Anne-Louise
Feb 19 2004, 05:19 AM
Just wanted to post a quick invitation to those of you who will be in the Maryland area this weekend - Region XV is holding the winter Pyramid Society meeting at Imperial Egyptian Stud this Saturday (Feb. 21st). We are lucky to have Larry Jones, a wonderful trainer from Virginia for a halter clinic in the morning, followed by lunch and our Pyramid Society meeting. Larry, who showed Kawalkada to her National Ch. Mare title here in the United States, will be discussing the early stages of training a young horse, with an eye not only towards its halter career but to a future in performance.
If you would like to come on Saturday, please feel free to contact me - you do not have to be a Pyramid Society member and we would love to have anyone who shares a love for the Arabian horse to join us.
Anne-Louise (atoner@comcast.net)
Oliver
Feb 19 2004, 03:22 PM
Make sure to keep us informed
how the meeting was.
And give Imperial Baarez and the old boy Ibn Safinaz a big hug!
CarolHMaginn
Feb 21 2004, 12:57 PM
I wish I could be at this meeting! It sounds like it will be absolutely wonderful! I will be with you "in spirit"!
Have a wonderful meeting!
Carol Maginn
Anne-Louise
Feb 22 2004, 01:05 PM
Oliver, I did give dear old Safinaz a pat and a hello from you. He is such a character. Although, as previously mentioned, I am the world's WORST equine photographer I did manage to take one moderately respectable photo (in other words, it is not a disembodied tail floating beautifully in the corner of an otherwise blank image) for you.
Larry Jones is just an amazing man - a true horseman, patient, kind and absolutely incredible. His clinic was wonderful and I strongly suggest anyone - ANYONE! - who is looking for a trainer here on the East Coast to give Larry a call. I do wish you could have been here, Carol, you would have loved him. Perhaps when you come to D.C. we can go visit Larry's farm.
I also wanted to say an enormous thank you to everyone who came to the meeting and clinic yesterday - we had over 75 people and it was wonderful to meet such a positive and enthusiastic group of people. You were all terrific and your support for the Pyramid Society is greatly appreciated.
Thank you again everyone!
Anne-Louise
(Oliver, here is Safinaz...)
Majid
Feb 22 2004, 02:58 PM
Anne-Louise . . . Great picture of Ibn Safinaz!! He looks to be part spirit, part Arabian horse!
The Region 15 meeting at Imperial was terrific! One couldn't ask for a better venue in which to have a seminar on Egyptian Arabian horses! Great people, great horses, in a beautiful place!
Larry Jones worked with several young horses, demonstrating how to "join up" and develop the first bonds with a young horse, so as to be able to, influence the horses behavior, ie . . . train the horse. He talked about how it is necessary to think like a horse thinks, to be able to communicate effectively. He stressed the importance of body language, eye contact, and consistency in communication with the horse.
Larry also showed how a young horse ( he used a yearling Ibn Safinaz colt) should be taught to enter a trailer for the first time. To me, he seemed to emphasize the importance of building sufficient trust, teaching the young horse to understand queues, having a lot of patience, and being willing to take little steps, with sufficient repetition, to enable the young horse to become comfortable with the goal of being loaded into a trailer.
To top off the seminar, Larry worked through some of the concepts of halter training, from teaching a horse how to stand up for the judges, how to trot, how to stretch and give its neck . . . . all without any shanking of the lead line.
Larry also showed how to condition the horse to come into the show ring, with all of its exuberance and Arabian spirit, snorting, blowing, trotting, with tail up, in a natural way, without the necessity of the helpers "scaring" the horse from behind the scenes.
It was a terrific seminar. I think that it would be helpful for trainers and owners alike. I hope that more seminars such as this are offered at the major horse shows. Educating the community on the importance of healthy training methodologies is critical.
Imperial treated everyone at lunchtime, to some of their stallions and young breeding stock. As always it was pleasure to see the horses of their world class breeding program. They continue to breed exceptional examples of the Arabian horse.
It was great to see the large number of attendees from Virginia, Maryland, Delaware, Pennsylvania, New York, and Massachussets, and Connecticut.
Ralph, it was really a pleasure to make your acquaintance in person, after knowing you on line! I appreciate you making the long trip to join us.
