Hi,

I was looking at some old AH World and found a picture of Fol Yasmeen.
Doen anybody know anything about him, his accomplishments....

Thanks,

Christine

Hello, Germany has only one offspring of Fol Yasmeen - the Mare "REDA" out of Bint Bint Barakat, born in the Hamdan Stables and imported by Mr. Schild, the Mare was later owned by Mrs. P. Horsch. Reda died 2 Years ago in Age 32, she has more then 12 foals and was not a show-beauty, a real desert horse with a strong face hard and correct legs and very sensitiv, but with an own charme. She has Offspring by H.H. Raskal, Anchor Hill Halim and H.H. Moghar. One daugther was sold to switzerland, one son was sold to Italy. 3 Daugthers are broadmares in the Hellmannsberg Gestüt in Germany. Fol Yasmeen was sold to the USA in matured Age. He was an nice and beauty Stallion.

Fol Yasmeen was imported to the USA in 1970, and had a total of 179 offspring!! Some of those were before his importation but not many!

There is no show record, so these many foals would have been his best accomplishment!

Julia

Hi,

Are there any SE in his USA gets?

Christine

Hi Christine...

None. He is not SE as per the USA Pyramid Society. His great grandmother, Kasbana, was by Registan, and by the USA Pyramid Society rules his presence rules out a SE horse because of the presence of Registan in his pedigree.

*Fol Yasmeen is considered Egyptian Related and could not sire any SE horses.

Julia

HI Christine

Fol Yasmeen was in my Quarantine in 1970, imported by Martin Loeber. He was a bout 15,1-15,2 hands tall, very correct, a flying machine and with a sweet dispostion.
A layman could may be not tell that he was not a straight egyptian. Martin did not show him I think, but rode him. I worked with him daily for two months.

He raced in egypt and had eight wins, was bred by ahmad hamza, Hamdan Stables. Martin also at the same time imported his daughter "Ramses Judi" (1968) out of Foze (1959, a very type and correct filly with excellent movement. I really liked this beautiful stallion, he was powerful with an enormous stride.

Hansi
Serenity Arabian farms, Florida

Interesting.. I searched *Fol Yasmeen and found this site.. after reading some of the discussion I couldn't resist registering so I could comment. I can't put my hand on the copy of his race record from Egypt. I think it is ether in storage with some of my stuff in Canada I live in Australia now or my Ex still has it. I will try to track it down and see if I can post it here

We bought *Fol Yasmeen and owned him at the time of his death. We left him to finish the breeding season with Whites and he died 4 days before we were supposed to pick him up. I wrote the feature article on him in the AHW which ran in the same issue as the one on *Bask. Unfortunately *Fol Yasmeen was grossly disadvantaged because of politics within the industry.

It was sad that a horse of his caliber and bloodlines was not used to his fullest potential. Martin Loeber told the Whites that he would never have parted with the horse if it wasn't for the problems having him accepted by the Pyramid Society. Whites and myself ultimately were the winners in that we had the prividge of owning him which wouldn't have been possible if he hadn't been "blocked" from the Pyramid Society as his price would have been astronomical!

Sarah Loeken, Gene Reichardt, Don and Peggy White and Doug Marshall provided me with a lot of the information I used when I wrote the article for AHW about him. His offspring in Egypt were successful on the track and also as "Dancing horses". His daughter *Ramses Judi was imported in the same shipment as him by Martin Loeber.

We replaced *Fol Yasmeen with Fol Zahraht who was Region 17 Champion Stallion. He had the the straight clean legs, personality and temperament of his sire. He died fairly young as a result of colic with the suspected cause ingesting tent catepillars that had been sprayed. He had a habit of stripping the leaves off the bushes in his pen. Losing him uninsured was a financial blow.. we couldn't accept a lesser quality animal and we couldn't afford to replace him. Losing two such special animals took the joy out of the breeding farm for us and we sold off our other *Fol Yasmeen offspring Champion mare ExL Allouette and Mulit Champion Ex L Sameen.

I didn't mean for this to become a book... but if anyone has any questions I can answer I will be happy to do so... I will check back another time.

