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katarin
Dear Hansi,

when a friend of mine told me early this summer that he wanted to by an Arab Horse, I started some research via google. I spent three weeks reading the discussions in this forum and of course you stood out. And I admit: everything you said sounded right. But I haven't seen any of your horses and a small doubt remained.

Time passes fast theses days and about six weeks ago I drowned into a totally different subject. Horses were no matter any more, I forgot all the names and opinions. This friend of mine, however, was grateful for my research and invited us to the Marbach Hengstparade.

I'm right back from the parade and it urges me to tell you, what happened. My knowledge of live horses dates back quite a long time, some 20 to 30 years. At that time, I encountered Hadban Enzahi and Gahrib. But that was a very short period in my life. No horses any more, other subjects became more important.

Today I enjoyed the event, but it was just fun. Not touching, if you understand, what I mean. To be frank, I was utterly sentimental in a way like "nothing is as it used to be". Where is Hadban, where is my youth?

Until the moment when they showed three Arab stallions. Dschenim of course was supposed to be the star. Next to him another very nice stallion. But then, the third was different. Very lively, very... beautiful. Not just beautiful, but touching. I stood there with this friend of mine, I knew I didn't have any idea about horses anymore, but I couldn't hold back my tongue. 'Look at this one'.

During the break my daughter and her friend told me, that Dschehim had been the most beautiful. I mentioned the one I had noticed - no chance, they hadn't noticed him. Well, that's life, we're all getting older.

After the break, a stallion appeared and was laid down to earth. The rider could do with him whatever he wanted. And he confided to the stallion. I had recognised the horse at first sight. The friend of mine uttered: 'isn't that your favorite?' Yes, it was him again. We looked him up in the program and the fathers name was...

Serenity Habib. You will have guessed it by now, the stallion I fell in love with is Nahdmi. The second stallion who caught my eye was a Habib son as well. Hansi, I have to apologize. I was stupid enough to let myself be influenced by forum discussions. Not that I didn't think your arguments were perfectly sound. The others in this forum had implanted a slight doubt: are your horses real Arabs? How about their beauty?

Your horses are the most beautiful Arabs I have encountered today. They stood out - in temperament and beauty. And I'm not the only one to judge. The friend of mine - still searching a horse - murmered: 'we should ask them, how much he costs.' I did it. I mean later we encountered the man you have to ask, if you want to buy a horse from Marbach. This is a state run company, so the world is ticking in a different way. The man was very interested in selling a horse to my friend. I interrupted them and asked, if I may ask just the one question. The friend of mine smiled and said: 'Go ahead.' I just said his name. The man, who was smiling expectantly until then, heard the name, looked up into the sky in a dispaired way. It took him more than 60 seconds to answer. 'Unsalable.' He was suffering, the poor one ;-)

My stepmother bought the 2008 Calendar for the kids. In it there is only one Arab stallion. Twice. Nahdmi. We all agree. He is so beautiful. Nothing against Dschehim. Nice horse. But Nahdmi is something different. He is special, touching - he is the Arab that I have grown to know when I first encountered Hadban Enzahi.

If you are interested and someone gives me a hint how to put them online, I will show you some pictures my daughter took. Two of them would suffice to demonstrate, what this horse is about.

The man responsible for selling horses told me, that Serenity Habib is now in Italy. Is that information correct? The second stallion is a brown one, the friend of my daughter has taken all our programs with her and I don't recall his name. Maybe this one isn't unsalable?

Best regards,
Katrin
HLM
Dear Katrin

thank you for the nice compliments. when Serenity Habib's first foal crop was on the ground I visited Marbach to inspect them. Dr Gebhard was very pleased, so was I. These foals came out of mares with different bloodlines, yet showed many identical traids. I explained to him that this line matures a bit later and one needs to wait and not hastily make decisions before they are at least 5 years old.