I want to applaud Anne-Louise Toner, for organizing a great day. Region 15 is lucky to have her as our Director. I also greatly appreciate Beverly Sziraky, John Foster, and the other Imperial staff for being such good hosts. And thanks to Larry Jones, and his staff, for the their efforts in teaching us how to better understand our horses.
Together, they provided us with a great opportunity to meet, share and enjoy our Arabian horse, and to learn more about this wonderful animal that shares our world.
Thank you.
Majid Alsayegh
Carol Maginn
Feb 22 2004, 03:20 PM
Anne-Louise!
What a great photo! Majid is right! Ibn Safinaz looks like an arabian vision trotting through the desert... That seminar sounds absolutely fantastic! I'm so sorry I didn't hop on a plane and come myself! I have all those issues that I could sure use help with!!! Does Larry have any materials or books or videos that can be purchased for those of us who missed his seminar? And yes - I would so love to go to his farm next time I'm there in your area - in April.
Region 15 is SO lucky to have Anne-Louise... In fact! Region 9 considers Anne-Louise a their "Remote PR and Concept Expert"! She comes up with the best ideas and implements them so well!
We are all very fortunate to have such great people to work with! Congratulations on putting on such a FANTASTIC seminar/meeting! 75 People! Geez - that is a crowd!
Kindest regards,
Carol
Ralph
Feb 22 2004, 09:35 PM
Anne-Louise, thank you for inviting me to attend The Region 15 Pyramid Society meeting yesterday at Imperial Egyptian Stud. Because of you, I was able to see Imperial Baarez and Imperial Al Kamar, as well as build some memories that I will treasure for a long, long time. Imperial Baarez caught me off guard. I was not prepared for his magnificence. A beautiful and yet, a very powerfully built horse. I was very impressed with the size of his hindquarter. There is a lot of horse here!! I almost fell over backwards. What must it feel like to ride this horse?
Imperial Al Kamar made a significant impression on me because of the great consistency of his progeny. Many of the horses that caught my attention, were sired by Imperial Al Kamar. Two of my favorite stallions were the bay Imperial Al Kahdi (out of the Imperial Madheen daughter, MB Mazaraa) and the chestnut Imperial Amir Kamar (out of the Imperial Imdal daughter, Imperial Falaah). This chestnut stallion, Imperial Amir Kamar just blew me away with his movement. It has been a long time since I have seen a horse move like he does. And in many ways, he reminds me of seeing *Serenity Sonbolah in her last days, electrifying the audience, with her snorting, as she trotted a hole in the wind, with her tail curled over her back. WOW! I just could not even eat the fantastic lunch that was prepared, for fear of the embarrassment that I would experience, as someone would be forced to administer the Hemlich maneuver on me!
But I believe that the real treasure of the day was the time spent in the mare barn with Beverly. Thank you Beverly for making this possible. You can't even imagine what your generosity and hospitality did for me and how grateful I am to you. These moments were magical and totally unexpected. And I am finding it hard to concentrate on anything, as I keep remembering Imperial Mistill and her excruciatingly lovely daughter by Baarez, Imperial Barillah. These horses just do something to me that I don't believe that I can even explain or do justice to with words. But souls connect, even if only for a few seconds and in this fleeting connection, touch hearts very deeply. It is hard to meet horses like Mistill and walk away without being touched by her inner beauty. It is the completeness of these horses beauty, this one quality that really rocks me to the core and makes me love Arabian Horses the way I do. Imperial Mistill is beautiful, just beautiful Beverly and I can't imagine what it must be like to be you and see her every day.
To see the dam of Imperial Baarez, BB Ora Kalilah, now a broodmatron, all grown up (the last time that I saw her, she was a filly) was another cherished moment. She is beautiful. Tall and elegant, commanding attention like a true Queen. "Hey man! Don't pet her, come over here right now and pet me!" she seemed to say. She caught my attention and held it there, delicious minute after minute. The Imdal daughter, Imperial Falaah, who is the dam of the beautiful moving chestnut horse, Imperial Amir Kamar was another treasured moment. As was the *Ibn Safinaz daughter: Imperial Safilla, the other Imdal daughter: the bay Imperial Phandalah, and the bay *Pharrah grand-daughter: Royal Kamiel.