Sheila

FOL YASMEEN (HSB #14/AHR #69587)

Foal Date: 03 November 1959
Deceased: 14 July 1979
Color: Grey
Gender: Stallion
Breeder: Ahmed Hamza, Hamdan Stables, Egypt
Import/Export: 1970 from Egypt to USA
Groups: The Pyramid Society; Egyptian Bred

Progeny: 180 foals, 1968 to 1980

ABU SIMBEL HSB*55 04 Apr 1968 Stallion Grey
NEGMA DAWLIYAH HSB*40 09 Aug 1968 Mare Grey
JUDI HSB*36 24 Sep 1968 Mare Grey
*RAMSES JUDI AHR*69588 24 Sep 1968 Mare Grey
SHAHRIAR EAOPB*30 15 Mar 1969 Stallion Chestnut
MABROUKA GASB*407/AV*606 20 Oct 1969 Mare Grey
REDA AV*573/GASB*497/EGYPT*183 23 Oct 1970 Mare Grey
ROKAYA GASB*498/EGYPT*182/AV*607 15 Dec 1970 Mare Grey
RAMSES LUXOR AHR*86702 17 Feb 1972 Stallion Grey
AMURATH FINLANDIA AHR*93471 24 Mar 1973 Mare Grey
CEDAR CREEK KAAFI AHR*96138 18 May 1973 Mare Grey
TEMERAS DEJA VU AHR*108353 03 Mar 1974 Mare Grey
SAR MEEN AHR*200431 10 Mar 1974 Stallion Chestnut
KHATUM YASIMIN AHR*109003 11 Mar 1974 Mare Grey
FOL DEZEEN AHR*112512 28 Mar 1974 Gelding Grey
SILVER YASMEEN AHR*110026 29 Mar 1974 Gelding Grey
TALI AMRIKA AHR*103605 12 Apr 1974 Mare Chestnut
ROSE OF RASMON AHR*108780 25 Apr 1974 Mare Grey
MARA ANN JINDA AHR*114863 05 May 1974 Mare Grey
YASMEENS FOL AHR*108990 25 May 1974 Gelding Chestnut
MAHSHOMI AHR*113209 28 May 1974 Gelding Grey
LI FANFARE AHR*123078 04 Aug 1974 Gelding Grey
TEMERAS AKIA AHR*117250 18 Aug 1974 Mare Grey
FOL CAPRICE AHR*115640 31 Aug 1974 Mare Bay
MONASHUA AHR*113903 31 Aug 1974 Mare Chestnut
DAANAS DAWN AHR*115283 19 Oct 1974 Mare Chestnut
BUREAU-CRAT AHR*118086 03 Dec 1974 Gelding Grey
FOL DUBONNET AHR*121011 01 Feb 1975 Gelding Chestnut
WW MAR TOO CAHR*19345/AHR*131276 03 Feb 1975 Mare Grey
FOL MILOV AHR*121838 25 Feb 1975 Mare Bay
ARBACES AHR*117505 12 Mar 1975 Stallion Grey
JOVAVNA YASMEEN AHR*132107 16 Mar 1975 Mare Grey
LUMINATOR AHR*127681 26 Mar 1975 Gelding Chestnut
ELROSE-OF-RAZMEEN AHR*131770 27 Mar 1975 Gelding Bay
FOL LEGACY AHR*125062 07 Apr 1975 Stallion Bay
YASMEEN EL NASR AHR*123312/CAHR*6543 08 Apr 1975 Stallion Grey
FOLETTE AHR*125916 08 Apr 1975 Mare Chestnut
FOL SCIROCCO AHR*125282 10 Apr 1975 Stallion Grey
AL PALAM AHR*120293 19 Apr 1975 Gelding Grey
MADONNA MONIET AHR*126467 27 Apr 1975 Mare Grey
FALCON FLIGHT AHR*142735 28 Apr 1975 Gelding Grey
EGYPTIAN FOL-LEE AHR*122891/CAHR*5706 30 Apr 1975 Stallion Grey
FOLIETTE CAHR*9515/AHR*126236 02 May 1975 Mare Chestnut
ASZMA AHR*128237 13 May 1975 Mare Grey
BINT KHALASKA AHR*126763 19 May 1975 Mare Chestnut
WW RAHLISSA AHR*131278/CAHR*13116 28 May 1975 Mare Chestnut
ALGENON AHR*129358 02 Jun 1975 Gelding Grey
MYSTEEK JASMEEN AHR*119799 13 Jun 1975 Mare Chestnut
MASTER FOL AHR*129623 15 Jun 1975 Gelding Grey
JOY FOL AHR*142737 19 Jun 1975 Mare Grey
EX L SAMEEN AHR*130177/CAHR*13567 23 Jun 1975 Mare Grey
ANNA-MEEN AHR*130648 10 Jul 1975 Mare Chestnut
ISIS BAKR YASMEEN AHR*152479 20 Jul 1975 Mare Chestnut
WW YAS NEETE AHR*131277 01 Aug 1975 Gelding Grey
EX-L ALOUETTE AHR*128853/CAHR*8115 24 Aug 1975 Mare Grey
FOLNETTE AHR*132152 29 Aug 1975 Mare Chestnut
MANSOUR AHSA*5555 21 Oct 1975 Stallion Bay
FOL ESCAPADE AHR*135299 11 Jan 1976 Gelding Chestnut
