one of my favorite *Morafic sons and sired some amazing mares. Whenever I see *Khofo close up in a pedigree the individual usually is tall, elegant, correct and quite typey. What was his best cross when you used him? With the imported Sameh mares?

Jim Robbins
R-Farm

Hi Martipa

Aswan was a Hadban enzahi and judging by the photos I saw, looks like one. Both his sire and dam are Hadban Enzahis. I know, photos can be deceiving.

Have a great day
Hansi
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Hi Jim

I understand, you want to see my eyes, when I get up.

Actually Khofo mated best with Serenity Shahra by antar.
He passed on his tremendous regality too, and the "Eagle Look". Mind you, he mated well with all our other imports too. Klaus Denart, Germany was able to talk us out of our last producing Khofo daughter, Serenity Kalila (1985), a classic, in foal to our deceased Serenity Untouchable and dam of Serenity BtAristu (200o) a brilliant chestnut mare, a young flying machine.

Coming back to Aswan, Jim the photos I have seen do not show short and straight pasterns. they look to me as correct. I never saw Aswan in the Flesh but saw some of his offspring and offspring/offspring, which all had very correct legs and conformation. They for sure were all super athletes too, very fast and most functional.
On the other hand, the Russians always knew what they were doing and breeding, excellent Arabians I must say.

You see a great deal of Khofo in Ruminaja Ali, Alidaar, and many others. They all have that particular "look" in their face, that secure feeling, that regality and I dont think anyone would take abuse, that's when the sparks be flying and they be the winners..

Yes we still have three Khofo daughters, which are old and we let them live their lifes out with us.

Of course, my preference always has been the Hadban Enzahis and the Kuhaylan'ajuz (Rodans).

Have great day
hansi

Some more FYI - from the Russian Studbook.

"Aswan - Type Representation (page 458)

Exotic head, short neck, long but straight shoulder, front legs a little too far forward, slightly offset knees, level croup, high tail carriage, hind legs too straight, questionable function "turn on"."

Also, his entry includes some measurement:

Height at withers - 155 cm
Girth of chest - 173 cm
Girth of cannon bone - 18.5 cm


Beth

Hi Hansi,

That it say in a magazine, I have also doubts.
Some places say different things.
I have seen a place where says Hadban and in other Siglavi .

Best Regards,

Maripa

Hansi,

here a photo of Habdan Enzahi.

Can someone post pics of Nazeer and his ancestors?
Thanks
Christina

This is an interesting topic for me because I bred my Saqlawi mare Marisa to the Mag son TR Magnum Force for a 6/03 foal. She looks a lot like the pic of Aswan. This is a pic of TR Magnum Force. Some interesting horses in these pedigrees. My other mare, Dahloura was bred to the Atticus son TR Black Suede so I am going to get a bunch of the lines under discussion. Will be fun to see the results.


FYI- The US was approached about building the Aswan dam and refused. So many things are changed by a single decision, aren't they?

Good morning Marianela

Well the magazines are wrong. the bloodlines of Aswan femaile Tail starts with "Venus" (1890) . a Hadbah enzahiyah, as does the femail tail line of Nazeer.

Have a nice day
Hansi

Dear Hansi,

Thanks for you explanation.
Several sites of Aswan have different data.

All The Best,

Maripa

Dear Hansi,

Aleksi recovered the discussion on Hadban Enzahi in the old forum.
If it wishes to see it again. Click Here

Best Regards,

Marianella

Hi Jennie,

I was at Tersk in 1981 and took pictures and movies (if i can only remember where I put them!) of Aswan and many of the other horses.

Aswan had a very beautiful head, high tail carriage, and level croup (it did tend to slope upwards towards the tail though). From the sideview, his front legs were quite good, with long forearms, short cannons, large joints, good bone, and nice hoof and pastern angles (I would have to disagree with another poster here about Aswan's pasterns--the angle looked fine to me.) However, from the front view Aswan had offset cannons. He had broken down in the rear legs and was lame when I saw him. He had also become very low in the back. I would say that the description Beth gave from the Russian stud book (the Howard Kale English translation) about his neck was accurate. Overall, he was a very typy horse with some structural flaws. The Russian mares were well-suited to him.

As to Straight Egyptian foals, there actually may have been some, depending on one's definition of Straight Egyptian! I was skimming through the Kale translation of the Russian stud book last night and noticed 2 foals born out of imported Egyptian mares. Whether those mares fall under the Pyramid Society's definition of Straight Egyptian I don't know. Someone may want to check. If I recall correclty (don't bet on it!*g*), one of the mares was Baheega. Now, the Kale book doesn't contain all the horses that the original Russian stud book did. I really need to go back and compare the two. Some imported Egyptian mares, and/or their offspring, were removed from the breeding program (and may not appear in the Kale book) because they were descendants of Sharkasi. This needs further study to determine which horses are or aren't in each book, which imported Egyptian mares Aswan sired foals out of, etc. Hmm, but I think the two mares I noted last night were full siblings (I was pretty tired though, so I'm not at all sure of their relationship this morning).