It was great to put faces with some of the names that one reads here. Majid, I enjoyed meeting you. David and Debra Geiser, thank you for spending a few minutes with me, while I 'gushed" about your beautiful Nabiel son, Akid Geshan. Robert Gobla, thanks for coming over and shaking my hand and introducing me to Kelly and her fiancee, Claudia, and Dale. And finally Beverly, thank you for making Imperial and all of the wonders inside available to someone like me.
And once again, thank you Anne-Louise for creating a beautiful day.
corbinmk
Feb 22 2004, 10:09 PM
Sounds like Region 9 could use Anne-Louis's PR help, ideas, and suggestions! The meeting sounded wonderful. I anxiously wait for the day I get to see Imperial Al Kamar and BB Ora Kalilah. Following is the link to B B Akeem, who took reserve behind Imperial Baarez, both as 2 year olds, and you'll see why.
http://www.southwindarabian.com/akeem.html (Well, the photos did not do him great service.)
Southwind Arabians of Texas is grateful to DeShazers for the opportunity of acquiring BB Orakalina, who was just bred to Aspecial Ali for a 2005 foal. BB Orakalina is a full sister to BB Ora Kalilah.
Dale W
Feb 22 2004, 10:43 PM
Imperial Visit,
Seemed like a long time had expired, since my last visit to Imperial (1982?). The Whole experience was outstanding. Seeing the Great grand get of the horses that I was was familar with was also quite exciting.
Seeing where a program was and where it is today doesn't happen that often.
Two decades of breeding is an outstanding achievement. Thanks Imperial for that dedication!
Getting to meet a lot of familar and unfamilar people also is very inspiring! Just to get away and talk horses with dedicated Pyramid Society people is a good experience.
Finaly to meet Ralph, the Geisers, Majid and many others is also helpful.
Enjoyed the positive approch that Larry Jones put on Showing and Teaching horses to do what they are to do. It's frustrating to have to go through a lot of time and patience to accomplish what is needed to in Showing and loading horses. Larry expressed the logic and reason why it's benofitial to see things the way a horse does.
Appriciate that insight.
Thanks all,
Dale W
Robert
Feb 23 2004, 12:08 AM
Great Day,
Yes, what a great day it was at Imperial Egyptian Arabian Stud.
Anne Louise, presented and we all enjoyed a great meeting of the Pyramid Society and Region 15, and all the latest information, so very informative for all.
Ralph it was nice to meet in person after all of our conversations on the internet, you truly do enjoy and love the Egyptian Arabian horses.
Majid so nice to see you again.
Beverly a special thanks for the presentation of all the Imperial horses and the beautiful stallion Imperial Baarez.
Larry Jones all I can say is WHAT A GREAT HORSE TRAINER YOU ARE, excellent presentation for us all.
And a Big Hello to everyone that attend and spent a nice day together for the love of the Egyptian Arabian Horse.
Robert Gobla
Echo Hill Arabian Preseration
Imhotep Arabians
Feb 23 2004, 02:07 AM
Anne-Louise,
I want to thank you for a wonderful Region 15 meeting of the Pyramid Society. Everyone was so friendly and welcoming. It was so nice to make new acquaintances as well as see old acquaintances. Ralph and Majid it was so nice to meet you and be able to put a face to fellow forum members.
To Beverly and the Imperial staff, thank you for such an awesome presentation of horses. I was so happy to finally see Ibn Safinaz as he has been a favorite of mine. He is just beautiful. All the horses of Imperial are beautiful as well as the farm itself. A lovely place to visit.
The clinic with Larry Jones was impressive and educational to say the least. What a horse trainer he is!
Again, thank you all for a wonderful day
Claudia
Echo1
Feb 23 2004, 10:49 AM
Anne-Louise,
Thanks for a wonderful day. I know everyone from Echo Hill had a great time at Imperial and we are all very appreciative of what Region XV has to offer it's members.
I was so thankful and impressed with the methods of training that Larry Jones uses to show halter horses. Proving once again that training the Egyptian Arabian does not have to involve harsh methods. It's a matter of body languange, and patience, and reassuring to the horse to perform at his best, without the use of shanking, gingering, and being hard with a whip. I honestly believe his methods are by far the absolute best there is in Egyptian Halter training. Where can I get a copy of the Larry Jones video on Egyptian Horse training?
