I am a long-time, mostly-lurker to this forum, and am wondering if some of you out there can help me.

We recently acquired our second horse, an aged broodmare named TUHOTMAH (*Tuhotmos x Dahma Din, *Fakher El Din). "Tut," as she was called by her prior owner, is a sweet and lovely mare, and I wanted her because I have always been a huge fan of *Tuhotmos, and thought she'd be a lovely companion for our first horse, Masada Ben Azi.

I have many beautiful photos of *Tuhotmos, but none of Tut's dam, Dahma Din, and none of her grand-dam, Masada Bellesabah. I would love to see pictures of them. Is there anyone out there who might have jpegs of these two mares that they wouldn't mind sharing?

Also, is there anyone who might have photos of Tuhotmah in her younger days? Or photos of any of her three progeny, or their offspring?

Thank you so much for your help!

-- Danelle Gatcombe

Hi Danelle:

I know the dark bay mare Tuhotmah. She was owned by my friend, Caryn Rogosky, who does post on this forum. I am sure that Caryn would be delighted to share photos of not only Tuhotmah but Dahmah Din, as well. Caryn had at one time, one of the largest collections of *Tuhotmos blood in the USA. She can share many stories of the fascinating qualities that are unique to *Tuhotmos-bred horses.

I like the mare Masada Bellesabah very much. I was nuts over her daughter by *Ibn Hafiza and when I think of this mare and the missed opportunity to have a mare of this quality...boy, oh boy.

One of my favorite mares in the world is Masada Bellesabah's daughter by *Fahker El Din: Akira Zarif. Bred to Halim El Mansour, she produced a gorgeous bay stallion, who is still owned by Caryn but currently standing wit Marilyn Lang in Texas.

Thanks for giving me a few minutes to think about these beautiful horses. And congratulations for Tuhotmah. She is a sweet old girl and she made me laugh so hard, when Caryn turned her out for me to see her run around and she had that big giant belly. How is she doing? Give her a giant hug for me.

The picture down below is of Akira.

Dear Ralph,

Thank you so much for sharing your memories, and some words about Tut's immediate family ... the lovely mare whose photo you posted would be Tut's full-blooded maternal aunt, yes?

I have been in touch with Caryn, and she has told me she's going to try and find some old photos of Tut ... I can't wait to see what she was like in her youth!

I have only known her two weeks and a day, but already I can see that she is a very willing and intelligent mare. I'd been told that she was never started under saddle or taught to go on the longe line, but we put her on the longe line today and she knew exactly what was expected of her. She is a "busy" personality, and doesn't like to stand still, so we're working on teaching her that standing still is part of good manners -- and head-butting is not <g>.

She has some loose teeth and thus, some trouble eating, but we're accomodating her special needs. She needs to put on some weight and muscle, and is quite stiff in her back legs, especially her right rear hock, but I'm hoping that a slow, steady, building diet of exercise (hand-walking) will loosen her up. She is still beautiful, even in old age: what a gorgeous layback of shoulder, and elegant long neck, and her head appears to be the feminine version of her sire's. Her eyes are so huge and beautiful that I could get lost in them. She is of a much finer, petite bone than I'm used to, but is very easily handled, which I appreciate.

I found it very impressive when, last week, my little daughter and I hand-walked her away from the barn, up a long, steep hill, and brought her out into the wooded trails surrounding the local reservoir. It is beautiful out there this time of year, with autumn leaves falling everywhere, and a great, soothing stillness. I expected Tut to come unglued, as I really rather doubted that, given her career as a broodmare, she'd ever been out in the woods like that, where there was nothing but trees and trails for miles, but if anything, she LOVED it ... she walked happily beside me like a great big dog, head high, eyes curious but not afraid, happy, happy, happy. She was not at all spooky or nervous, and several times I stopped and let her look around. She had great fun dropping her muzzle, and "sweeping" the colorful leaves back and forth while snuffling them, and then pawing them. It made my heart glad to see her enjoying such a simple, yet essential pleasure.

The only time she had a "problem" out there and spooked was when we were leaving the trails. A person appeared out of "nowhere," flying up behind us on a bicycle wiht a loose dog in tow, which, of course, came straight at us. Tut spooked -- who wouldn't -- but never became uncontrollable. Luckily the guy called the dog and it never reached us.