Melissa
Tessie@sonic.net

Hi Melissa,

Although I know of several mares exported from Egypt to Russia, they all had Sharkasi in their pedigree (including Baheega). But, I'm by no means an expert, so if someone knows of some SEs that went to Russia and were bred to Aswan, please educate!

Beth

THERE IS A STRAIGHT EGYPTIAN MARE BY ASWAN

Aswan was bred to an imported SE mare named Wardah, and the product was Ukhta born in 1976 (I think) Regarding Wardah there is a bit confusion with the pedigree, because when one take a look at the American pedigree CD, she is by Nasralla - but in the Danish studbook, she is by the stallion Shahriar, but both places she is out of the mare Bint Badr.

Anyway Ukhta was a broodmare in Denmark for several years, but only have one SE daughter Bint El Saad(by Bilal son Wesh El Saad) we owned her for some years, and now she is owned by friends of ours, 22 years and still in breeding. She has mainly been used with russian and polish stallions, but in 2000 we and our friend bred her to Dorian Shah El Shams (Shah Nishan x Kisra x Ibn Hafiza), and in 2001 she gave birth to a nice chestnut filly Amira Bint El Shams, which are still with our friend.

So I don't know, but perhaps Amira is the only filly (or only one) which is a SE granddaughter to the great Aswan. I have not been able to find anybody else than Ukhta as a SE daughter by him, and as she only had one SE daughter too, well then perhaps there is only Bint El Saad and her daughter Amira who represent his lines in SE - but I am not sure, but it looks a bit like it, and if any else it must be only a few.

If you have any question you can always mail me privat on ml-arab@tiscali.dk or throught our website www.ml-arab.dk - there you can also see Dorian Shah El Shams who is a father to Amira.

Kindest regards to you all, and best wishes for the 2003 season with your horses.

Majbritt Pedersen
ML ARAB - Denmark

Bred in Egypt, Yes... but Bint Badr was a Shakasi daughter out of Badr who was a Registan daughter. If we are talking about the same mare, born in 1957?

Dear Kimberli

You are absolute right, the mare (Ukhta) I am talking about is with the Sharkasi blod and out of a Registan mare.

So she is an Egyptian in the way that she was bred in Egypt out of two El Zahraa parents. Exported to Russia, then to Sweden and last to Denmark, when she once was bred to the stallion Wesh El Saad (breeder Shams El Asil, Egypt) and this product was the mare Bint El Saad.

Have a nice day

Regards from

Majbritt Pedersen
ML ARAB

Thats interesting news! So that would be how he is so 'Egyptian'... I always thought he was bred at Tersk!

Hi all!
Interesting topic!
I was always told that not Aswan but another was gifted to Russia for helping build the dam.
But this stallion died very early and because of that, the Russians send Aswan as a replacement.

Thats just what I was told!

Talitha

It is interesting the pattern of use of Aswan in Tersk. He was so unlike their Priboj style horses you could see that they weren't sure what to do with him at first. I don't have the Howie Kale book here but I'm sure you can see that in the first year they used him they covered 2 mares. When they saw those foals they covered 10 mares. When they saw those foals they covered loads of mares every year with him until he died !!

The cross was unusual in that it produced outstanding stallions and mares in equally impressive numbers. Palas, (Poland) Kilimanjaro (Germany) Patron ( the States- thro Padron) , Prichal (Brazil) , Numizmat (Holland) , are all stallions who influenced breeding in their respective countries in a very positive way.

The list of great Aswan daughters is almost too long to start, but I think I would crown Panagia as queen.

WOW!

The Aussies must be napping on this topic...

What about the Aswan daughter that founded a dynasty... Naadirah*?

Her descendents still inspire many people into pursuing a love of Arabian horses many years after this great mare's death.

Regards,


Richard Cerveny
Ivahri Arabians

Dear Majbrit

Am just now reading this post. "Nasralla" and "Shahriar" are the same horse.
"Shahriar" is his racing name or visa versa. I recorded him as "Nasralla(Shahriar) (1956) in my database, as I always include all names a horse carried/carries.
The EAO studbook II/p99-128 records him as "Shahriar (Nasralla). therefore the Danes did okay, but left the extra name out.

Hansi
Serenity Arabian Farms

I'm not sure that Aswan was a replacement for NIL. But Nil did die after only one year at stud in Russia. I had one mare in my breeding program with both Aswan and Nil. WOW, she out produced herself EVERYTIME bred.

Emma, I believe you showed Kordelas, for the Reeds. He also has Nil and Aswan in his pedigree. Outstanding Type AND outstanding Performance.