BINT RASEYNETTE AHR*136213 11 Feb 1976 Mare Chestnut
FOL AAHMES AHR*134548 12 Feb 1976 Gelding Chestnut
WW LADY YASMEEN AHR*148507 15 Feb 1976 Mare Grey
MISS YASMEEN AHR*137443 23 Feb 1976 Mare Chestnut
DELIGHT FOL AHR*137671 28 Feb 1976 Mare Grey
APEX FOL-LETT AHR*138019 04 Mar 1976 Mare Grey
STAR YASMEEN AHR*145727/CAHR*14037 04 Mar 1976 Mare Chestnut
FUNFAR DEZZ AHR*132697 08 Mar 1976 Mare Grey
GHENAI AHR*136547 12 Mar 1976 Mare Chestnut
JF FOLEYNA AHR*138315 21 Mar 1976 Mare Grey
FOL ZAHRAHT AHR*138851 03 Apr 1976 Stallion Bay
HAMIDAS YASMINE AHR*142764 03 Apr 1976 Mare Grey
FOL ZAHRAHT CAHR*12488 03 Apr 1976 Stallion Bay
ZEENARA AHR*135922 15 Apr 1976 Mare Grey
MAY FOLLY AHR*141681 01 May 1976 Mare Grey
LA FLORATINA AHR*134283/CAHR*7216 04 May 1976 Mare Grey
FOL CARESS AHR*143466 10 May 1976 Mare Grey
FOLLASKA AHR*140436 13 May 1976 Mare Chestnut
SUBI YASMETTE AHR*134324/CAHR*25539 20 May 1976 Mare Chestnut
FOL VICTORIA CAHR*9423/AHR*139733 24 May 1976 Mare Chestnut
BINT HI JIDHR AHR*145358 05 Jun 1976 Mare Chestnut
SCHERMEEN AHR*150179 10 Jun 1976 Stallion Bay
FOL DRAMEEN AHR*144348 11 Jun 1976 Stallion Chestnut
FAHNSI AHR*145357 18 Jun 1976 Mare Grey
FOLSEYMA AHR*141461 29 Jun 1976 Mare Grey
DAHMASCUSS+ AHR*145228 03 Jul 1976 Gelding Chestnut
YASMEENS FREEDOM AHR*144632 05 Jul 1976 Mare Bay
LI PATRIOT AHR*151183 09 Jul 1976 Stallion Grey
FOLEYN AHR*140048/CAHR*7591 11 Jul 1976 Mare Grey
JF FAROE AHR*140408 13 Jul 1976 Gelding Grey
EX-L CHARISMA AHR*145882/CAHR*8529 04 Aug 1976 Stallion Grey
ALDAR YASMEENA AHR*137525 10 Aug 1976 Mare Chestnut
E-DESIRE AHR*138294 28 Aug 1976 Mare Grey
FOL E GABRIEL AHR*146235/CAHR*10405 28 Sep 1976 Mare Chestnut
JF FOREAL AHR*149544 04 Jan 1977 Stallion Chestnut
WW FOL DAHMES AHR*149708 04 Jan 1977 Stallion Chestnut
WAYJANS YASMIR AHR*161911 29 Jan 1977 Stallion Grey
FOL RIGEL AHR*151953 05 Feb 1977 Stallion Grey
BEN YASMEEN AHR*152071 14 Feb 1977 Gelding Grey
WW FOL RHEA AHR*161701 16 Feb 1977 Mare Grey
SHU BARNSTORMER AHR*160973 28 Feb 1977 Gelding Grey
YASMEEN PARIJATA AHR*182253 10 Mar 1977 Mare Grey
APEX DESIRE AHR*154853 14 Mar 1977 Mare Grey
TAZMEEN AHR*157499 18 Mar 1977 Mare Grey
HC BALLERINA AHR*149558 19 Mar 1977 Mare Chestnut
FANCI FOL AHR*155791 27 Mar 1977 Mare Bay
PRINCE E HONDO AHR*148801/CAHR*15766 02 Apr 1977 Stallion Grey
FOLARIS AHR*155283 04 Apr 1977 Gelding Grey
SHALMEEN HAHR*3A178734 05 Apr 1977 Mare Chestnut
FOL WYNDE AHR*165000 10 Apr 1977 Gelding Chestnut
GMSHAITANI KARUBI AHR*169108 14 Apr 1977 Gelding Chestnut
APEX CHABLIS AHR*157244 15 Apr 1977 Mare Chestnut
FARAHNIQUE AHR*152602 27 Apr 1977 Mare Grey
DAUTANION AHR*165917/CAHR*15849 27 Apr 1977 Stallion Grey
SAN RIO MARQUIS CAHR*8928 28 Apr 1977 Stallion Grey
WAYJANS KASSANA AHR*197255 28 Apr 1977 Mare Bay
SAN RIO MARQUIS AHR*156773 28 Apr 1977 Gelding Grey
FOL LITA AHR*163633 02 May 1977 Mare Chestnut
FOL RAHMEYN AHR*156776 11 May 1977 Gelding Chestnut
HANAFFI AHR*160650 18 May 1977 Gelding Chestnut
SAN RIO BEAU AHR*156772/CAHR*8929 21 May 1977 Gelding Grey
SUBI EL CAMPARI AHR*152603 30 May 1977 Gelding Chestnut
FOL CONTESSINA AHR*159991 31 May 1977 Mare Grey
