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Saazar
Our breed and association may be having some problems, but it seems the Tennessee Walking Hrse people are really having problems. This is a wonderful, kind easy to ride breed, but has some really bad, unscrupleous people involved in it who continue to cause big prolems. The Walking Horse Celebration ( which is their nationals) are held over Labor Day weekend, eariler in the week some classes were cancelled due to issues with trainers, inspectors and sore horses. It seems to have only gotten worse - they ended up cancelling the final class of the show, the World Grand Championship class because only 3 or the 9 horses passed inspection and the trainers went crazy (apprently don't want to play by the rules and get mad when they are told they have to) - I hope the breed is able to clean itself up and somehow these wonderful horses find some help.

Here is the press release:

Breaking News

About Last Night!
Sunday, September 03, 2006
Copyright WHR 2006



The Walking Horse Report has been told by representatives of the three horses who passed inspection and were eligible for last night’s Grand Championship class that they were willing to show if the class had been called into the ring. The three entries were Rowdy Rev and Bill Bobo, MG Above the Rest and Allen Abee, and A Strong Dollar and Link Webb.

The Report has confirmed that Mike Walden, part owner of Private Charter, offered each of these three entries $10,000 not to show unless all the horses presented for inspection were allowed to show. Five horses entered in the Grand Championship Class had previously been turned down during pre-show inspection.

When Assistant Show Manager Charles McDonald, Vice Chairman David Howard, and State Representative Jim Tracy entered the area adjacent to inspection to check with the three horses eligible to show, Walden and a large crowd of upset people told them that none of the horses were going to show and that he was going to pay them $10,000 in lost winnings for not doing so.

Walden told The Report this morning that he was asked by a group of trainers to raise the money for the three riders so they did not have to show in the class and he agreed to do so. Other people in the crowd shouted encouragement to Walden and offered to put up additional money.

As discussions continued, the crowd encircled the three officials and become more upset and upon the advice of law enforcement, they were escorted out of the area.


The show program had mistakenly listed ten horses for the class when the actual number was nine. It is our understanding that three horses passed inspection, five were turned down, and one did not come to inspection.

After the last class was cancelled and following the lead of Russ Thompson, three of the horses turned down – It’s Billy The Kid, NYPD, and I’m Unarmed – went to Champions Arena adjacent to Calsonic Arena and were joined by a large crowd as they staged their own “horse show.” These riders took turns riding their horses individually and a large and raucous crowd gathered and cheered.
Allen Abee and MG Above The Rest were asked to join the other three horses but returned to Abee’s stable on the showgrounds. In refusing to join the other three horses in Champions Arena, Abee told The Report that he was concerned for the safety of the people and his horse and had to have help getting his horse out of the crowd without hurting anyone.
Private Charter was brought back to Champions Arena but when trainer Knox Blackburn found out he immediately went and brought him back to the barn and he was not exhibited.

None of the other horses turned down returned to Champions Arena despite calls for them to do so.
lionsdenfarm
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It would be nice to know which horse didn't not pass for a specific reason. If the horses were "sored" it would be nice if proper measures were in place and enforced to charge the person in charge of the horse with abuse. Really, as much as I hate them, where are the animal control and humane officers when it comes to abuse at big shows? I know it happens in all breeds but it would be nice to see it stop.

At least it is nice to know that our trainers aren't the only ones who don't like to play by the rules! dry.gif For a while there it seemed like it was only the Arab trainers who were the bad guys in the show ring--or at least got the attention of it.

Tracy
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Really, as much as I hate them, where are the animal control and humane officers when it comes to abuse at big shows?


Is there a reason for the vehement "hate" in terms of animal control and humane officers? I can't imagine anyone that loves horses having bad feelings towards these officers that are there to protect the animals. Seems odd to me? huh.gif
guest
Could somebody please explain what "sored" is,sorry if it is a dumb question, thanks.
Desert Tag Arabians
The abuse that goes on with TWH's is sickening, and I feel the breed itself is suffering the consequences. I cannot understand how so many people can feel it is acceptable to treat animals as this breed has been treated for so many years. While the Arabian breed has its issues with abuse, and it makes me very sad to see such abuse, the TWH has suffered more than any other breed. I can't tell you how many people I have met who condone this abuse, or turn their heads to it. It does not surprise me that so many people at the Celebration could not see the benefits of stopping horses who have been sored from showing.

