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Kimberli Nelson
I am going to be shipping two young mares to Europe and I am concerned about their trip. A friend of mine has sent two, a young mare and stallion. When they left her farm they were in terrific condition. After spending 30 something days in quarantine then the flight, they arrived at their destination in absolutely horrible condition. They were very thin, back bones sticking out along with the hip bones. The mare looked like her front legs are coming out of the same hole in her chest. They both were so skinny and horrible looking it was scary.

My question for all of you that have sent or received horses from the USA is what condition did you receive them in? Is it natural that this trip would be so hard on them that they would lose 100 pounds and condition? I can post a before and after photo of the mare if you need to see it but believe me when I say I would have been horrified had I bought a good horse and have it arrive in starving condition.

Please tell me your stories.

Kimberli
sarihakhan
Hi Kimberly,
We bought our colt from the US and had him shipped to Australia. The company that did it looked after him well. They emailed us a photo taken of him the day he arrived at the quarantine station. Then when we picked him up from the quarantine station in Melbourne he was in good condition.

I am sorry to hear about your horses. I have heard some horror stories of horses getting very sick and of lasting effects even after they arrive at their destination. Before we imported Akid we had no idea of any of it. Akid arrived and settled in pretty quick. It was like he'd come from another Australian state rather than half way across the world.

Regards,
Maria Daraio
Dara Park
Liz Salmon
Kimberli, that is not normal and would have happened in the quarantine centre. It is normal for them to tuck up and lose a little weight on the journey, but not in quarantine. I have used several excellent quarantine centres and the horses have arrived in good shape. Everyone needs to get references for quarantine centres before sending horses to one.
Clothilde
My 4 horses were in excellent condition at arrival, they were at Nedpoint in OK.
they also took a rest in Amsterdam when they arrive and went in France the second day.
Liz Salmon
Nedpoint is an excellent facility. I've been there to see it for myself.
Arabian Stud Europe
My mare was 6 months pregnant and arrived in a perfect condition from the states! Not loose weight at all and after a few days it was like she had been here all her life!
I think it also depends on the horse's nature and to the fact is which condition they are put on the flight in the first place.

Regards,
Talitha
laurence of arabians
The first stallion I imported from the US was in really great shape.
The second stallion imported from the US and same quarantine was even too fat !(but the previous owner smartly recommended he bought his food prior and that it travelled with him).

To be on the safe side, for the next imports, we will do the same: purchase and deliver their usual food to the quarantine.

The mare I received from the same quarantine was in poor condition but from seeing the 3 individuals now, it may also be a much more sensitive indivudual. I could see the horses at the airport who shared the same quarantine, and they were anything but miserable.

I agree with Clo that a night's rest after landing at the airport equine facility is a very good option. First of all, the horse is not separated right after the flight from his quarantine companions, and it also helps them rest their legs before the road trip.

The psychological aspect of it as I see it is really key for the physiological.
Some are more sensitive than others...

Therefore I am tempted to forecast my next imports as pairs. The horses can get to leave their home with a known companion and spend the quarantine with her and go through this experience probably with less stress...Which means also getting these horses to be together a long time before they travel at the breeder's side.
laurence of arabians
QUOTE (Arabian Stud Europe @ Jan 10 2009, 09:19 AM)
My mare was 6 months pregnant and arrived in a perfect condition from the states! Not loose weight at all and after a few days it was like she had been here all her life!
I think it also depends on the horse's nature and to the fact is which condition they are put on the flight in the first place.

Regards,
Talitha
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I agree with you about the flight conditions. How they are embarqued...it is a scary small and dark box... One more reason I tend to agree is that this particular mare really had a hard time getting into the van (whereas at her breeder (and a week later as well) she did embark very well. She sweated so much she was dripping ... ohmy.gif

AlsoI have been reading that having theri heads up like this during the flight can really cause respiratory problems.

Anyone shipped by boat and was happy about it???
Pashon2001
I have shipped 5 from the US to the UK. All bar one arrived in excellent condition. The one that didnt was a poor loader/traveller and I was expecting her to lose condition as she dropped seriously on her cross country trip to the breeding station so a flight was sure to stress her more. The shipper I used keeps in constant contact and tells me of any problems.
PS by the way one of the 5 was a fairly unhandled 6 month old recently weaned foal and she arrived in excellent condition!
Kimberli Nelson
Thanks Everyone. I am worried about this. I hate to send two darlings to a facility where they are not taken care of or ever get out of a small stall for 30 days. These two have never been kept in a stall, they have been outside their whole lives and they would not understand it. They are used to love and freedom, are well fed and cared for. If they arrive at their destination in poor condition I am likely to come unglued.

There are several quarantine facilities out there, some are cheaper than others but does the are of the horses suffer because of price? Would it be possible for those who have had shipments that arrived in great condition to give us the contact information for the facility who gave such great care?

Thank you again, it is good to know that skinny is not the norm.
SKM
It would be sensible and a kindness to get your 2 horses used to being stabled before they go into quarantine so it's not too much of a shock to their system. Just start with a short period per day and extend it.
Liz Salmon
Kimberli, if you email me liz@lizsalmon.com I will give you some contacts of shippers I have used. However, it's the buyer who will make the decision on the shipper, but you can recommend ones with good references. Horses generally fly out of LA, New York, Atlanta and Houston. I am using a great facility here in Texas who are reasonably priced and they are a couple of hours from Houston. They do everything including collecting the horse from the farm. I see you are in Arizona. Nedpoint in Oklahoma also flies out of Houston and I've used a very good one in Atlanta too.
Charlei
Hi

Have you thought about quaratining (sp) them yourself. The breeders of my filly who live in the States (Georgia) and shipped to North Wales did this for us and it worked really well.