I am not certain if Habib is still in Italy with Mr Luder. He is now 24 years old (Habib) foaled March 21/1983. If he is anything like his full brother Serenity IbnKhofo (1977), he will live a number of years yet.

thanks again and have a wonderful day
Hansi biggrin.gif
Serenity Arabian Farms
Mr Prospector
Well, Hansi. This is a lovely compliment to your breeding. Congratulations.

cheers
Karen
Sha3lan
How nice .. smile.gif
Congratulation smile.gif
Yassmin
1rider
Hansi, I have to apologize. I was stupid enough to let myself be influenced by forum discussions. Not that I didn't think your arguments were perfectly sound. The others in this forum had implanted a slight doubt: are your horses real Arabs? How about their beauty?
so nice to see someone appreciate a truely fine horse that can be riden not just led around an arena> Hansi is one of the few that never bred a fad like i still here of khemosabi/ bay shah stuff . Been to visit Hansi and she would put me up on everyone of the stallions just a few are getting older. For me to see so few in the states(serenity horses) is a huge loss to the straights with Thee fad going would put any of Hansi horses up agaginst one of them in compatition any day. Ken
Babs
This is very nice. Though this hores were not bred by Hansi but sired by a stallion bred by her and went more after their dams, still it is a good statement for Hansi as a breeder! Her breeding programme and reputation as a breeder is somewhat overshadowed by the "big triangle" in the US (Ansata, Gleannloch, Imperial) and overlooked from many.
MHuprich
I can't remember anyone saying the Serenity horses were anything but purebred, SE, etc. There is no reason to question their purity of blood.
Dennis
QUOTE (1rider @ Oct 1 2007, 05:37 AM)
Hansi is one of the few that never bred a fad like i still here of khemosabi/ bay shah stuff .  Been to visit Hansi and she would put me up on everyone of the stallions just a few are getting older. For me  to see so few in the states(serenity horses) is a huge loss to the straights with Thee fad going would put any of Hansi horses up agaginst one of them in compatition any day.  Ken
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Certainly off topic but what is "fad" about a horse like Khemosabi? He was a real horse with honest owners and a loyal followship. He earned his reputation the hard way, bred a few mares each year and the resulting foals made him more famous year after year. His sons and daughters are/were wonderful mounts and earned a lot of championships in a variety of performance classes.
I just want to set the record straight here! mad.gif mad.gif mad.gif mad.gif
Dennis
You can't seperate the horses from their breeder and Hansi Heck obviously has made not so many friends in the States due to her constant personal attacks over the years.
She was a "big guy" herself at the start and played with the other biggies and sold horses for huge sums but certainly this was long before she invented herself as the "Robin Hood" for the small breeders here in this Forum. smile.gif
HLM
Thank you everybody, I really appreciate this

Now to you Dennis "sold for huge amounts" Is about less than $ 30,000 a huge amount for an undefeated National Champion Mare Serenity Sonbolah? So my dear, we never sold ANYTHING FOR HUGE AMOUNTS, but paid huge amounts like $ 200,000 for Zarif Amira when just a yearling, or $ 215.00 for Quisani at an "auction". We put multi millions into the preservation oft the SE Arabians,
never lost sight of breeding for a functional beautiful one, because as a "rider" I know what it takes. And even today our prices have been most reasonable and far below those of particular well known farms. Reason, we made sure they go into the right hands and are not turned into garden ornaments.
Dennis, it is wise to never believe in rumors, but rather go to the source and find out the truth.

Getting some people mad at me, I have no problems with that either. When you fight corruption, lies, politics and stand behind our smaller breeders, of course
some will get upset. However, that has never handicapped us from marketing including internationally or many of our horses winning championships.

some of us simply used our riches to preserve, which included Doug Marshall, Jarrel McCracken, Jim Kline, Martin Loeber and others. some people collect butterflies and paitings, we all simply wanted to preserve what is in our opinion the progenator of most all breeds and never, ever straying away from what a horse is meant for. We are thinking of the children of tomorrow, what they will enherite
and will continue to educate as we were long ago. When they graduate from their wooden rocking horse, we want the SEs being there for them to enjoy as we have and do. And those who wish to become breeders, we want to make sure that at least some predictable pedigrees are left for them to make decisions.