I visited a big TWH farm once and the memory will be burned in my mind forever. A very dear friend who I had known since I was a small child married into the family at the farm and also condoned this type of abuse. Needless to say, we no longer talk. I was furious, bewildered, and shocked that she could even associate herself with people who do this to horses, and I will never forget the looks of each and every horse on that farm...frightened, tense, and uneasy looks, or vacant stares into space...just a hollow feel in the expression on some of the faces...not one single horse invited us to pet them or seemed to want any association with humans, and I cannot blame them in the least. I saw some men clamored around one horse in a stall, and later learned they were soring it...I saw a horse with large chains wrapped all around its legs and lathered from head to toe as it "racked" through the hall of the barn...The large green pastures were empty because the horses were wearing these horrible shoes that prohibited them from even being turned out...There was even a small child outside one of the barns riding a pony and whipping it unmercifully, taking it in tight circles and jerking its mouth.

I was too young at the time to know what to do to help these horses...had I known I would have immediately called animal control and put up the biggest fuss possible. Instead, my friend got a thorough talking-to on the phone and I will never be able to look at her the same. I remembered times when we rode together on trails, me on a TWH pony and her on an App...galloping across the fields and having long talks on shady trails...What happens to a person that they get to this point, where treating a helpless animal in this way is acceptable? I remember asking her how she could sleep at night, knowing this was happening around her? Sure, she wasn't the one doing the abuse, but just a few hundred yards away from her bedroom window these poor horses were living in hell...And she knew it...

They should do away with all racking horse competitions altogther...let the horse do its natural "running walk" and stop this horrible escalating abuse that is occurring.
Desert Tag Arabians
Here is part of an article I copied and pasted that explains abuse with TWH's...

Some of the Chemicals of choice by the Sorers include Mustard Oil, fuel oil and other petroleum products, Collodian and Salicylic acid.
These chemicals cause terrible burning pain (from which some horses actually die!) and inevitable scarring to pasterns, pockets, coronet bands etc.

When the USDA/APHIS recognized this, they created the NO SCAR rule which in turn drove the Sorers (who will NOT give up their abominable practices even though they are breaking Federal Laws) to the use of Salicylic Acid which is applied liberally to the scarred areas and literally "burns off" the scarred skin while the horses lie in excruciating pain without the benefit of anesthetic.

This "new" skin (IF the horse survives) is scar free but thickened and sparsely haired.

Many horses, after this "treatment" have open lesions and/or "scurfing" on their pasterns but are "passed" as "clean" by the Sored-Horse Inspection Organizations when the USDA/APHIS is not present at their shows.
note* The USDA/APHIS can afford to attend only 10% of the Horse Shows.
(The enforcement of the HPA has never been fully funded, even to the 1970 limits)

Mechanical Soring can be just as hideous and just as painful for the horses.
Stacks (up to 5" high and sometimes filled with wet sand for weight) and chains are affixed to the front hooves (mostly after the horse has been Chemically sored) causing the horse to snatch his painful front hooves up off the ground and throw his weight onto the back of the spine, hips and rear legs causing the "knee up the nose, butt dragging" image of the Big Lick Show Horse.

Pressure Shoeing causes appalling pain and even some of the Sored-Horse Trainers stop short of this despicable practice, though too many do not!

Road Foundering is a common practice before showing causing exactly the amount of pain you would expect with "acute founder".

Heavy Plantation Shoes ("manhole covers" up to 60 oz. in weight) accompanied by a Chemical "touch-up" and chains on already painful areas, also produce the sought after but bastardized "gait".

Horses that are "chemically sored" not only suffer instant pain but can also be subject to Nervous System Disorders, sterility, genetic mutations, spontaneous abortions, intestinal tumors etc. and most die from Colic.
Mechanical Soring, aside from the instantly produced pain, causes irreparable damage in young horses to the tendons, knees, cerebral spine, hips, tendons and hocks of the rear legs. Show horses are subjected to this torture from as young as 14 mos. of age!!

The Show Careers of these unfortunate horses are short lived and these horses have the highest mortality rates and the lowest insurable ages-up to 12 years!