Once again, the Pyramid Society showed a great presence and Region XV is well on it's way to doing great things for it's members in this area. I was so inspired by all this wonderful organization has to offer, Echo Hill is planning a few events in support of Region XV in conjunction with the Pyramid Society.
If anyone from Region XV was unable to attend, you missed a good one, and hopefully we'll see you at the next meeting. The Pyramid Society, who is one of the very best organizations in Egyptian Arabians is certainly there for it's members. They offer many events and activities for their members. Being a member and participating in its activities is a postive way to support the Egyptian Arabian Horse. There is something for everyone.
It was wonderful to meet new people and enjoyed talking to many that were there; especially Anne- Louise and Ralph.
Thanks again to the Pyramid Society, Imperial Arabian Stud, its' owners and management, and to the members of Region XV for a great day with Egyptian Arabians. And a special thanks to Larry Jones, a real horseman.
Anne-Louise
Feb 23 2004, 10:47 PM
Just another quick and very heartfelt thank you to all of you who attended on Saturday. Carol and Spiker, you are very kind but I really had nothing whatsoever to do with the success of the clinic - Larry Jones must be one of, if not the best, trainers and clinicians I have ever watched, and it seems, both from the kind comments here and the emails, that everyone who was there felt the same way. Although Larry would have been just as wonderful had he worked with those horses in the back of a turnip field, we were all so fortunate to have Beverly Sziraky and the staff at Imperial open the doors to their incredible facility for us, and were surrounded by the most beautiful Egyptian arabian horses in a spectacular setting. What a treat. Also must add that I know of some of the really fabulous events that are coming up in Texas, movie stars and all, Carol!
Many thanks again to Larry Jones, Beverly Sziraky and everyone at Imperial, and all of the members of Region XV. I think you are all just wonderful.
Anne-Louise
Oliver
Feb 24 2004, 10:02 AM
Thank you all for sharing this wonderful day with all of us here!
And a big thank you to you, Anne-Louise, for the Safinaz photo.
He is indeed a character and such a special stallion who literally
won it all - halter, performance, harness. As versatile as an Arabian
should be!
I saw Larry Jones showing a Polish Penitent daughter years ago.
I don't remember her name, something like "Kawklada" (??).
A beautiful white mare with the Penitent charsima.
To watch them was like "Romeo and Juliet" had appeared on stage -
both loved each other and respected each other so very much that it
was a joy to watch them interact. Seldom did I see such a talented,
gifted handler who gave his horse such confidence.
Liz Salmon
Feb 24 2004, 01:30 PM
I'm so glad that this was such a success. I too was so impressed by Larry when he showed Kawalkada, that I have never forgotten him. I introduced Anne-Louise to him last year when I was judging in her Region, we went to the farm, where he was training—he's an incredible horseman with very happy horses.
Having just returned from Scottsdale, where I got so sick of watching the jerk and whip techniques of some trainers, Larry is a breath of fresh air. I was asked to go and look at one poor horse, who had scars, cuts and bruises all over his head, it was so sad. Owners need to take control. I do hope more people start using Larry and we'll begin to see a change, certainly at the Egyptian Event. Liz Salmon
Al Fawara
Feb 24 2004, 09:08 PM
In November 2003 I was invited as a guest speaker at the Region XV meeting by Anne-Louise, which was also held at Imperial. It was just great! The fact that it was held at Imperial was a very nice bonus, and I was able to talk about my art as well. I am very happy to read that this meeting even was a bigger success regarding the number of people that attended.
While I was in the DC area I saw Larry ride a nice bay horse, very much a "Stubbs" type horse, and was really impressed by that. It looked natural without any pressure .
Anne-Louise has a talent for organizing and is very knowledgeable about the breed and also about horses in general. She will not admit that but it is just so!
Well done, I look forward to seeing you in a few months time, I will donate the mare and foal to the auction at the Event.
Best wishes to you all, Sven
Jens
Feb 26 2004, 09:16 AM
It is amazing that such seminars are held in the US - but why do such seminars don't exist in Europe? The PSE should think about this idea. It is a good way to bring new people to horses/Egyptian Arabian horses.