Michaela
Kimberli Nelson
QUOTE (Charlei @ Jan 11 2009, 09:29 PM)
Hi

Have you thought about quaratining (sp) them yourself.  The breeders of my filly who live in the States (Georgia) and shipped to North Wales did this for us and it worked really well. 

Michaela
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What a wonderful idea.... How does one go about this?
Liz Salmon
Yes of course it can be done, but it has to be done under the rules of the USDA who has to inspect the premises.
anitae
Kimberli,
I sent a young mare (4 years) and young stud (3 years) to Germany, via quarantine in LA.
No problems. Both had been pasture-only horses their whole lives. I put them in stalls at night for a few nights before shipping them off to quarantine. They did well and arrived in good shape.

The shipper arranged the quarantine and stood behind the reputation of the quarantine facility.

Anita
Charlei
Hi Kimberlie

If you would like me to pass on the details from whom i bought my filly, i am sure after getting their permission, they would explain how it works. It really worked well for us both and my filly, who arrived with no problems and in excellent condition.

I suppose it just depends on your set up really, hope things go well for your horses. You would be surprised at how well they travel and those flying grooms are excellent.

Michaela
laurence of arabians
QUOTE (Clothilde @ Jan 9 2009, 10:53 PM)
My 4 horses were in excellent condition at arrival, they were at Nedpoint in OK.
they also took a rest in Amsterdam when they arrive and went in France the second day.
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and the two recently imported horses you sold to Catherine went throught teh same quarantine I am using and were absolutely fine...
She told me she is shipping her pregnant mare through them too...
laurence of arabians
QUOTE (Charlei @ Jan 12 2009, 08:56 AM)
Hi Kimberlie

If you would like me to pass on the details from whom i bought my filly, i am sure after getting their permission, they would explain how it works.  It really worked well for us both and my filly, who arrived with no problems and in excellent condition.

I suppose it just depends on your set up really, hope things go well for your horses.  You would be surprised at how well they travel and those flying grooms are excellent.

Michaela
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I would love to get that thread too!
Thansk, Laurence
Liz Salmon
That particular filly flew out of Atlanta directly to the UK after she had finished quarantine. It was clients of mine that did the quarantine. They have a small farm which I believe they are now selling as well as their last few horses, because of retirement. I think that the premises first of all have to be inspected by USDA, and the horse has to be kept 30 yards from any other horses and then get certain blood work done. I think that the inspectors are likely to turn up at any time during the 30 days. The shipping company did the rest of the paper work and I think she was with them for a couple of days before being shipped.

The other 2 horses that went to Michaela did their quarantine in a centre recommended by the shippers in Atlanta. One was a stallion which the clients could not take for quarantine.
HLM
Yes Liz, that's correct. Anybody can have their horses quar5antined on their premises, provided the premises meet the USDA requirements.

We are a private quarantine- USDA Florida- and always quarantien and ship our horses from here, flying with them. The advantage is that they have their stall and a large run-out, therefore do not have to stand in a stall for all that time. that makes a tremendous difference, mentally and physically.

Thgese facilities you speak of in Texas are excellent according to various
reports I have. But so are some in Miami- for the 30 day quarantine-. Prices differ from place to place. When some pay $ 20,00 for a bale of hay versa $ 8.00
it does make a difference. Also on other things.

the higest rates are those for those hours before shipping. The can be anywhere between $ 125.- to $ 270.00 per horse for a 24hour time as we have experienced..

Of course then one needs to consider the transport from seller to quarantine,airport,etc. and that again can differ substantially.

It is wise to inspect the quarantines, if possible or get a report from those who used them.

If anybody needs assistance, please contact me under 351-481-4254 and I help all I can.There is no charge for this.

Hansi biggrin.gif
Serenity Arabian Farms
sidjesidi
Hello Kimberli,

I realize I wrote to your private e-mail regarding shipping horses, but maybe I should write a quick note regarding this to the public.

We have shipped horses overseas over the last 30 years, but the most recent shipping was between 2003 and 2007. This was both coming and going with horses. I would NEVER ship a horse without being with them the entire time - though it is nearly impossible to be with them 100% of the time, we INSISTED on being by their side during the flight, during the road travel, and while in quarantine. Believe me, this is not easy, but we checked prices and told them we could not leave them, so some places were able to work with us. Even when in quarantine in Madrid, Spain, we were able to be with our four horses, and work them while they were in quarantine. Though the quarantine ranch did not like us there, we had to go track down grain and feed, which we drove over two hours to find every few days, and also cleaned our horses stalls ourselves. We did not care how much sleep we lost during this important time of our horses lives, as they are family to us! And believe me, there were a couple of horses that were in quarantine who I know would have never lived if we hadn't helped them during their stressful time......

I wish you happiness and luck in your adventure with the horses flying overseas. But please, make sure someone who the horse can trust and knows be by their side as much as possible during this time of their life. Also, water is so important while flying, and in the road travels and in quarantine spots, so make sure they are offered this quite often during their travels.

Terry Polk
www.losacres.com
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