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nina c K
Vielleicht kann mir jemand helfen, hoffentlich ist die Frage nicht dämlich.

So etwas wie den "rein Pritzlaff gezogenen" Hengst aus den USA, der mal in den Kleinanzeigen war, gibt es wohl außerhalb der USA nicht? Ich frage aus reinem Interesse.
Oliver
Meinst Du in Deutschland? Nein, ich glaube nicht...
Es gab und gibt einige Pferde, die in der Mutterlinie auf die
Pritzlaff-Zucht zurückgehen, insbesondere auf die Bint Moniet El Nefous-
Tochter RSI Rara del Sol (v. Rashad Ibn Nazeer).
Ihre Töchter Myrna und AK Raiyeh (beide v. The Egyptian Prince)
kamen nach Deutschland (Myrna stand bei Dr. Nagel, ich glaube
aber sie lebt nicht mehr) und AK Raiyeh bei Familie Kullmann.

Myrna ist die Mutter des prämierten Hengstes NABEEL (v. Alidaar)
und Großmutter der beiden Salaa El Dine-Söhne NK Oteyba und NK Bolbol;
letzter wurde in Marbach zur Zucht eingesetzt.

AK Raiyeh fohlte noch in den USA den recht bekannten
SHAIKH AL KURAN (v. Shaikh Al Badi), der in England steht
und den im letzten Jahr auf der Hengstschau gold-prämierten
CLASSIC RAYAN (v. Alidaar) aus der Zucht von Ursula Poth.
Von MA Alishah brachte sie den Hengst YAOUT EL DAHAB;
ich meine, er hat beim diesjährigen Egyptian Event Europe seine
Klasse gewonnen.

Ansonsten fallen mir auf Anhieb keine Pferde mit Pritzlaff-Blut in Deutschland ein -
vielleicht hilft jemand aus.... biggrin.gif
daniela-eva
der se/so hengst faraag allah, von rasmoniet rsi ad farah bint shiko ist glaube ich zum größten teil pritzlaff zucht. smile.gif
nina c K
Lieben Dank, Oliver.

Ja, ich meinte schon primär in Deutschland oder Europa...
Es hätte ja sein können smile.gif


Daniela-Eva! Vielen Dank für den Hinweis!
daniela-eva
ich weiß nicht , ob die anworten sich gerade überschnitten haben, aber "faraag alah",rappe, steht in deutschland bei einem herrn detlef stang,friedrichsmoor. smile.gif
nina c K
Ja, sie haben sich überschnitten. Danke, habe mich gerade auf der Seite umgesehen. Kennst Du den Hengst vielleicht sogar persönlich?
Echo1
I don't know of any pure Pritzlaff horses in Germany.
We have bred the pure Pritzlaff horses for years, and then bred them with Ansata horses, and now we look for more, and the most natural fit is found in Germany.

German horses are very much coming from same source blood. Nazeer bred to Sheikh El Arab daughters (Heavy Mansour element) is in Hadban Enzahi, Rashad Ibn Nazeer and Ansata Ibn Halima . All started as being very close, but all went in being bred for different tail female line. Othewise the same.
Malacha, Mashhour, and Moniet El Nefous, all by El Sareei. Others like Yashmak, Kamla, Kateefa, Alaa El Dine and more have same and similar source blood.
I hope this helps smile.gif

Photos:

Rasmoniet RSI (sire)
Rasmoniet EHAP (son) -2 photos
Faraag Alah (son and a full brother to Rasmoniet EHAP)
Shikos Kazmeena (dam)
nina c K
Thanks a lot, Echo1for your input.
I also enjoyed very much reading your post about the influence of Rashad Ibn Nazeer and the match Rashad-Bint Moniet (in the Rashad Ibn Nazeer -Thread).
Very interesting!
Echo1
Your welcome Nina, if I can help you with anything regarding the Pritzlaff horses I sure will. smile.gif Richard was a friend of mine.