I'm hopeful, very hopeful, that with some slow and steady conditioning, and perhaps supplements in her food, her stiffness will ease and she'll be a nice little light riding horse for our daughter, who is now seven. Given her joy at being out on those woods last week, she seems to have the perfect temperament for such a pursuit.

I don't know if links are allowed here, but if they are, I can certainly post one so that you can see a short video clip of herr, Ralph (and anyone else who might be interested).

-- Danelle

@Danelle

Her is another picture of Akira Zarifa and one of her full brother Khalif El Din.

Hope this helps!

Nasser

I have found that...

one of Tuhotmah herself and of her son WK Sovereign son...

Dahmah Din(thanks to the SOFI catalog!)
and also her daughter Lara Halima CH, photo Jennifer Ligon(owner)

Danelle,

I am sure you can post links to the videos of Tuhotmah.

KatieD
(fellow model-horse painter!)

The 1994 Sheyky Obeyed Foundation Catalog of bloodlines includes a picture of Tuhotmah and her colt Moniet El Nadir. I was devastated to learn Nadir died under tragic circumstances before siring any foals. The 1995 Spring-Summer issue of "Foundations" (SOF magazine) includes the same picture in a WindKist Manor ad, as does the Summer 1994 issue. The 1994 issue also includes a write up about the birth of Moniet El Nadir.

I am so pleased to hear she has a good home! Hope she continues to adjust to and enjoy her new surroundings!!

Danelle,

I just want to share some of my memories of
Masada Bellesabah. I saw her down at
Desert Arabian Bloodstock in CO when Rasmoniet
was there (1984 or 85?)
She was in my opinion, one of the top
horses on the place: a classic fleabitten
gray with extraordinary type and presence
even in the company of some of the top
Egyptian show horses of the day. She
made me gasp looking in her eyes!

When I was in Utah a decade later looking
at a yearling colt, I was invited to take
a day-long ride into the foothils. My
kind and most-wonderful-host mount was
the bay mare Bellesaana (Rasmoniet X Masada Bellesabah).
She was an absolute delight under saddle
and even when we crossed 4 lanes of heavy
Salt Lake City suburb traffic I never doubted
her. She carried me over some beautiful but
difficult landscapes both hillside and urban. She
is what I call an "all-terrain assault vehicle supreme!"

Good stuff these mares!

Jill

Oh, thank you, thank you, thank you -- all of you!!! -- so very much for hunting up those photos of some of Tut's family (as well as herself!) and sharing them, along with your memories of her, and her granddam, with me. I am so grateful that I can't even find the right words. It is such fun, and so exciting, to learn more about her family ... and oh-my-goodness, it was wonderful to see the photos of WK Sovereign Son! Was he the fellow sired by Halim El Mansour?

I had heard that Tut has two living grandsons ... Does anyone know anything about them, i.e., who owns them, and if there are any photos anywhere of them?

Again, thank you all so very much for sharing your thoughts and photos with me!

-- Danelle

Hi Danelle,

Quite surprised to see a thread titled "Tuhotmah" when I logged in today. As a youngster, I had
the pleasure to take lessons out at Windkist Manor, the farm owned by the previously mentioned
Caryn Rogosky. My memory is still kind of blurry - this was about ten or more years ago, but I
definitely remember your TUHOTMAH, and her sons WK Moniet El Nadir and WK Sovereign Son.
Nadir was (I believe) triple *Tuhotmos, being sired by El Mon Moniet - a *Tuhotmos son out of a
*Tuhotmos daughter. Gorgeous, gorgeous individual, he was always one of my favorites at the
farm. Sad to hear he passed (does anyone have anymore information on this? I remember Caryn
was wondering about his whereabouts). I remember seeing him Under Saddle at one point as well.

Sovereign Son is indeed the Halim El Mansour son, dark bay and again, lovely. I may have a
few photos back at home of him and Nadir, I'd have to look. If I'm not mistaken, Tuhotmah had
a filly while at Windkist who unfortunately passed away as a youngster. Not sure who she was
sired by.

It's nice to reminisce about my "Arabian" days. I'll let you know if I can find any pictures of the
two sons I mentioned. Hope you get to enjoy this lovely mare for awhile!

- Quinnten

Hello Danielle,
I found this topic just now...my colt is from Tuhotmos..Tuhotmos x Ser Sabar gave Akid bint Anazeh..All i can do is send you some pictures of Tuhotmos..if that will give you some help...