All take care and do some tall thinking please.

Hansi biggrin.gif
Serenity Arabian Farms

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katarin
Hello again,

sorry, my English has become a bit rusty. So here are the pictures of his first appearance. A movie would have shown better, but the first picture is representative: Dschehim and Said rather bored, while Nahdmi is full of playful energy. That's when he caught my eye.
katarin
And now Nahdmis second performance. He kept what he promised in his first appearance. The man who is not willing to sell him told me, that Nahdmi wants to be ridden. Well yes, and not just ridden...
katarin
Hmpf, I've uploaded the pics in the correct order, somehow www mixed them up.
Anyhow, look at Nahdmi and the faces in the audience, when he made his farewell round.
HLM
Dear Katarin

thank you so much for these beautiful photos. He looks so beautiful. I am always the last one seeing a photo of our horses or those with our bloodlines and am so grateful when someone sends them to me or at least puts them over the forum.

Marbach did a wonderful job with him and I can wait to see him in the near future.

thanks again, you just made our day

best regards
Hansi and Bill biggrin.gif
Serenity Arabian Farms
2mntn
Dear Katarin,

Allow me to send a big "THANK YOU", as well! As the owner of more than a few Serenity horses, I can't help but say, "HEAR, HEAR"!! biggrin.gif biggrin.gif

We are anxiously awaiting the only Serenity Habib son (Serenity El Hajar) in the USA to arrive at our ranch within the next two weeks. Serenity El Hajar is a 1988 model, as opposed to the 1999 Nahdmi, but from the photos you've posted I would say that Serenity Habib sires consistently good horses.

Well Hansi, Nahdmi is very obviously "tested under saddle"! biggrin.gif I wonder if Marbach plans to use him as a sire? Datasource does not show any offspring, but he's still young and Datasource is still out-of-date! laugh.gif

Also, a matter of curiousity from a homeboy who has never left the North American continent - is the rider of Nahdmi dressed in uniform due to Marbach being the owner?

Thanks again, Katarin, for sharing your thoughts and the pictures - wonderful!!

Ray
katarin
@Dennis,

you're certainly right with your statement that a horse can't be seperated from its breeder. I don't know much about anatomic details, but I can smell if a horse is forced to do something, if it is doing what it's asked to do or if it is having fun when performing.

I'm aware that you can create a new personality in cyberspace without anybody noticing it until they meet you in person. I couldn't meet Hansi in person. Nahdmi and Nurabid had to tell me. After having had the chance to see them, your argument leeds me to the conclusion that Hansis personality is just what the two sons of a stallion bred by her told me. They convinced me.

@Babs,

why are you so sure that Nahdmis and Nurabids qualities are exlusively due to their mothers? Marbach has a well know mare herd, they test and select their offspring continiously. A few stallions have had their chance, yet this year we had four stallions presented. Two Pamir sons and two Serenity Habib sons. Yesterday I made my choice and Serenity Habib was the winner. Again: nothing against Dschehim and Said - they're beautiful in their way. If you go for beauty or technical details like movement, you might opt for them.

I opted for the two others because my definition of beauty, especially concerning the Arabian horse, is a mix of beauty, movement and personality. The latter being the most important part. Please don't misunderstand me - I'm not giving up beauty or movement for character. A horse that can't move, won't love it. And both, Nahdmi and Nurabid loved it.

Somewhere in this forum I read a thread about a beautiful Marbach mare - Nari. Someone said that Serenity Habib was spoiling this beauty and someone else stated that you could tell his fatherhood at first sight by non-Arabian noses. Yesterday, when I looked up the program and saw Serenity Habib as the father, I reminded this thread.

I'll finish my statement by resuming all I've read in this forum: if Serenity Habib 'spoiled' the Marbach offspring, if he gives them typical noses, then I'll go for it.