This mare, Rahmeenah EHAP is a pure Pritzlaff mare, and she will be bred to the stallion we imported from Germany, Alaa Jabbar this spring. So this is first one of our Pritzlaff mares to be bred to a current German bred stallion.

She's a real neat mare, and I'm anxious to see how she produces with the blood of Hafid Jamil and Madkour1. The interesting thing about the German stallion is he is tail female Yashmak, who was also the dam of Richard's Rashad Ibn Nazeer. Rahmeenah EHAP is a Rashad Ibn Nazeer granddaughter. Her dam is also Shikos Kazmeena, pictured above.

I'm not very good photographer, but at least you get an idea of what one of the last few mares from Richard's original imports looks like. wink.gif

Other photo by C.Fazzino.
nina c K
Hi Echo1,

thank you for your offer. I might really have the one or the other question within the next time. Temporary, I'm busy working through the information I can get by myself smile.gif
I saw your mare on your website, she looks great. I wish you the best of luck with her foal.
daniela-eva
hallo nina c k smile.gif
leider habe ich farag allah noch nicht gesehen, habe aber mit der besitzerin telefoniert u. sie ist sehr nett u. ich glaube auch recht objektiv gegenüber den stärken u. schwächen ihrer pferde. war ein interessantes gespräch. leider gibt es kaum nachzucht von ihm, er wird glaube ich nicht so stark genutzt, allerdings machen die eigentümer ja auch keine werbung.
lg daniela
arabica
Hello here are some Photos from Yaout el Dahab


Enjoy them/ dreamlely meeting with Joanna

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newbie
bitte, was bedeutet Pritzlaff? Der Name eines Züchters? Einer Blutlinie?
Straight irgendwas? Vielen Dank für kurze aufklärende Worte rolleyes.gif
Connyi
Richard Pritzlaff hat in den 50er/60ern Pferde aus Ägypten in die USA importiert und mit ihnen eine Zucht begründet. Unter seinen Importen waren Bint Moniet El Nefous, Rashad Ibn Nazeer, Bint El Bataa, Bint Nefisa und Bint Dahma.
anitae
You can see more Pritzlaff horses in the USA at
www.destinyarabians.com

Also, in addition to the imports mentioned by Connyl, Hr. Pritzlaff used his mare Rabanna, who was not accepted into the Pyramid Society, but has the same bloodlines as other egyptian horses and very high percentage of old Abbas Pasha blood.

Some have the Rabanna blood, some do not. Some also have some other Egyptian lines. These horses live in the open pasture and run free in the hills all year - even in the snow and freezing weather. They are really strong and have good minds.

Anita
guest
the question was outside of the usa.
as long as these horses don`t have the prefix nk you wont find them here in germany laugh.gif
Eyegor
(((((((( the question was outside of the usa.
as long as these horses don`t have the prefix nk you wont find them here in germany )))))))))

Hello Guest,
I agree re the original question but am totally perplexed as to the second sentence re the plus or the minus of the prefix <<<nk>>>>>> and then finding or not finding them in Germany??????

Excuse my obvious illiteracy?
Tim_Feurig
What does the prefix "NK" hast to do wit the Pritzlaff horses?
You might be well aware of the fact that Dr. Nagel was the first German breeder who incorporated the Pritzlaff blood into his herd! Like Oliver pointed out this was the mare "Myrna" who was out of the mare "RSI Rara del Sol" bred by Richard Pritzlaff. No other German breeder regognized the potential of the Pritzlaff blood before him because this source was relatively unknown in Europe for many years.
Eyegor
Hello Mr. Feurig,

have a strong hunch NK refers to horses used for meat.........in which case I pity this person for a most insensitive sense of propriety for obvious reasons......But then again perhaps I am wrong.
Es gibt auch Leute die ganz Klassenlos Ihr ganzes Leben verpfuschen.