Hello Danelle,

Thank you for coming out of the background to tell us about Tuhotmah. I think the forum recently heard about another old-timer, Shah El Sun. I have a few oldies myself.

What I find very encouraging is to hear from folks who now own some of the greats - it's like a super blast-from-the-past!! Far too many of the older horses are not as lucky.

Though I never knew this mare, I feel grateful that she has a wonderful home and getting the respect she deserves.

If there is anyone else out there with a similar story, please sign up and let us know!

Thank You!
Ray

Karin: Thank you so, so much for the photos of *Tuhotmos ... was there ever a photo taken of him that wasn't breathtaking? What a glorious animal he was... I only wish I could have met him in person.

Ray: Thank you for the words of support -- I had plenty of doubts when deciding whether to take Tuhotmah, not least of which whether she'd ever be sound enough to ride. She is a very petite little thing, measuring only 14h at the withers and possessing rather fine bone ... maybe I'm just used to my gelding, who's much more substantial, with much bigger feet! But I've been slowly working on getting Tuhotmah strong ... she is now up to four times around on the longe line at the trot in one direction, and two in the other, as she's very stiff going counter-clockwise. I hope that exercise and slow, gentle conditioning will help her.

To the best of my knowledge, she has never been ridden, but last week I put a bareback pad on her and led her around with it, and aside from the first five steps -- during which she laid her ears back and was a little uncertain -- she accepted it in stride. Two days ago, I put my daughter's small jumping saddle on her, along with a "real" girth, and she didn't bat an eyelash. I longed her under this tack, and she was like an old pro... And, she looked adorable, all saddled up! I think she's going to be very easy to get started under saddle, as she has a very smart and willing mind, an incredibly trusting nature, and seems to do anything I ask of her with no fuss and no carrying on.

She has stiffness in a rear hock (vet x-rays didn't show any arthritis) so I'm not sure how much riding we'll be able to do with her, but my daughter's only 50 pounds, and if, at some point, Tut can do some light walk/trot under saddle on an hour's trail ride, we'll both be delighted. Until then, she just takes my breath away every time I look at, and spend time with her ... she is already becoming a fast friend.

-- Danelle

Hi Danelle,
I have been reading about you and Tut.
For her stiffness.............put her on 1 cup of ground flaxseed, 1 a day for 1 week. Then on the second week, 1 cup of ground flaxseed, 2 times a day. She should start to lose her stiffness and any small signs of arthritis will start to go away. Plus, she will glow.
Cheryl

Hi Cheryl.

What is flaxseed please?

Thank you,

Karin

I have a 31 year old Fadjur daughter that has been on joint-hoof combo (a pelleted additive) for some time and see a difference. She is out front in my big arena so she gets a lot of free walking and she is barefoot, and in excellent weight and condition for her age. Very little arthritis and joint problems. She gets alfalfa, some Equine Senior, some Manna Pro Senior, and this joint/hoof combo. No adverse reactions, and she has been colic free for a long time. She has been shown for several years at the Las Vegas Farm Festival for 1,000s of kids and adults to see and pet and take pictures of, and last year was featured in hand at the Horses for Heroes (in halter in the big arena at the show grounds, and she had not been there since she was 3). She looks great for 31. Bay and awesome like your mare. An older mare like this that is usually an easy keeper, but needs a little help, is a candidate for founder/laminitis, so take care. She is wonderful.

Hi Karin,
The other name for Flaxseed is Linseed. Here is a link that will explain more about the flaxseed.