Dear Hans and Bill,

if I made your day today, it's only justice. You made mine yesterday. Marbach is not lost, as many stated in the forum. It's all about marketing, but some marketing methods only work in the short term.
katarin
@2mntn,

after some research I'm aware of three Nahdmi offspring. Marbach doesn't display its complete breeding policy. However, we were told that all mares expect foals from Insh Allah - the stallion who was let by the Princess of Jordania this year. My personal feeling is, that they took of Nurabid from the Hengstverteilungsplan due to lacking demand. And that their future hopes within the Arabian race are upon Nahdmi. But the Arabian horse is just a tiny part of Marbach. In the end it all depends upon the new leadership. The new director made a good impression this year, but who knows...

In the end, she like all the others, will have to obey to the market rules. Yesterday the arena was sold out. Ten thousand people admiring the horses and the Arabians were one highlight. I'm saying <b>one</b>, not <b>the</b> highlight.
HLM
Dear Katarin

Now I really had to laugh, a Habib Nose? what's wrong with his nose? His father Khofo++ had a beautiful one and so did his dam.What are people talking about? I remember his mussle with paper thin nostrils. I never heard this complaint before. Boy or Boy, what next? They must be referring to my nose biggrin.gif

As you might know Marbach has almost 1000 horses of all breeds. They test their stallions and also look at their first two foal crops pretty hard. I believe Habib stood at Marbach for 3-4 breeding seasons.It was Dr. Cranz who discovered Habib at a show, did not know who he was, hunted down the owner Willy Luder and persuated him to lease the stallion to Marbach.

Carola Toischle made a georgeous photo of Habib, when ridden by a young boy,
holding a dog in his arms infront and a mare without rider following him, with also some hounds on the ground next to Habib. there you will see a beautiful nose, paper thin nostrils,square and pikant. this photo is also in my volume six of the Straight Egyptina Index. If Carola reads this may be she can put that photo on here please. Or if someone else can, giving credit to Carola Toischle.

However, each one of us must aquire or breed what they prefer. If people want consistent par excellent movement, dispostion, beauty and heart, well the Serenity Arabians have never let me down. Never had a complaint from other owners either.

thanks again dear Katarin.

Hansi biggrin.gif
Serenity Arabian Farms
Mr Prospector
Well, Hansi, my opinion is that when you see a beautiful horse like this come from your breeding program, you know that no matter what anyone says, you have been doing things the right way. The fact that this horse can perform and do such a wonderful performance means he is very trainable. Trainable has to come from both sides of the pedigree.

I have seen other horses that trace to Hansi's horses, and they too are quite trainable, and at the same time good looking horses. Her program has contributed to many. Often the results are thus.

good luck to everyone.

cheers
Karen
gadonatella
When I look at these pictures I see a horse with wonderful conformation first; big broad chest, deep hips with substance, great legs, nice shoulders and well-set neck... then I look at the head. People can breed for a 'deep dish' with spindly crooked legs and weak hips/croups if that's what they prefer but obviously they don't plan on ever riding the horse. The Morafic lines may have a straighter head but I think it's still a gorgeous very typy look. This stallion exudes athleticism and personality along with beauty !! Hansi should be proud of her contribution to the SE's for breeding rideable horses and not just 'deep dished' heads.

Thanks for posting the pictures.. gorgeous wink.gif

Sandy
Georgia
biggrin.gif Hey, this was a real treat to see.. what pictures of a wonderful horse.
Your buttons must be popping Hansi and deservingly so..

I love his nose too!!

Georgia
katarin
@2mntn,

no the man in uniform is not the owner. Unfortunately I can't find the program, we must have lost it. He is something like a Landeshauptrittmeister, which means he is the foreman of the riders employed by the Land Baden-Württemberg. They're all lifetime public servants tongue.gif

He's not the highest ranking, but seems to be responsible for the Arabians. In the first pic with the three stallions he is leading Dschehim.
katarin
Dear Hansi,

Rodania aka Betty said last year, that you can recognise Habibs offspring in Marbach by their "moose noses":

http://www.straightegyptians.com/forum2/in...l=nurabid&st=15

After having seen Nahdmi and Nurabid I have only one explanation left: mooses must have grown into real beauties since I last encountered them blink.gif

Seriously, these anatomic details are not my expertise. What I can tell is that I've seen Hadban Enzahi and Gharib live in Marbach when I was a kid. Dschehim is a very very nice stallion and had a very different task, he had to show the Piaffe. The moment of magic was Nahdmi.
oli
Nadhmi (Serenity Habib x Nasseb by Gharib
Photo: Kube
HLM
Well dear Katarin if Rodania calls Habib's nose an Moose Nose, I guess she has never seen a Moose. Or, cant tell the difference. If the latter is the case I just wonder how she sees other parts of a horse's conformation.