Koennte es auch ganz falsch verstehen aber glaube nicht.
Tschuess
Tim_Feurig
Oh, thank you. I think this is sick from Guest. mad.gif
guest
i didn`t want to talk about dr.nagel.german people seems don`t like other blodlines like babson or pritzlaff ( i know mohafez was half babson) they like most ansata halim shah, al lahab and nk lines.
thats my opinion,sorry. tongue.gif
nina c K
Thanks again for the helpful replies so far!

Guest, are you from Germany? Where did you get this opinion from? Cause you might get a different one, depending on whom you are talking to.
Guest_Frank_*
Schaut einfach in den hengstverteilungsplan , faraag allah hat nur eine 3 ,die
schlechteste in deutschland mögliche Bewertung , der andere Rapphengst dort
hat immerhin eine 6, wenn er auch nicht prämiert ist .
nina c K
QUOTE (Guest_Frank_* @ Oct 30 2006, 06:46 PM)
Schaut einfach in den hengstverteilungsplan , faraag allah hat nur eine 3 ,die
schlechteste in deutschland mögliche Bewertung , der andere Rapphengst dort
hat immerhin eine 6, wenn  er auch nicht prämiert ist .
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Hatte ich bereits gesehen. Aber was genau beweist das? Was für ein Fazit ziehst Du daraus? Dass Faraag Allah mit einer 3 eingetragen wurde ist ja hoffentlich nicht das einzige, worauf Du hinweisen willst wink.gif Wo ist also der "Masterplan" hinter dieser Information? Sollte das den Unterschied zu den von Guest zitierten "Vorliebshengsten der Deutschen" klarmachen?
Eyegor
There are exceptions and disappointments in every line of horses. You have aparently relied on one source for your expertise regarding these horses, of course that is your right.
On the other hand for example we recently lost a stallion who was a full brother to Fara Bint Shiko and he garnered high 60s and very often 70s in dressage with exceptional cadence, collection extension and absolutely exquisite free shoulder and joint movement. So my opinion, Sorry, are 180degrees different than yours.

However, I do not say that based on a single example of a line, that the entire line is merely fit to be consumed.

I would not breed to a 6 or a 7 in any case, specifically since our Pritzlaff horses
all move much better than that. That would mean I was breeding down, not up.

You are of course welcome to your opinion but show just a bit of class. If you choose to eat horses, begin with your own. That is MY Opinion, Oh, and I am not Sorry, which of course automatically excuses my bad manners, doesn't it?

It is easy to criticise others when one has nothing to compare to at home in a stall or out in pasture. Closet experts are always correct, EH What??????

Nochmals, mit freundlichen laecheln,
Tschuess
daniela-eva
wenn nach einer bestimmten blutlinie in deutschland gefragt wird, sehe ich keinen grund, warum hier jetzt wieder leute od. pferde niedergemacht werden.
hätte ich vorher gewußt das der arme faraag allah hier verrissen wird, hätte ich nina die info lieber privat gegeben. dry.gif
Oliver
Wenn ein Hengst mit einer 3 eingetragen wurde, ist das eine Tatsache,
die eigentlich keiner weiteren Kommentierung bedarf.

Guest
I don't think that Germans don't like other lines than Dr. Nagel's and Ansata Halim Shah.
You don't seem to know the German "scene". The majority of Dr. Nagel's
customers are not in Germany but in other countries - most of his horses
are going to be exported. Just a small number of Nagel bred horses are
in Germany. He has stong followers in many contries but just a handful of
"fans" in Germany compared to his customers in the Middle East.
So please be a bit open-minded and don't make such false comments.
Guest_Manuela_*
QUOTE (guest @ Oct 30 2006, 06:10 PM)
i didn`t want to talk about dr.nagel.german people seems don`t like other blodlines like babson or pritzlaff ( i know mohafez was half babson) they like most ansata halim shah, al lahab and nk lines.
thats my opinion,sorry. tongue.gif
*