Bonnie A. Yeager
Sound Horse Organization
Georgia
Well, this is nothing new to the TWH evil people pravail there. I can remember in the late 60's early 70's of greed and tortured animals. One of the things were running nails up into their feet, so when they put their foot on the ground they would snatch it up quickly they were so sore and if you ever watched the "Parkhorse" version of the TWH you would know what I mean.
You have to admire the people that put down their foot and so sad they were not backed up by the clean horseman, if I'm reading the accounts correctly. I think the 3 clean horseman should have split the whole pot between them if they had showed.

We certainly shouldn't take this to make ourselves feel better or less evil for the tactics we allow. But, I think we are well on our way to falling flat on our face.
No class A shows no abuse. If we continue declining as we have. Maybe some of our 20 plus years that many of us have been banning the shows will come to a halt (the shows that is), because none of our higher ups took it upon themselves to change things or put their foot down and save the Arabian horse.. instead they have chose to save certain Arab trainers and lifestyles not based on the real world.

This certainly sad news. Certainly many of us cannot imagine being in this position or like these people. I love my horses...to much.

Georgia
Tous crins
No class A shows no abuse. If we continue declining as we have. Maybe some of our 20 plus years that many of us have been banning the shows will come to a halt (the shows that is), because none of our higher ups took it upon themselves to change things or put their foot down and save the Arabian horse.. instead they have chose to save certain Arab trainers and lifestyles not based on the real world.

from the Santa Barbara show last week-end...
Half- arabian subjects - english "pleasure". This is just 2 horses but seems to be a general thing. I haven't been to my pictures yet...

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lionsdenfarm
To Guest:

I didn't think I had any vehement hate in my post.

I have not yet found one humane officer or rescue person (who often become the "experts" for these officers) who does not seem to have their own agenda. In our area it is changing zoning and depleting animals from farms so they can be rezoned often resulting in a higher tax. They also don't like people breeding dogs, cats, rabbits (they are pets and not food ya know), horses, and pot bellied pigs. I know we are over populated with surplus pets but some of these people need to get a little tact. They also get upset when you try to rehome these pets by giving them away because if someone can not pay $50 for a cat they probably can't afford to keep it. blink.gif And they would like it if I would fix every stray that shows up at my door--at my cost of course!

And when it comes to real abuse--physical torture to an animal, they are never to be found nor will they return phone calls. How often do you see posts on the internet for people to contact attorneys in an area where abuse occured so the abuser gets prosecuted? And in areas that don't have an animal control officer, have you ever tried to get a sheriff involved? They would rather not deal with it and may refer you to a rescue group that may or may not be all that great either. How many of the big rescues out there are legit now? I know of one here that paid off her farm, rebuilt fences, bought nice equipment (yes, for the horses--hers included), and hates Egyptians and Arabs in general.

Last year we had a shooting spree by a couple of teenagers that resulted in killing of I think 5 horses. That was in my area. I also remember another area where kids had shot and beaten a cow to near death, a man was training his horse by pulling it between two trucks (one to the front of the horse and one to the back), another man drug his horse home behind his truck resulting in severe damage to the horse, another horse had its tail lit on fire. The list goes on...

We all know abuse happens at shows and while the heavy shoes probably can't have anything done by a humane officer, the other abuse can. Whip training and beating of animals can be found at most horse shows of any breed. And most animal control people know this as well but yet they never come to a show. Why?

I think it is really sad to hear what happened with the TWH show. But really, couldn't that be just about any show or horse event? And since it is a PUBLIC event, the animal control people would be well within their rights to attend and look into stalls, walk aisles and grounds, etc.

Personally I don't see any reason why these abusers shouldn't have the treatment given to the horse given to them. Makes ya wonder how they would walk doesn't it?

Tracy
Guest_Dave_*
Christine,

Those pads on the English pleasure horses are similar to what they put on TWs. I hate those things. They're a prescription for tendon problems. My farrier starts cussing if I mention them. He won't speak to our club because he thinks most Arabian people are hopeless when it comes to shoing. I've even seen these pads on horses with upright pasterns which is not what such horses need. This is just show ring BS.

Dave
Cheryl L
We only allow so many pads on our Arabs. Someone should post a picture of how many the TWH people use. I have seen some pads that were stacked 4-6 inches high and they had to have some metal thing to hold them all on.
Cheryl
Desert Tag Arabians
Here is a photo of a padded shoe on a TWH... sad.gif
Cheryl L
Thanks for posting that awful picture. At least our Arabs are not changing the angle so drastically. The angle of those pads does not even match the angle of the pasterns. I too have personally seen some of these horses and I feel sorry for them.
Cheryl
anitae
_guest_dave

Your farrier would like our place. Of 14 horses (13 arabians plus one that is registered half-arab, but really 99% arab), only ONE has shoes. All others are barefoot. ALL are ridden in arena and on trail over rocks, tress roots, etc. This includes broodmares. The one with shoes had a light laminitis episode and is a bit tender-soled so does well with front shoes only. Some of us only shoe horses that really need shoes; ours don't.