http://horsecare.stablemade.com/articles2/flax.htm

Dear Danelle,

You really are one of the luckiest girl ever!
I had the honor to meet Tuhotmah while she was at Caryn Rogosky's place. She is just drop dead gorgeous. I can still remember seeing her for the first time. My heart bumped so hard! Well, this was the case for many of Cayn's horses. But Tuhotmah...She was soooo Tuhotmos. Such a beautiful lady! Such an exotic head like her dad. She did fly like an angel though her paddock together with Mafaada while I was taking photos of both. Here are the two photos of her I took. Please excuse the poor quality of these photos.
When I met her for the first time she was already an older lady then. Or shall I better say a Queen. She should really be in her oldie years no, isn't she? Do you have any plans for her already? She would truely deserve to try a replacement for her within SE and SO lines. Both of her sons, WK Moniet El Nadir and WK Sovereign Son have passed away several years ago. I know Sovereign did have a colt before passing away. The Starrs of Wind Drinker Arabians owned him, you may inquire from them for more informations. Nadir was definitly one of my favorite stallions at Caryn's (together with Fabo's Finale and Halim El Shakiir). He was a very bold stallion, looked like he was a hughe horse when playing in front of mares and other stallions. He was very refined, very reminescent of Fakher El Din wiht the same blaze. He was such a beautiful horse. Like others, I was devastated to hear his death a few years ago. Sovereign was very different. He was smaller and beautiful blend of Halim El Mansour's and Tuhotmah's looks, yet very reminescent of the great Tuhotmos. My poor photos, Clothilde posted earlier do not do him justice. His head was very chisled with fine black skin. He was a very nice stallion, very quiet and well mannered. He had a very nice action. The king of way of going that Endurance riders like so much (In France, the Tuhotmos line is very highly considered for this purpose. It was used through his son Fawzan and now his descent). Here is what my memory reminds me of this wonderful family. It is such a shame that Tuhotmah's descent is so scarce. Please tell her a friendly hello from me and keep in touch!

Amélie Blackwell
Inchallah Arabians
France

Hi everyone,

I have greatly enjoyed re-reading this thread and delighting in the memories so many of you have shared with me about Tuhotmah, and her family. Thank you again, so very much.

Tut continues to thrive -- when she first came to us, she was very stiff and our vet traced it to a muscle knot in her hamstring, which was impeding her forward movement of her right hind leg. Since getting daily turnout with our gelding, Masada Ben Azi, she has lost a lot of that stiffness and gained considerable strength: In fact, today was one of those chilly, overcast, but undeniably spring-in-New-England days, and both horses were "feeling their oats." Ben Azi started cantering pretty fast around the paddock, round and round, and then Tut joined him. Even two months ago, she would not have been able to do that, but today ... it took my breath away to watch her. She has an incredible suspended trot, and she literally *floats*. I just adore her so very, very much.

On Monday, she returns to our trainer to begin her training under saddle. We will not ask much of her -- if she can carry our young daughter at a walk/trot around the ring a few times, and go on an easy, short little trail ride here and there, we'll be happy. But even if she doesn't prove sound or strong enough to be a riding horse, I'll still love, and treasure her, anyhow. She is the most affectionate horse I have ever known.

I don't really know if she can be have any more foals ... she came to us as a retiree, and was classified in October 2006 as a Category II-B with only a 10-50% chance of carrying a foal to term (the biopsy was done after she had a "miscarriage" during her last pregnancy). However, she seems to come into heat quite frequently (and will NOT leave our poor gelding alone) and I was concerned about her health, and so had a reproductive exam done on her this week (with a uterine biopsy forthcoming). The vet found everything to be quite normal, said she is cycling regularly, and is optimistic that her uterine biopsy will yield far more favorable results than the one taken after she lost her last foal.

So, who knows... I did not take her with the intention of breeding her, but she has totally captured my heart with her personality and her beauty and I guess I have to admit that yes ... it would be rather nice to have a foal from her. Time -- and the upcoming uterine biopsy -- will tell.

Meanwhile, here is a short videoclip of her taken last week; again, thank you, everyone, for sharing your memories of this much-loved addition to our family.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jwfIJ2wFdk

-- Danelle

Amélie,

Thanks for the pictures of Tuthotmah, what a girl.. just look at those ears, eyes and muzzle with incredible nostrils.

Danelle,
She is looking great.
I was at the farm with Pam and Deb when we first saw her.
I am so happy if you get her turned around. It is amazing what a happy well taken care of horse can do. I hope you can get a foal out of her.

She so deserves to be adored, no matter what.

Georgia

Hi Danelle

So pleased to hear things are coming good for Tuhotmah at last - I'll keep my fingers crossed for you if you ever do decide to try to breed from her.

Keren

My stallion is not by Tuhotmos but has him in the 4th generation on his damline. He has huge tear bones, which having looked at the photos of Tuhotmos must come from him, please correct me if I am wrong. His breeder says he is very like Tuhotmos. I only have a few photos of him on this computer, but just love him to bits so will post them.

He's gorgeous ... I can see why you love him so much!

I hear you about the tear bones .. here is a photo of Tuhotmah, taken a week ago, which shows the prominence of hers, too ... I just love running my hand over her face and cheekbones and feeling such dryness and definition. She is not real dishy, but gosh, the bone structrure, veining, and beauty just beneath the fine skin just take my breath away.