A funny remark. You refer to Al Lahab. What does it mean that he is in demand in Germany? It means that German breeders regocnize quality and don't stick to a few lines. Though bred in Israel Al Lahab is the ultimate "melting pot" from the major breeding programs in the USA and Egypt and as such he is cherished in Germany. He blends Ansata, Gleannloch, Imperial, Babson, Al Badeia, even Thee Desperado and Exochorda and is one of the most successful Egyptian stallions in Germany. When it is negative to use a stallion with all that bloodlines and incorporate this blood than be it.
Echo1
QUOTE (Eyegor @ Oct 30 2006, 04:45 PM)
Hello Mr. Feurig,

have a strong hunch NK refers to horses used for meat.......
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No pun intended, but "Eyegore's hunch" ph34r.gif ph34r.gif is ridiculously absurd and extremely offensive.

I think Germany has some of the nicest horses and I really admire how they are bred, and the look and type of many of them. smile.gif Salaa El Dine with Hanan and horses like Madkour1, Hadban Enzahi and Ibn Galal are all great lines of horses. I searched and was extremely pleased to see the Yashmak line of horses in Germany as well. It was like icing on the cake to see what Germany does for the Straight Egyptian horse. It would be awesome to see some of the NK sons bred with the Pritzlaff female lines, and I for one am hoping to see some great results of mixing the NK exquisite type with the Pritzlaff legs, strong croups and dynamic moving mares. A good Pritzlaff mare would go very well with the NK stallions.

Here's a pure Pritzlaff foal. He's has a great body, hindquarter, great moving horse with excellent suspension, good legs, and neck,yet I think with some NK type, this would be really super looking combination. cool.gif
Eyegor
dear guest,
perhaps to alleviate the misconception would you please explain the significance of the prefix "nk". apparently I am wrong, if so I beg forgiveness...

Secondly,
perhaps there is a difference between "nk" and "NK". I am also positive that there are people in the USA who know all there is to know regarding German preferences, prejudices, likes and dislikes...........Specifically in the Pennsylvania region of the eastern US. I know for certain I am one of those who does not, which is why the original question was asked and not answered.
Since I have put both Echo and Robert on my "Ignore list" I am interested in knowing for certain what "nk" designates???
I did say suspicion, yes, that is in my opinion very sick and is the reason I asked the question for a clarification to begin with.
Robert 1
Eyegor and Guest, HMMM..........

The breeder is Dr.Hansi-Joachim Nagel and the name of his Stud is Katharinenhof, so if I were to take a wild guess as to what the Prefix NK stands for, could it be his name and the name of his stud tongue.gif
Robert,
Echo Hill Arabians
another guest
<<Eyegor and Guest, HMMM..........

The breeder is Dr.Hansi-Joachim Nagel and the name of his Stud is Katharinenhof, so if I were to take a wild guess as to what the Prefix NK stands for, could it be his name and the name of his stud
Robert,
Echo Hill Arabians >>

Does this mean he's related to the other Hansi on this list?? tongue.gif tongue.gif tongue.gif tongue.gif

Sorry, couldn't resist!
another another guest
When one calls a gentleman "Hansi", one must be aware that there is a deep friendship between the two individuals since that is a diminutive or feminine term of endearment. In other words a little boy would be a Hans oder Johann, but called Hansi as denoting a love of, or of a smaller size, a pet name for someone dear or cute. When used like Hansi as in the queen of posters then the femininity thereof is clear.

One must assume that the poster knows Dr Nagel in intimate knowledge as a close friend.

For example, I have a brother named Franz, while he was a youngster and cute as a button we called him Franzl oder sogar Franzi or my other brother was Josef and as an endearment and pet name we called him Seppi or Seppal.......

From his post I must assume they are the closest of friends because a business associate, out of respect, would never use Hansi but would stick to business paramaeters and use the correct form of Hans or whatever Herr Nagels real first name might be.