(and we pay our wonderful farrier to come to give correct trims so everyone stays healthy!)

Anita
MAXHOPEMIME
The problem lies with the owners. Then the trainers.making a living off of them
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Kessafan
QUOTE (Desert Tag Arabians @ Sep 6 2006, 02:08 PM)
Here is a photo of a padded shoe on a TWH... sad.gif
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I know that this may sound a bit niave, but what are people trying to achieve with this type of shoeing? I've never seen anything like it before.
Here in Australia, horses are shod with shoes that are less than 1/2 an inch thick and are either made of iron or aluminium. Aluminium is great as they are so light it's like they aren't wearing anything at all and the horses are more animated because of it. I just can't see the benefit of this type of shoeing.

Sandy
Desert Tag Arabians
I believe in the 1950's (correct me if I'm wrong) there was a horse named Midnight Sun who accomplished the style of movement that began the big lick era...he did this flat shod and without any of the terrible aids trainers use today.

Here is an example of what they are trying to achieve with this type of shoeing (IMO this is horrible)...
Guest
As with anything else, unless one is on the inside, one does not understand ALL that went on at the Celebration.
First of all...there were shows that these horses were exhibited at ALL summer long. Why was their unacceptability NOT discovered prior to the biggest show of the year? The TWH people have had a heads up for years now that this treatment was NOT acceptable and would not be tolerated...but why suddenly does the gov. show up? Where have they been? Ask yourself THIS question. Once again..politics. For years *they* have tried to get the Celebration away from Shelbyville. Plans to move it to Murfreesboro or some such place.
Hey, I don't approve of the things they do to these horses, nor to what we often put our *beloved* Arabs through...extend that to bleeding, not feeding, hanging, brain chains, etc. in the QH industry!
As they say, "He who is without sin, cast the first stone." I have to ask myself WHY show up at the Celebration, make a big fuss there? This was a huge loss of revenue, right or wrong, for the TWH industry. What is the result of this. These people breed many horses....many, many horses. What will happen to them? If they can't be shown or ridden as Pleasure horses for their scarring...and some were two year olds, what will happen to them? Slaughter house, more than likely. We will sign their death warrant with our good intentions. The answer to this is to stop the abuse from a certain point, and allow those already affected to still be shown.
Just an opinion, although I am sure not popular.
Cheryl L
Yes, there were shows through out the year. They would be 2 day shows. The inspectors would show up one day only and on that day they would have a lot of entries scratching and they would show on the other day.
Cheryl
Desert Tag Arabians
Well, here is my opinion, and probably not going to be popular either (esp. by any TWH person), but here it is nonetheless...

I think the entire big lick, racking horse industry should be shut down. These big lick classes should be abolished. The entire idea of this type of movement should become a thing of the past. There are barns all over this country with these poor horses standing in the stalls wearing these horrible shoes right now. They can't graze in a pasture, or have any sort of normal life at all. The weight and structure of these shoes causes irreparable damage to the horses, and some of these horses are started WAY too young.

I know abuse goes on everywhere, with every breed. But this type of abuse IMO opinion is so outrageously popular by some of the big lick breeders and showmen that the entire industry is being damaged. I don't care if the DQP are not honest, or if this came about by politics. I don't care that breeders everywhere would be hurt by my suggestion. I have seen this abuse too much. I have been to shows and seen trailers pull out of the show so their horse wouldn't be inspected. I have heard all the controversy about "soreing" not being properly defined. Come on! mad.gif This is outrageous, and it is especially unbelievable because so many people think it is okay!

Those breeders of TWH who do not use these shoes, or sore, or use chains, are so greatly out-numbered by those who DO that the only salvation for these horses are other horse owners in this country who are going to stand up and say ENOUGH. Some may say its none of our business, but I disagree. If you love horses, irregardless of what breed, you have an obligation to speak out against this widespreak blatant abuse. The gov't is not going to do it...it's very true that politics don't help here.

