Please answer this pool,

I'd like to know how many people still needs infos about the Sheykh Obeyd Arabians...we may plan a meeting for you !

Thanks !

Amélie Blackwell
Inchallah Arabians
France

Considering the very NEGATIVE and TIRING arguments between Heirloom and Sheykh Obeyd, we have heard enough!!!!!!! We aren't going forward anymore, constantly revisiting the past to know who was esteemed and who was not, by long ago dead people. It's really boring.

I think maybe your timing isn't so good for this poll? I agree that the long and negative past threads became boring, but I don't think it was an argument between Heirloom and Sheykh Obeyd, it was Heirloom against all other Arabians. Some people have trouble separating the wheat from the chaff. Inchallah, I think it would be better for you to remove the poll for now, and let people have time to get the bad taste out of their mouths. JMHO.

I agree. I never saw Heirloom against all other Arabians.

The timing isn't good and I know in which way this thread is going to be again. And again. And again. It's really boring. Let the dead horses rest in peace. We should make a poll instead about which words we will not want read again in 2004.
My favorites are this:

EXOCHORDA (pleeeeeeeeease, give us a rest)
SHEYKH OBEYD (poor Lady Blunt, she would never ever have expected what is done with this name in our time)
HEIRLOOM ARABIANS (ts ts ts...)
FLYING MACHINE (every horse that has four legs is described as a "fyling machine")

kudos! <_<

Please add SHARKASI

Ooops,

I feel like some people do not really understand the question... It's not : "Are you bored with SO ? "

Please be nice and answer true to your knowledge, not your feelings !

Remember we are talking about our beloved Arabian horses and their history, not about people's quarrels...

Hello Inchallah!

I am with you in this poll, goog job for the SO horses as usual...

Have a nice day.

Go to see at avalon forum for the same question.

You can't devide yourself into two pieces; your feelings and your knowledge always go together. Some people who had posted about SO were very destructive in the last time, some threads had to be closed others were deleted completely. It all came down to the old question: "Which horses are the purest of them all".

My understanding is that when any group claims that they have the only pure Arabians left in the world as Heirloom does (800 horses?) that means that is exactly the same as claiming that the balance are impure Arabians. That is meant for ALL non Heirloom horses, not only a few Sheykh Obeyd non Heirloom horses. Sheykh Obeyd is the only organization who took an official position against these ideas, does that make them argumentative? Not in my opinion. I think Al Khamsa, the Pyramid Society should representatives should make the same kind of statement. The purity issue is now taken to the complete extreme and the foundation horses of the breed are being whittled away one by one. All these horses who are the foundations of the whole Arabian population should be defended IMHO.

What are the plans for the meeting?
Where, how long, what to see?

Best wishes,
Brigitte

Yes, that's true and really there were only a few quarelsome people making too much noise and annoying everyone. That jusst makes everyone feel like it was more. I don't see any difference in SO and CMK as far as ideas go. Aren't they both just involved with trying to preserve groups of bloodlines with a joint history together?

Meeting? Where would it be held? What would be the purpose?

Yes, we're planning a friendly meeting for Arabian enthusiasts (not for purist) !

I'll be delighted to see all kinds of Arabian lovers, not only SO or SE breeders. It'll be really friendly and anybody should feel free to come and present his own horses.
It'll be held up in Belgium at Infinity Arabians (thanks for their support to SOFI and kind offer for this first European meeting). It should be planned soon (very likely during this Summer).

We'll talk about many things :
- SOFI : introduction, history, goals
- Different origins of the Arabian horse : from Russian to Egyptian
- Labels within the Arabian horse industry : from the global population to Sheykh Obeyd
- Strains within the Arabian bred : from Kuhaylan to Hadban
- Sheykh Obeyd horses : what they are and the foundation breeders history
- Sub-groups within Sheykh Obeyd : from Babson to Ansata

You'll see horses from Sheykh Obeyd bloodlines and others, everybody is welcome to take part !

You can contact me privately for more infos or look up on the SOFI website !

Have a nice day

Amélie

Amelie,
I like that you stated "not for purists"! This is the problem that I think exists for your SO organization. Many people have got the idea that it is a purist organization, probably because of the Heirloom arguments. Maybe SO has to make the difference between SO and the purist Heirloom group more clear and much stronger for people to really understand. I would like to attend your meeting, it sounds like fun.

Maybe you are talking about comparing Asil to non Asil. Not everyone agrees but many breeders agrees that Asil Arabians are the most likely to be the purest of all Arabians. In the way of Asil or not Asil, many think there is such a thing as purer or purest even if we can never prove absolutely purity.

I have a question for you.

If you have a registered Arabian that has a documented non-Arabian in his/her pedigree, would you agree that this horse could not be Pure Asil?

Now, what about a horse that does not have a documented non-Arabian in his/her pedigree, would you agree that this horse might be Pure Asil?

This is the only form of purity we have, documented or not documented, there is nothing else.

Your thoughts?

I agree. The only way we have of knowing a horses is not Asil is if there is some kind of document that says it is not Asil. Otherewise, if it traces in all lines to horses who we know came out of the desert, they would be assumed to be Asil. I don't see this as purism.

Bravo!!! Well said. The question of purity is as simple as the above statement. I can attest to the fact that SOFI does not advocate, encourage nor allow any member to state that the SO horses are more pure than any other purebred. Once a horse traces in any line to the desert, it is no mans land. That goes for all Arabian horses, not only SO's. SOFI is simply a goup of people working together to keep certain lines from becoming extinct. Unfortunately, many lines have already been lost. We shall never know what they would have contributed to the Arabian breed as a whole. In order to recognize those horses and lines, it was necessary to give them a label. I did not come up with the label but it certainly helps me with many aspects of research and study. It is not a marketing ploy, as many on this forum would have you believe. If anything, I think calling your horses SO causes a negative effect on marketing. There have been times when I hesitated to use the term on my horses for fear that people would not be able to look at the horse or horses in a positive manner. Like having a Scarlett Letter branded on your horses head. I am now way past that worry but wish everyone would give those who wish to preserve certain lines a little more understanding.

Marilyn Lang

Hey I have to say that my belief is that people like to have a direction
and thus like to follow a group with goals.

I think if breeders accept other peoples desires to achieve what ever
their ideas is of a good horse a pure horse it would be better for all of us.

I think what is sorely missing in this forum
is a respect for others who do not think like you
it's actually embarrassing for the breed.

I have seen horses that are not good quality in many different breeding programs.

However I also try to keep my eyes open for horses even though I would never
breed to them or own them I think its a good perspective to see what people who
are not SE breeders are doing and how sometimes the result of very different breeding
are a very similar quality.

I also I agree that my non SE mare is just as purebred as any heirloom or any other sub strain.

I do however respect people who want to preserve sub strains
even if it's for tax reasons as much as the love of a
breed or because they can access funding in a different way
to keep the horses.


Or just people who have rescues,
but I can not stand people who really seem to think they are better.
Or believe their intentions are the purest because they rescue rescue horses
as opposed to breeding show horses.

I think it's a great initiative to have a meeting for people who want to attend and
the forum should be a good place to reach people.