Couldn't resist either.
Robert 1
another another guest,
(For eample I have a brother named Franz and while he was a youngster and cute as a button) Does this mean your brothers head was as round as a button with holes in it. laugh.gif
Sorry I couldn't resist either. wink.gif
Robert,
Echo Hill Arabians
another guest
QUOTE
When one calls a gentleman "Hansi", one must be aware that there is a deep friendship between the two individuals since that is a diminutive or feminine term of endearment. In other words a little boy would be a Hans oder Johann, but called Hansi as denoting a love of, or of a smaller size, a pet name for someone dear or cute. When used like Hansi as in the queen of posters then the femininity thereof is clear.

One must assume that the poster knows Dr Nagel in intimate knowledge as a close friend.

For example, I have a brother named Franz, while he was a youngster and cute as a button we called him Franzl oder sogar Franzi or my other brother was Josef and as an endearment and pet name we called him Seppi or Seppal.......

From his post I must assume they are the closest of friends because a business associate, out of respect, would never use Hansi but would stick to business paramaeters and use the correct form of Hans or whatever Herr Nagels real first name might be.

Couldn't resist either. 


Sorry, but I thought it was just a typo. Guess we'll just have to wait and hear from Robert how close a friend he is with Herr Nagel.
Robert 1
another guest,
You and your brothers are too much, one has a head as round as a button with holes in it and the other you call by a PET NAME, and you can't be original and go by guest you need to go by,... another guest. laugh.gif laugh.gif
PS Please don't tell me anymore, my sides are hurting. laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif
Robert,
Echo Hill Arabians
another other guest
((((((another guest,
You and your brothers are too much, one has a head as round as a button with holes in it and the other you call by a PET NAME, and you can't be original and go by guest you need to go by,... another guest.
PS Please don't tell me anymore, my sides are hurting.
Robert,
Echo Hill Arabians))))))))

Dear Robert, Echo Hill Arabians, EHAP or??

there is absolutely no way I would further tax your limited capacity for understanding with any more Humor. I also do not wish to be responsible for additional agony to your sides. Additionally one must be able to understand before one can be told anything at all. There comes a time when telling things becomes tantamount to blowing smoke. Then there are those who just cannot tell the difference.

So gehts ja wieder weiter.

Another other guest.

PS: wonder who has the brothers, another guest, or another another guest, or another other guest, Robert seems confused.
And imagine that Eyegor ignores him?????The man (Robert That is) is funny????
another other guest
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<you can't be original and go by guest you need to go by,... another guest>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Gosh I thought he/she was being original....as guest, of course is what we all are without a handle but "another guest" is a really just a bit more original.......
nina c K
huh.gif Is there a price for the most confusing thread ever?

I assume Daniela-Eva had the only hint about a high percentag Pritzlaff horse in Germany, so we can probably mark the original question as answered.
Oliver
Thank you Nina.... I am completely lost blink.gif
Robert 1
Too much of your<<<< smoke blowing>>>>
can be tantamount psychotropic. laugh.gif laugh.gif
Different unregistered names, same old ridiculous choice of words. tongue.gif
I quit my sides can't take anymore. laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif
Robert,
Echo Hill Arabians
daniela-eva
hi robert biggrin.gif
i understand only "bahnhof", once i had a book for my son from dr.seuss - i couldn`t understand that also laugh.gif daniela
Echo1
Joe , JAL, EYEGORE< Another guest, guest of a guest,, or whatever other identity crisis you suffer from today...

even a dog will lift his leg to avoid himself, so what's your excuse to be so self loathing?

I urge everyone to just ignore this Eyegore's posts, he has nothing positive to contribute. He is obviously still very bitter he could not buy a Pritzlaff mare and was asked to leave our friend's farm for being so insulting. Apparently he continues this insulting behaviour. So sad. sad.gif


Let's talk horses instead. PLEASE!
Sigh
sad.gif May I suggest that Eyegor, Kelly (Echo 1), and Robert (your father Kelly?) PLEASE take your personal dislikes to a personal email bash with each other and leave the public forum for others to enjoy mad.gif
Robert 1
Sigh,
And may I suggest to you ( SIGH ) that you sign your name and register before posting otherwise you are just like the other barking dogs chasing after the bus. wink.gif
Robert,
Echo Hill Arabians
Echo1
Dear Sigh,

Sure great .....Lets talk horses. smile.gif
Eyegor
Hello Kelly, and Robert Gobla,

First let me apologize to other readers for getting involoved with this pair at all.
I would however like to set a few things straight.