I am surrounded by these awful people who do this to their horses, or who will turn a blind-eye to the abuse and proclaim "that's life" or "there's abuse with every breed". I am here to say that the abuse with TWH's is happening so much that it deserves special attention.

The TWH is a beautiful, regal animal with a beautiful, natural gait that is pleasurable to ride and very natural. I understand that in the past there have been a few horses who could perform this gait naturally, without padded shoes or soreing, but not enough to justify the huge popularity of this discipline that has led to this outrageous abuse. Stop the classes, and that will stop the abuse, unless some sorry SOB wants to do it for the mere pleasure of hurting the horse so he can show off in his own arena.
Desert Tag Arabians
One more thing...if a person is caught blatantly abusing their horse, with undeniable evidence, then WHY may I ask (and this can be applied to any breed) isn't that horse removed from that owner? If you starve your horse, or neglect it, someone comes and takes it away. That is the right thing for the horse. But you can take a horse to a show and abuse it, or do these awful things to it before you get to the show,and still take the horse home with you???? People who do this don't love horses...they don't need horses....they don't deserve horses.

As a matter of fact, I think the horse is BY FAR better off being sent to the slaughter house than living the way these horses are living. The Rainbow Bridge would be an inviting Heaven for these poor animals.
Cheryl L
You have got that right!! The Plantation TWH ( those that show a natural horse) people are becoming larger and more popular. I on occasion ride a TWH, he was kept with shoes on with a wedge pad as he was low in the heels. Now that his feet have improved, he is kept barefoot. I woule never dream of doing that to a horse for no price. The most my horse gets is half rounds with single pads.
Cheryl
Guest
I think far better off to limit the way the horse is shown, which will in turn eliminate those who abuse. But there has to be a starting point so that those who are scarred are not affected...it is not just soring, but scarring that this horses were eliminated for. I see many TWH's horses out at pasture. I think improvements have been made, but JUST not enough.
I disagree that they are better off dead. Just saved by those who care about the horses themselves. What we do with our Arabs and QH's IS a crime too.
Georgia
QUOTE (Desert Tag Arabians @ Sep 7 2006, 08:37 PM)
Well, here is my opinion, and probably not going to be popular either (esp. by any TWH person), but here it is nonetheless...

I think the entire big lick, racking horse industry should be shut down.  These big lick classes should be abolished.  The entire idea of this type of movement should become a thing of the past.  There are barns all over this country with these poor horses standing in the stalls wearing these horrible shoes right now.  They can't graze in a pasture, or have any sort of normal life at all.  The weight and structure of these shoes causes irreparable damage to the horses, and some of these horses are started WAY too young. 

I know abuse goes on everywhere, with every breed.  But this type of abuse IMO opinion is so outrageously popular by some of the big lick breeders and showmen that the entire industry is being damaged.  I don't care if the DQP are not honest, or if this came about by politics.  I don't care that breeders everywhere would be hurt by my suggestion.  I have seen this abuse too much.  I have been to shows and seen trailers pull out of the show so their horse wouldn't be inspected.  I have heard all the controversy about "soreing" not being properly defined.  Come on!  mad.gif  This is outrageous, and it is especially unbelievable because so many people think it is okay! 

Those breeders of TWH who do not use these shoes, or sore, or use chains, are so greatly out-numbered by those who DO that the only salvation for these horses are other horse owners in this country who are going to stand up and say ENOUGH.  Some may say its none of our business, but I disagree.  If you love horses, irregardless of what breed, you have an obligation to speak out against this widespreak blatant abuse.  The gov't  is not going to do it...it's very true that politics don't help here. 

I am surrounded by these awful people who do this to their horses, or who will turn a blind-eye to the abuse and proclaim "that's life" or "there's abuse with every breed".  I am here to say that the abuse with TWH's is happening so much that it deserves special attention.