Dale W
Mar 3 2004, 12:34 AM
Hello,
When I visited Imperial in the 80's. A mare was there, who I had just seen a beautiful mare by Tuhotmos. She was Akid Bint Anazeh. Her dam was at Imperial and was listed as being there. She was Totally Babson. So wasn't quite what they were breeding at the time.
I was so glad that they were able to show me her. I was glad to see the old look as compared to the newer look they were presenting.
It was a little hard to believe what a Babson mare could do bred to a horse like Tuhotmos. Producing a high Quality mare. This taught me a very valuable lesson. With a mare that isn't that good looking, but has the genetics needed. It is possible to get a Quality Mare that is a masterpiece. Maybe not always. Yet I am extremely thankful for Imperial showing me that.
Seeing the Stallion Ibn Safinaz. Reminded me of his origins. It's not often you get to see a legend. Thanks Imperial for the look of the EAO breeding as seen through him. Every time I get to look at the origional horses of Egypt, it gives me more understanding. We have been passed along a great Blessing. They go back to some of the finest that was ever raised.
Thanks so much for sharing with all of us.
Best Regards,
Dale W.
Ralph
Aug 22 2004, 02:46 AM
I have been experiencing phenomenal computer problems (even losing my computer for 6 days, as it had to be sent back for repair!) and have not been able to visit the forum in a while. I have missed you all! In February, shortly after this Pyramid Society meeting, I posted the following comments:
QUOTE
Imperial Al Kamar made a significant impression on me because of the great consistency of his progeny. Many of the horses that caught my attention, were sired by Imperial Al Kamar. Two of my favorite stallions were the bay Imperial Al Kahdi (out of the Imperial Madheen daughter, MB Mazaraa) and the chestnut Imperial Amir Kamar (out of the Imperial Imdal daughter, Imperial Falaah). This chestnut stallion, Imperial Amir Kamar just blew me away with his movement. It has been a long time since I have seen a horse move like he does. And in many ways, he reminds me of seeing *Serenity Sonbolah in her last days, electrifying the audience, with her snorting, as she trotted a hole in the wind, with her tail curled over her back. WOW! I just could not even eat the fantastic lunch that was prepared, for fear of the embarrassment that I would experience, as someone would be forced to administer the Hemlich maneuver on me!
Tonight, I visited the Imperial website and found a more recent photo of this most beautiful horse...and no matter how much time passes, I just can't forget him. He was thrilling and I hope that many of you can see him. I think you will agree. On the paternal side, he traces to *Serenity Sonbolah and on the dam side, he traces to *Fawkia. That's double Sameh, Imperial Imdal, El Hilal...just some pretty wonderful foundation horses rolled up in one fantastic horse.
Ralph
trish houston
Aug 22 2004, 03:13 AM
Hi Ralph....welcome back

...It is with interest I read your post for like you something special is about to happen Down Under...There is a stallion here P.V.A Sonbali who is Ruminaja Ali---Imperial Sonboleen tracing to that amazing mare Serenity Sonbolah....he has been tucked away for some years now with only a small amount of offspring on the ground....the few that I have seen have that special snort and trott you speak about....He will now have a real chance to do something special and breed some get from El Hilal....Imperial Madheen...Fabo....Asfour...Anaza Bay Shahh....in Straights...and Sir Halima....Imp.Madaar...Prince Fa Moniet...in non-straight mares...I am so pleased that this great old boy will get a chance to leave his ""mark"" so to speak...for it's from the greats from the past...come the greats of the future....Just thought you might be interested to know this.....Cheers Trish
Ralph
Aug 22 2004, 03:31 AM
Trish!

Thanks for telling us about PVA Sonbali. This is a wonderful opportunity for Australia to incorporate another source of Ruminaja Ali blood, as well as Sameh combined with the "moving machine" tail female line of Rodania. That's awesome. The PVA horses can prove to be extremely complementary to some of the horses that you mentioned. Remember that Imperial Baarez was sired by PVA Karim and out of a Babson bred mare (PH Safina). If you have a picture of this horse, will you post it? Wishing you a great day!