SWEET YASMEEN AHR*161153 12 Jun 1977 Mare Chestnut
FOL IMPERIAL AHR*158247 16 Jun 1977 Gelding Chestnut
YAS-MAN-DEE AHR*162981 25 Jun 1977 Mare Grey
FOL YASMA AHR*164999 01 Jul 1977 Gelding Grey
AD FOL DELYS AHR*167652 01 Jul 1977 Mare Grey
PEACE HAWK AHR*157330 05 Jul 1977 Gelding Grey
FOL FROM AFHAR AHR*155101 06 Jul 1977 Gelding Grey
SHAMAMEEN AHR*164350 16 Jul 1977 Mare Grey
E-FOLONNA AHR*165602 05 Nov 1977 Mare Chestnut
SHANADA LE AHR*163997 11 Jan 1978 Mare Grey
EX-L DIVENA AHR*182584/CAHR*11070 14 Jan 1978 Mare Grey
SFF FOL ESSENCE AHR*179374 19 Jan 1978 Mare Grey
WW FOL YASDRA AHR*181151 01 Feb 1978 Mare Grey
LL CRESENT AHR*171813 25 Feb 1978 Stallion Bay
AR FARI FATIHA AHR*171522 02 Mar 1978 Mare Grey
CO CO AHR*165310 15 Mar 1978 Mare Chestnut
ARISTOI AHR*169220/CAHR*10192 21 Mar 1978 Stallion Grey
FOL KAMAL AHR*171562 26 Mar 1978 Stallion Chestnut
E-RAHZAMEEN AHR*169190 27 Mar 1978 Stallion Grey
WW FOL SHAMEEN AHR*181152 06 Apr 1978 Stallion Grey
SURAMEEN AHR*190974 06 Apr 1978 Mare Grey
FOL MARQUIS AHR*178591 06 Apr 1978 Stallion Grey
APEX SAPPARO AHR*183145 10 Apr 1978 Gelding Grey
PRINCE E FOLEEM AHR*176937 11 Apr 1978 Gelding Grey
JF FOLISSA AHR*186613 12 Apr 1978 Mare Grey
FOL RAFFDAZON AHR*206937 21 Apr 1978 Stallion Grey
FOL NABEEL AHR*176494/CAHR*12669 05 May 1978 Stallion Grey
MG TAREK AHR*176750 09 May 1978 Gelding Grey
ALDAR YASEEM AHR*173395 20 May 1978 Gelding Grey
FOL FAREEDA AHR*177686 24 May 1978 Mare Chestnut
FOL FAYEZ AHR*176000/CAHR*11076 25 May 1978 Stallion Grey
FOL SHARAI AHR*170662 26 May 1978 Stallion Chestnut
PHASEEM AHR*190975 27 May 1978 Gelding Grey
RAHZPYDAR AHR*181834 29 May 1978 Gelding Grey
AD FOL DEJOUR AHR*175538 15 Jun 1978 Mare Chestnut
FOL KHALMEEN AHR*178590 18 Jun 1978 Mare Grey
FOL AMEERA AHR*177582 26 Jun 1978 Mare Grey
PURPLE HAZE FANCYS DESEREE CAHR*11073 23 Jul 1978 Mare Chestnut
PH FANCYS DESIREE AHR*185979 24 Jul 1978 Mare Chestnut
FOL ADANTE AHR*181111/CAHR*12670 27 Jul 1978 Stallion Grey
EX-L GLORY OF RA/EX-L GLORYOFRAA CAHR*11135/AHR*185839 03 Feb 1979 Stallion Bay
FOL QADIRO AHR*196312 03 Feb 1979 Stallion Grey
KHALDEEN AHR*212921 03 Mar 1979 Stallion Grey
GAMIL RAINBOW AHR*188012 17 Mar 1979 Mare Grey
AW XQUISITE AHR*186008 10 Apr 1979 Mare Chestnut
IBN YASMEEN AHR*200168 12 Apr 1979 Stallion Bay
TW FAUNTASY AHR*188746/CAHR*11743 16 Apr 1979 Mare Grey
WDH AL KADER AHR*192697 21 Apr 1979 Gelding Grey
YASMEEN ROSE AHR*194484 27 Apr 1979 Mare Grey
FOLFILED PROPHECY AHR*191167 27 Apr 1979 Gelding Bay
ALDAR JUREENA AHR*203237 30 Apr 1979 Mare Grey
DOLLYS ECHO AHR*195669 05 May 1979 Mare Chestnut
FOL YASRIA AHR*203453 12 May 1979 Mare Chestnut
STARBORNE RABDANA AHR*203496 19 May 1979 Mare Bay
ENAJAMEEN AHR*193944 31 May 1979 Gelding Grey
FINISHA AHR*195471 05 Jun 1979 Mare Chestnut
FOL SCIMITAR AHR*197150/CAHR*19644 06 Jun 1979 Stallion Grey
FOL ENJOLI AHR*197151 06 Jun 1979 Mare Grey
JF FOLDERAHL+ AHR*206505 10 Jul 1979 Mare Grey
ALDAR FADTEEMA AHR*239074 05 Mar 1980 Mare Grey
FOL RADAMA AHR*214766 22 Mar 1980 Stallion Grey
SUPERIOR AHR*208839 25 Mar 1980 Stallion Grey
JF XANADU AHR*234540 08 Apr 1980 Mare Grey