We never bred a horse having a Moose nose, but we do have some which do not have a "Hechtkopf" very dished face. However, these straighter heads always turn out to be very pikant, dry and expressive. Mind you, each to its own, some like Marilyn Monroes, others Jane Russel, eh.

What counts to me is what a horse can do, his disposition and what they breed on. Habib's entire line is champion studded through performance and halter accomplishments and offspring/offspring of this line continue doing this up to date.
That satiesfies Bill and me very much.

Take care
Hansi biggrin.gif
Serenity Arabian Farms
oli
You will find some pics of Nadhmi from last year here!.

katarin
Dear Hansi,

sorry for having digged out this stupid comment. I linked it because now everybody who really wants to learn about moose noses can google it and look at the photos of Nahdmi. I bet people will try to ride Mooses soon ohmy.gif

Having worked in a chocolate company I know how marketing works. Despite this knowledge I fell into the trap. My fault but now I know that Marbach is not lost. They did a good job, as a state-run company they were less exposed to short-term fashions.

I'm glad that Oli chose Dschehim for his marvelous Gharib daughter, because he is aware that it is too simple to take one succesfull horse and turn it into the only great-grandfather of its offspring.

Oli,
of course I know your beatiful photos of last years Hengstparade. And I sincerely envy you. Why were there no foals in the Silver Herd this year? Did anything happen last year? They showed the Warmblut foals, but no Arabian ones.
2mntn
Dear Katarin and Oli,

Just wanted to say thanks again for the photos and the links!

Also - one of the things I love the most about these photos is seeing all the people in the crowd!! WOW!! Is this a typical turnout for horse show events over there in Europe?

A moose-nose lover, tongue.gif
Ray
Jenny Lees
gbfahne.gif A Moose nose? ........ I have had the good fortune to have seen some of Hansi's horses here in the UK and I had three of her lovely stallions at my farm for a while.. ...I have never seen anything look less like a Moose in my life! The stallions were athletic horses with good shoulders, nice movement and lovely "dried" heads. They had big eyes and sweet temperaments. Jenny.
Diana
In Germany we call this kind of thing "moose nose". Some Gharib horses were known for it and Judith Forbis' Ansata Iemhotep also has a so-called "moose nose". Where's the problem folks? smile.gif
oli
@ Katarin
last year it was the first time that the arabian mares were showed with foals. That was very nice.
I bred my Gharib daughter Nemad (xNedjari) last year to Dschehim but sadly without success. But I got a beautiful Dschehim daughter this year out of our mare Angel Heart. Angels father Nabya Ibn Gharib is a fullbrother in blood to Nemad so I have also Dschehim,Gharib and Nadja in the fillies pedigree. Angel is again in foal to Dschehim for 2008.

@Ray
The Marbach "Stallion Parade" ist very well known in Germany with 11.000 visitors per day. Today (national holiday) is the last Parade this year. Again all tickets are sold.....
The Marbach staff always wear the "Marbach Uniform" for official inducements.

Dschehim with Horst König
Photos: Erwin Escher, Schreiner


katarin
@Oli,

bevor ich auf den Rest antworte, eine kurze Frage. Meinst Du, es war auch Horst König, der dieses Jahr Nahdmi geritten hat? Ich habe das Programm verloren :-(

Grüße,
Katrin
oli
Die Freiheitsdressur hat Horst König mit Nadhmi gemacht. Da ich dieses Jahr die Hengstparaden leider nicht besuchen konnte, kann ich leider keine Aussage dazu machen, ob er auch sein Reiter war, sorry
katarin
Danke, Oli. Inzwischen habe ich telefoniert: es war Horst König.
MKane
Hansi,

Help me here. I love the horse pictured in Post #13 but in the last photo usn't he behind the bit?
HLM
Yes he is, actually I think is is playing a bit (clowning).