Ralph
trish houston
Aug 22 2004, 03:52 AM
Ralph....Iv'e enjoyed Imp. Baarez for some time so you can imagine my exicment with this new chapter about to be open...thous here in Aust. that have used Sonbali allready to date have a great foundation to which to build on...

Liz Samon judged two of his granget last year... to which she gave Champion Mare and Stallion...so it is refreshing to see that he breeds on past one generation and might I add they were out of unrelated mares but both expressed the best qualities from this line...the other interesting think is the difference in the colours of his get ....most families have better greys to bays or chestnuts in what ever order....but Sonbali seems consistent no matter what the colour.....Sorry that I don't have a up to date photo of him here in my desk top , but should be able to get one posted next week when I can get a copy.....maybe someone else may have an old photo of him till I can up date it for you....

cheers Trish
Ralph
Aug 22 2004, 02:17 PM
Trish:
Thanks for the heads-up (and I understand your enthusiasm completely now)...I found the photo of
PVA SONBALI...taken by Trevor Bellchambers of Victoria. He is a most awesome looking horse. I don't think I could have imagined him this lovely.
Ralph
Abbasiyah
Aug 22 2004, 03:44 PM
Hello Ralph,
In looking at these photos I find it very interesting to see the differences in the looks of the grey progeny of this line in comparisom to the chestnut. Great photos
Judi
Ralph
Aug 22 2004, 07:15 PM
Hi Judi:
I really never thought about phenotype-by-color, until meeting Caryn Rogosky and comparing horses with her, particularly her foundational elements of Halima, Moniet El Nefous through *Fakher El Din and *Tuhotmos, the Babson horses (Fabo and Maar Ree) and Sirecho.
What is interesting about a beautiful horse like Imperial Amir Kamar is that neither of his parents are chestnut, both sire and dam are grey colored horses, as well as grandparents, they are all grey too. The chestnuts don't come in until the fourth generation with the appearance of *Serenity Sonbolah (the only chestnut in this generation). In the fifth generation you have a chestnut colored mare like Romanaa and then, I don't remember the color of *Hoyeda, Bint Om El Saad and Mamlouka but I believe that these are chestnut colored mares too (if I am wrong, I know someone will correct me as I am typing off the top of my head).
I really like this chestnut colt and because of his color (phenotype-to-color theory), I believe that he will be very strong in transmitting the Rodania characteristics, one of which is the electrifying movement.
What do you think?
Ralph
Caryn
Aug 22 2004, 07:33 PM
Hi Ralph,
The first thing I saw in him was Serenity Sonbolah, but modified with traits of El Hilal. I think this lovely colt looks very much like his pedigree would suggest and his coloring and markings scream Rodania, a very good representation of this kind.
Caryn
Tous crinsGuest
Aug 22 2004, 07:48 PM
Hi Caryn,
Could you post pictures of both horses to illustrate what you are saying?
I have only see still shots of El Hilal (and just today, a rearing one) and have not seen many pictures of Serenity Sonbolah.
Christine
Ralph
Aug 22 2004, 07:51 PM
Hi Caryn:
Shortly after arriving at Imperial, Majid Alsayegh and I walked through the stallion barn. I remember seeing Imperial Al Kamar first and then, Imperial Baarez, who was so incredible (he has the biggest, most wonderful hindquarter and has this almost Baroque look to him, he really left me speechless). So, unfortunately, any impression that I had of Kamar, was eclipsed by Baarez. After composing myself, I saw Amir Kamar. I called out to him and he came right up to the door of his stall and sniffed my hand while I took every inch of this gorgeous horse in. He is really beautiful, not exotic but just very beautiful. So, if you are not taken by his beauty, surely you will be taken by his movement. I can grab every cliche in the book to describe him to you, like "poetry in motion" and all that sort of stuff, which really does not do the horse justice.
I found it interesting that you mentioned the resemblance to El Hilal. Although I have never seen this horse, in all the pictures that I have seen of him, he is a fancy horse, a peacock...which is the same word I found circulating in my brain, as I drove away from Imperial and thought more about Amir Kamar. It was in those moments that the significance of Imperial Al Kamar, like a light bulb moment, hit me.