She goes back to the trainer's tomorrow to begin her schooling-under-saddle. Poor Ben Azi is going to be absolutely inconsolable...

-- Danelle

I dont think they have to be dishy. There is just something about a sE that is different and it just takes them to open up their nostrils and there's a beautiful dish, but in a different way. I have an very old mare by The Egyptian Prince and her head looks straight, but when she flares those nostrils ....there is one real exotic head.

Your mare looks beautiful Danelle and thank you for the compliments on Ahanu.

Cate

It is with an incredibly heavy, and hurting heart, that I am sharing the sad news that we sent our beloved Tuhotmah to the Rainbow Bridge yesterday evening.

My heart is broken. She was a treasure, and her incredible beauty filled me with joy whether she was doing the "air dance" in her paddock, or standing around sleeping in the sun. Her 3 1/2 years with us were wonderful ones, and during that time she learned to be a riding horse ... she went on some trail rides ... she got to go swimming in the mighty Merrimack River ... she made friends wherever she went, she was the darling of the neighborhood children, she would stand for hours while they brushed her and braided her "hair," and she was kind and loving and gentle every moment of her life. Susan Mayo told me my life would be enriched for having had her in it, and truer words were never spoken.

Tut developed a rare (in horses) aural hematoma this past winter (after suffering an earlier one the year before), but the ear never healed properly despite surgery and drainage, and due to the immense amount of scar tissue in the pinna, her inner ear became maddeningly itchy. I had been dreading the onset of the heat and humidity, fearing that both would bring her even more discomfort, and three weeks ago, she injured one of her big, beautiful deer-eyes, presumably by trying to relieve the itchiness in her ear. The vet came out several times, but it became increasingly difficult to medicate her, and began to feel like torture. The eye clouded over and began to tear, and I finally made the extremely painful and difficult decision to send her on to heaven.

She is buried on our family homestead under a trio of ancient pines that whisper when the wind moves through them, in a peaceful spot that also contains the graves of my childhood dogs and a kittie or two. She faces west, overlooking the paddock and the river valley beyond. She took a piece of my heart with her last night, and I have not been able to stop crying, since. I know that I will never own a mare as beautiful, as kind, as gentle, and as royally bred as she was.

The Arabian horse world is a sadder place without her in it ... and so is our home. I miss you dear Tuttie, dear "Mama," my beloved and sweet friend. It was an honor and a joy to have you in our lives.

With love and tears,

-- Danelle

I am so sorry to hear of the passing of your beloved Tuhotmah. She was loved by everyone who knew her including myself. She was an extremely special mare from a very special family, that I have admired going back to her distant ancestors on the female side which my wife and I have personally known. Lothar was one of our favorite stallions who we used as a sire and we loved Masada Bellesabbah from the time she was born when we took photos of her as a baby. Her mother Belle Echo was an exquisite little mare whose sire, Bel Gordas was the image of Napoleon's horse Marengo from the 19th century art. Only in person could one see how special he was. He looked as if he stepped from a 19th century engraving and he walked long and free with a confident sway that told you he was a one of a kind. Belle Echo's mother Faarecho was my wife's all time favorite mare, a true mare of the desert with skin so fine as the wings on a white butterfly, and her perfect legs appeared as though carved from ivory. Even Faarecho's mother Faara was the most beautiful of all Faddan daughters we saw. Tuhotmos of course was also a picture of the classic Arabian and so full of charisma, as was the charm of his half brother Fakher El Din. All of these horses in Tuhotmah's pedigree were very fine Arabians and it truly must have seemed a gift to you to be able to enjoy her last years as your companion. It is the Arabian experience that we all search for. We send our condolences.

Danelle,

I am so very sorry you have lost your beautiful Tuhotmah. My heart goes out to you at the loss of this very special mare.

I am so truly saddened to hear of the loss of your beloved Tuhotmah. She was much loved - just look at that expression!

She will live forever in your heart.

I am so sorry for your loss!

Tuhotmah was quite something.

Karin

I am So sorry to hear that Tuhotmah has passed. Her brother Klassic El Sareei, sired by *Tuhotmos and out of a different *Fakher El Din daughter, is going to be 25 this year. It is very hard to see them get older and pass on. Here is a picture of him from a month or so ago, defently see the family resemb. Prayers to you and your family.