Hansi biggrin.gif
Serenity Arabian Farms
Rosi Straub
Super Fotos von Nahdmi Dankeschön!
katarin
QUOTE (Diana @ Oct 3 2007, 05:45 AM)
In Germany we call this kind of thing "moose nose". Some Gharib horses were known for it and Judith Forbis' Ansata Iemhotep also has a so-called "moose nose". Where's the problem folks?  smile.gif
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Dear Diana,

as I stated in the beginning: I'm not an expert. Just a fan of the Arabian horse and very grateful for the moments of magic I was allowed to have with Hadban Enzahi, Gharib and now Nahdmi. If you would teach somebody who loves these horses and would like to learn more about mosse noses, which picture would you take?
katarin
QUOTE (oli @ Oct 3 2007, 07:11 AM)
@ Katarin
last year it was the first time that the arabian mares were showed with foals. That was very nice.


Are you sure it was the first time? I saw a handful Hengstparaden some twenty years ago and I could swear I remember the Arabian foals in the herd. Just as I remember that I was shivering in my wet clothes (it was always raining) and treasured the moments after the show in the warm stallions stable.

QUOTE
I bred my Gharib daughter Nemad (xNedjari) last year to Dschehim but sadly without success. But I got a beautiful Dschehim daughter this year out of our mare Angel Heart.  Angels father Nabya Ibn Gharib is a fullbrother in blood to Nemad so I have also  Dschehim,Gharib and Nadja in the fillies pedigree. Angel is again in foal to Dschehim for 2008.


What a pity about Nemad - a foal would have been a treasure. At first I was astonished that you chose Dschehim. Not because of him, but my research last summer made me realize that the SE world has changed dramatically within the last twenty years. And I wondered why you had chosen a non SE stallion. I'm not fanatic about the SE question - how could I having learned about all this just some months ago? What worries me is the domination of a certain 'type' that I wouldn't have recognised as the typical Arabian horse I once knew.

Nothing against that type, but I've seen similar developments with certain dogs. The worse experience were friends of us who had to put their dog to sleep at the age of 11 months. The dog was supposed to grow up with the familys two kids, you cannot imagine the grieve of those children.

Everyone can have a certain preference for a certain type, this is not the question. But what is happening with certain dogs who are en vogue is insane. Our dog (we decided to get one next year) will eather be a very unfashionable type or a mixture. When I started researching for the friend of mine who is looking for an Arabian horse, I encountered the same phenomenon.

My statement will not bring me many new friends, but maybe one or another starts thinking about what he's doing. I've studied horses and their pedigrees for quite a while this summer. When Otto Frey is talking about Marbach inbreeding, he means something completely different than what is actually taking place. I saw heads that frightened me. You couldn't tell if eyes or nostrils were going to explode first. Maybe I have a different view because I used to ride horses and when I see Nahdmi clowning I just know that he is doing it in a joyful manner. I see his personality and don't bother about his tiny trait of what is called 'moose nose' in Germany.

Well, to cut things short - it's hard to say, but it has to be said. If the SE world goes on like this, it will not survive. They can have their inbreeding experiments and their definition of Arabian beauty. But they should not talk (force) breeders like you or Marbach into their goals. I was more than glad when you rejected Hafid Jamil as a sire to Nemad in another thread.

I wish you were breeding not just for your own needs. To all those who might feel offended by my statements: I won't critisize your horses anymore. The day you stop ciritsizing the 'old' Marbach or Serenity lines. Just leave them alone and time will tell. Don't destroy this kind of beautiful magical horse with your nose obsession.