I was never asked to leave any farm at any time by any one whether they are your friends or not. I have only one Pritzlaff mare left and am no longer breeding her excepting to satisfy obligations, then no more breeding period. I do not know you personally excepting through your dealings with Mrs. Coffey and her son and even more indirectly with your lease arrangement of Shiko's Kazmeena from the Egyptians, Robin and her mother Anna, near Auburn. I also guarantee that no friend of your's would ever see me on their farm. Mostly because I am unaware of any friends of your's here in California. The only horse people I deal with here on the west coast and they are all people I respect, beginning with individuals in Cambria, Adelaide, Atascadero, Morro Bay, Lancaster, Little Rock, Quartz Hill, Juniper Hills as well as Eagle, Idaho, Oregon and Washington. No One has ever requested I leave their farm for any reason. I have never insulted any breeder nor would I, excepting for the two of you. That is merely to protect newcomers from absolute untruths and falsehoods you spread about everyone. and competing horses. Example, your statement about my being asked to leave a friend of your's farm. That is an absolute lie. Please name that friend. That way we can see who speaks the truth. There is no one who thinks higher of themselves their horses or their accomplishments than You two and EHAP. Perhaps Dave Wilber can enlighten us some more?? Please give others a chance to enjoy their horses without you belittling them constantly and bragging about your accomplishments. I am not going to go into particulars of those you have alienated and driven off your farm and out of Arabian Horses in general as well as off this forum, but I know of quite a few.
I have never been angry about not being able to get a Pritzlaff mare, no need. Never really could afford to keep more than 15 or so head in any case, so when we got to seventeen or so we just cut back via selleng a few then bred them back up and sold these down again, now we have sold all but 4 and we are happy.
It is aggressive and demeaning individuals like you two that give the arabian horse business a bad name. Bad mouthing other's horses and their very person's leaves a bad taste in everyone's mouth.
In my opinion you should be barred from every horse forum in the entire world.
Luckily for both of you that is not up to me.

Now I apologize to all readers again for ever even addressing this subject but I was advised that I was being tag teamed again and to read your posts by an e-mail friend and I allowed myself to read your posts.

OK now have your fun because I will no longer read any of your spiteful and bissiges drivel.
I truly pity you both.

Robert, if you do not understand what I write why are you commenting at all. How do you know I am insulting you if you do not understand my choice of words, which by the way are very simple English, American at that.
blue nobility arabians
Hallo,

wir hatten viele Jahre die schwarze Stute Egypt´s Bint Dal Noir, von Dal Noir aus der Egypt´s Kazmeena, einer Tochter von Ibn Zaghloul aus der Shiko´s Kazmeena, von der ein Bild auf der ersten Seite zu sehen ist. Die Stute wurde 1993 von uns aus den USA importiert. Ihre Tochter Blue Bediya von Bouznika habe ich behalten, es ist die Fuchsstute auf dem dritten Bild.
nina c K
Eyegor,

in case you can't resist and still read: This whole thing was so confusing that for sure nobody would dare to draw an opinion about you from it. All I remarked from this little arguing is that both you and Robert have a funny way of being angry with each other, and that's all. We all know how personal misunderstandings can "escalate", so don't worry. Even if you had been asked to leaves somebodys farm at any time in your life- it would not necessarily have had to be your fault.
We don't know the background and therefor won't judge anything smile.gif
The only conclusion would be not to invite you both to the same party tongue.gif


Thank you blue nobility!
daniela-eva
blue nobility
great you are bringing the horses back to this thread - egypts bint dal noir is a nice looking mare, do you know where she is now ? daniela
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