The TWH is a beautiful, regal animal with a beautiful, natural gait that is pleasurable to ride and very natural.  I understand that in the past there have been a few horses who could perform this gait naturally, without padded shoes or soreing, but not enough to justify the huge popularity of this discipline that has led to this outrageous abuse.  Stop the classes, and that will stop the abuse, unless some sorry SOB wants to do it for the mere pleasure of hurting the horse so he can show off in his own arena.
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AMEN, I think you should replace TWH with "Arabian" and the abuses with what we do to our Arabian horses and the same is true. DITTO

Georgia
Guest
"The TWH is a beautiful, regal animal with a beautiful, natural gait that is pleasurable to ride and very natural. I understand that in the past there have been a few horses who could perform this gait naturally, without padded shoes or soreing, but not enough to justify the huge popularity of this discipline that has led to this outrageous abuse"

You know, I bet there are those who feel that the way an English Pleasure horse moves is not a true example of the way an Arabian should move? That it is contrived and manufactured? I have heard tales of standing them in water and touching it with an electric wire? I wonder what is done, if anything to the Saddlebred, to make him move like he does? I knew someone who showed Morgans in Park and they threw firecrackers under his feet. A girl told me this about her trainer who she was in love with and eventually married...that he did this? And she loved him????
I have to admit that I am glad the Quarter Horse Association finally grew the * *'s to stop the practice of breeding HYPP horses over the next few years. How cruel is it to breed horses with a genetic defect on purpose for size, never mind that it cna cause heart attacks and shortens the lifespan of the horse! But they have done it in a mannerly fashion that will not send every HYPP horse to slaughter.
Now we can go on and on with who is the cruelest. I simply think that man's inhumanity to man also extends to their horses....regardless of the breed. For every foul individual, there are also many caring people too.
Guest
I belive that the first TWH to go like that was Mack K's Handshaker. He was one of the first ones if not the first.

At one time the TWH people would put crushed glass on the frog or a half of a golf all on the frog. For when the horse slammed down on the footing it would snap it back up.

Also they use hot mustard, diseal fuel and many other irratants wrapped in celeophane on the horses legs. And the horses will not lay down with this on their legs because they are tied up by there heads way in the air.

In order for the trainers to teach the TWH's to pass the DQP test they practice this at home. They have someone pick the horse's leg up and squeeze the sore areas and if the horse flinches they smack it in the head with a 2 x 4 or a lead pipe. This way the horse will get the message that if they flinch they will have the crap knocked out of them.

Most DQP's are good ole' boys and will let anything pass that is why they were so pissed at the USDA coming in.

A few years ago in Shelbyville one of the judges sent their clothes to the cleaners at the show. And the cleaners found a $30,000 check made out to them from an exhibtor. They turned it in and it made the papers.
Guest
everything in america is bigger and better, bigger portions of food, bigger glasses of coke, biggest arabian horse registry, biggest this, better that..... why do americans have to change what is already a good thing into a bigger and better american thing ?????

that the usa is a trend setter, and many other countries follow like lambs to the slaughter. blink.gif ph34r.gif
Nadj al Nur
Have you ever noticed that, when something, anything, is advertised as "new and improved" it very rarely measures up to the original ???????
Guest
Because making a big fuss at the largest and most important show creates publicity. People should know what is going on. If the TWH industry loses a huge amount of revenue then that is their own fault for allowing this mistreatment.

The only solution is to show these horses barefoot at the show. The only solution is to encourage people to wander in the stables and take movies of any abuse they see - and to arrest any trainers or staff that get in the way. The only solution is for trainers who show at these big lick show, they are not allowed to show at the normal TWH shows.

And the only solution is not to attend any big lick show. Don't sell TWH to farms who show at these big lick shows. Don't BUY TWH from these big lick farms.








I have to ask myself WHY show up at the Celebration, make a big fuss there? This was a huge loss of revenue, right or wrong, for the TWH industry. What is the result of this. These people breed many horses....many, many horses. What will happen to them? If they can't be shown or ridden as Pleasure horses for their scarring...and some were two year olds, what will happen to them? Slaughter house, more than likely. We will sign their death warrant with our good intentions. The answer to this is to stop the abuse from a certain point, and allow those already affected to still be shown.
Just an opinion, although I am sure not popular.
AllieP
Would someone please tell me how to find out more about a particular TWH farm? It seems as if certain posters on this thread are far more in the know about this breed than I am.

The reason I ask is that there is a HORRID little man a couple of miles from me who breeds and shows TWH. I've had the unpleasantness of running across this man due to our simple geographic proximity. I have no doubts in my mind that if the TWH industry is as polluted as this thread suggests, this man is in the thick of it. He shows nationally.

Anyone have access to inside info on individuals? I'm in Texas. I have a good relationship with county officials and a rescue organization and wouldn't HESITATE to try to put an end to this type of abuse if I found out it was happening.

Email me privately if you can assist. No horse should live this kind of life.
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