Ich muss mal suchen, wie weit entfernt Du lebst, eines Tages werde ich mich auf Nemads Weide stehlen und sie bewundern ;-).
Dieter
Dennis

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You can't seperate the horses from their breeder and Hansi Heck obviously has made not so many friends in the States due to her constant personal attacks over the years.
If I may . . . Hansi's biggest problem is she states what she believes to be true to your face - not behind your back. Whereas, some friends would not dream of telling the truth to your face - this type of friend are much more like a malicious enemy, but so many prefer this type over the straightforward approach. So many LOVE to be LIED TO.

Katarin,

I agree with everything you've said - and you said it so very well! biggrin.gif

Kind Regards,

Liz Dieter
JEVA Farms
HLM
Good morning everybody

Well Liz, many people confuse honest criticizm with attacking.Its another one of those lies, I guess.

Hansi biggrin.gif
Serenity Arabian Farms
HLM
Dear Ray

You noticed the many people there at the Marbach presentation. I was their guest of honor about ten years ago and the 10,000 capacity outside arena was sold out with standing room only. I was told that this happens every time.

the reason is that Marbach presents their many breeds, and all in performance. You see haflingers, Warmbloods, Arabians, etc. and it is truly a wonderful show, everybody enjoys. At one time they do let their Arabian Mares with their foals into the arena, racing around, which is a mindboggling beautiful sight.

Therefore, people want to see what horses can do, and from jumping to dressage, driving etc.etc. is is spectacular.

At this time I also want to thank Mr Horst Koenig for his performance on those two beautiful stallions and hope to meet this Gentleman some day. It is so rewarding to know that Marbach is still keeping up with a 200year old tradition.

Hansi biggrin.gif
Serenity Arabian Farms
katarin
Dear Hansi,

you were honour guest in Marbach? Wow - this year it was Hans-Günther Winkler. I'm quite sure you know him. He is one of Germanys most famous horse riders. A legend and the audience wouldn't stop applauding.

After having read some discussions about the Arabian horse being able to compete with other horses, I decided to show some other pictures from Marbach. Unfortunately I don't have the horses names, but hopefully will be able to deliver them later.

And as to your frankness: please don't stop!

Best regards,
Katrin
katarin
Stallion Dressage. A Haflinger, a German warmblood and Dschehim on the outer circle. Three black forest coldblood doing hand-piaffe in the inner circle.
katarin
Warmbload foals with their mothers. The toughest job was getting them all out of the arena in the end.
katarin
Roman carriage race - the tiny ones really competed against the huge ones ;-)
katarin
Oli has already posted some beautiful photos of Marbachs silver herd. Here some more. My stepmother told me yesterday that she had tears in her eyes when she saw them. Amongst them at least two Serenity Habib daughters.
katarin
Marbach stages the silver herd in it's own way, delivering a completely different message than the now traditional Arabian horse show. When the mares walk in, they keep them very low profile. no show training, no coiffeur, removed hair or oil ;-)

Look at the audience.
HLM
Dear Katarin

thanks for these beautiful photos. I agree so much with you. But then Marbach is a "breeder of equine" functional,beautiful horses in every breed they maintain with highly qualified staff..
Many people can learn from this, when "fads" are not utilized and the true tradition of breeding excellent horses is maintained. It is obvious that this is what the majority of people like and love, regardless if they own or ride a horse or not.

thanks so much again
Hansi biggrin.gif
Serenity Arabian Farms
oli
@Katarin
Antwort auf Deutsch, sonst brauche ich Jahre und vermutlich kommt in Englisch bei mir nur Unsinn raus wink.gif Gehört ja auch nicht ganz zum eigentlichen Tehma...

Von Tübingen ist es nur eine knappe Stunde bis zu uns - ein Nemad-Besuch sollte also kein Problem darstellen. Ich freue mich immer, wenn diese "unpopulären" Linien noch Bewunderer finden.