Photos: From Fotki

Fol Yasmeens daughter in Germany was Negma Dawliyah, but she does't aceppted be the WAHO, now about the pedigree of her Mother Bint Nafa'a.....She had El Gada'a in her Blood.......

Omg glad i didn't respond until i re read tee hee hee at myself i thought fol yasmeen was a mare and when i first read ( she) had 179 foals i was going to say wow a wonder mare but then i re read and realized that she was a stallion .. phew.. it pays off to re read things sometimes

*Fol Yasmeen has offspring who were born in other countries than Egypt, USA and Canada. Whites sold at least one 3 in one package to Australia. Sarah Loeken discribed seeing the horses ridden Through Cairo from the stables outside of town and even being loaded onto buses with the people for part of the trips.

The starter's gate was a net that looked much like a tennis net stretched across the track. Mares and stallions were lined up together.. raced then ridden back through traffic to their stables. I don't know what *FY's offspring accomplished racing in Egypt but I was told that they would have to have proven themselves on the track before their sire could be given "permanent status" as was recorded on his documentation. I have seen pictures of some of his offspring from Egypt that were identified as Very successful Dancing Horses of Egypt.

There is no show record, so these many foals would have been his best accomplishment!

I could not find anything about the foals and there accomplish in the US , Do any of you know what they might be?