Warum ich Dschehim für Nemad gewählt habe?
Bisher habe ich es so gemacht, dass ich mir überlegt habe, welche Punkte bei der Stute verbessert werden müssen. Bei Nemad bin ich dann schon an diesem Punkt gescheitert weil mir nichts eingefallen ist, was ich bei dem Fohlen anders oder besser haben wollte. Ich habe dann die ehemaliger Besitzerin nach ihrer Meinung gefragt Sie konnte leider auch nichts zu diesem Punkt beitragen . Die nächste Überlegung waren Blutlinien, die mir persönlich sehr zusagen. Dabei hatte ich aber das Problem, dass das meistens solche waren, die mit Nemad zu eng (ich bin Inzucht-Gegner) verwandt waren. Entweder viel Nazeer oder Gharib-Blut. Nabil Ibn Nazeefa hätte mir gefallen (Nemad hatte auch schon 2 gute Fohlen von seinem Sohn Zarif el Nabil), er stand jedoch aus Altersgründen nicht mehr zur Verfügung. Dazu kam, dass ich Nemad in ihrem doch schon fortgeschrittenen Alter keinen sehr langen Transport zumuten wollte.
Den Marbacher Nadhmi hatte ich kurz überlegt, aber aufgrund der ähnlichen Abstammung (seine Mutter Nasseb ist die Vollschwester im Blute zu Nemad) schnell wieder verworfen. Nurabid hat mir persönlich nie besonders zugesagt, er kam daher nicht in die Auswahl.
Die nächste Überlegung war, was ich eigentlich will: Ein Reitpferd, dass ich als Nachfolger für meinen Gharib Sohn Assam später einsetzen will. Also herausragende Grundgangarten verbunden mit einem soliden Fundament und überragenden inneren Eigenschaften. Damit schloss ich schon mal alle Hengste ohne Hengstleistungsprüfung aus.
Ich habe dann mal hier im Forum nach rein ägyptischen/asilen Hengsten aus Marbacher Zucht gefragt, leider kam nichts dabei heraus.
Dschehim hatte ich bei einer Hengstvorstellung in Marbach gesehen. Er wurde zwischen den Marbacher Warmblut- Dressurcracks vorgestellt und hat mit seinem gigantischen Trab allen die Show gestohlen. So kam ich auf den Gedanken Nemad mit Dschehim anzupaaren. Typmäßig passten sie zusammen, auch gab es Blutanschluss über Hadban Enzahi - aber nicht zu eng. Dschehim ist aus dem Stamm der ehemaligen Weltchampionesse Dschaddah, die ich immer sehr bewundert habe und geht über seinen Vater Pamir I auf Bairactar zurück. Die Gemälde von Bairactar verkörpern heute für mich noch den Idealtyp des Vollblutarabers - und Dschehim hat große Ähnlichkeit mit ihm. Ich bin kein Freund der kurzen, stark gedishten Köpfe - also hatte Dschehim mit seinem langen Kopf, mit breiter Stirn und schmaler Maulpartie aber kaum Dish gute Karten. Der Gedanke an "straight egyptian" wurde dann schnell von mir verworfen, denn ich wollte kein Zuchtpferd, sondern ein Reitpferd als Familienmitglied. Ein besserer Hengst als Dschehim fiel mir hierfür nicht ein.
Nemad wurde 2 mal gedeckt, hat beide Male aufgenommen, jedoch konnte sich die Frucht nicht einnisten. Danach war Dschehim im Showtraining und stand nicht mehr zur Verfügung. Ein Fohlen von Nemad wäre zwar schon noch mein Traum gewesen, aber das Dschehim-Fohlen aus ihrer Nichte Angel Heart hat mich dafür entschädigt. Die Anpaarung mit Angel und Dschehim wurde dann auch dieses Jahr wiederholt - das daraus entstehende Fohlen wird vermutlich meine Schwester behalten. Hätte ich eine Hengstauswahl für den Verkauf treffen müssen, wäre dieses Jahr in Marbach vermutlich Insh Allah die bessere Wahl gewesen. Der bessere Hengst ist (für mich) aber ohne Zweifel Dschehim........
Oli

Shakira Bint Dschehim (Dschehim x Angel Heart v. Nabya Ibn Gharib)
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