Here is a head shot of him, to underscore the comments that I am making about his beauty. I really like him...did I say that already?
Ralph
Abbasiyah
Aug 22 2004, 08:36 PM
Hi Ralph:
It is indeed amazing how strong this Rodania line is in fixing certain traits of colour, body structure and movement. This colt is double Rodan as *Serenity Sonbolah goes back to the Rissala line and Imperial Falaah back to the Riyala line of this family.
There is a bit more chestnut to pull from and that is through Sonbolah herself, Mabrouka, Moniet El Nefous, Mouna and Romanaa II and few further back in the pedigree. Oh yes, Hoyeda as well as she was a chestnut. Bint Om El Saad and Mamlouka are grey.
I can see Romanaa II, Moniet El Nefous and Sonbolah in this colt. It will really be interesting to see what this colt will do in the breeding shed. He certainly is bred to be strong in transmitting the Rodania characteristics

I don't see El Hilal but then I've never seen this colt in person. Who knows he may surprise us all and produce grey El Hilal look alikes! Isn't breeding fun
Judi
Caryn
Aug 22 2004, 09:12 PM
QUOTE (Tous crinsGuest @ Aug 22 2004, 08:48 PM)
Hi Caryn,
Could you post pictures of both horses to illustrate what you are saying?
I have only see still shots of El Hilal (and just today, a rearing one) and have not seen many pictures of Serenity Sonbolah.
Christine
Hi Christine,
I'll give it a try. I had many great photos in my computer files and lost them all when it crashed. I'll see what I can find.
Caryn
Caryn
Aug 22 2004, 09:22 PM
Hi Judi,
I see El Hilal reflected in the structure of this colt, his short coupling and also the shape and connection of the neck to the head. There is also something about the distance from his eye to the outside of his cheek, and the placement of the eye itself. Maybe I can see it more easily because I've had so many non-grey El Hilal grandget (through MFA Bint Maar Ree X El Hilal), and then all of Maar Hala grandget I've had through Halim El Mansour. There is something about the profile shot of this colt that immediately reminds me of them, I can see the kinship, although there is no question that he is a Serenity Sonbolah descendant...that comes through the clearest.
Caryn
Ralph
Aug 22 2004, 09:38 PM
Hi Judi:
I agree with you. I can see Romanaa II and Sonbolah in this colt. Since he is a chestnut WITH fabulous movement, I was specifically looking for only the pedigree elements that would contribute these two qualities. I "forgot" the emphasis of Moniet and that would explain some of the refinement and elegance that this colt has. Thanks for pointing this out.
It is my sincere hope that more people learn of this colt. Imperial has been advertising him at an introductory rate and he is so exciting of a colt, that I hope he attracts some really top mares. Maybe someone reading right now, who does not know about him may be intrigued enough to contact Beverly at Imperial. THAT would be wonderful.
Ralph
Majid
Aug 22 2004, 11:21 PM
Ralph,
Abraxas Arabians has focused on El Hilal breeding. Hopefully they can comment on whether they see El HIlal in Amir.
I agree with Caryn and others that see Serenity Sonbolah in him. I also have an Imperial Al Kamar son that I think also favors Sonbolah.
Majid
Caryn
Aug 22 2004, 11:29 PM
Hi All,
I have found and scanned photos of Serenity Sonbolah and El Hilal and tried to post them, but for some reason it didn't work. I have to fool around with it and try to figure out what I did wrong. In the meantime, there is a set of photos of two beautiful Arabian horses floating around out in cyberspace!
Caryn
Majid
Aug 23 2004, 12:02 AM
Caryn,
If you want to email the pics, I will be happy to try to post them.
Majid
Caryn
Aug 23 2004, 12:55 AM
Thank you Majid! I lost most of my saved email addresses when my computer died last spring, so if you wouldn't mind emailing me (so I have the correct address), I'll send you the photos to try to post. My email address is CRogosky@aol.com. Thanks again, Majid.
Caryn
Majid
Aug 23 2004, 01:37 AM
El Hilal
Majid
Aug 23 2004, 01:38 AM
Serenity Sonbolah
Caryn
Aug 23 2004, 01:57 AM
Thank you so much for posting these Majid. I wanted to add that these two photos are from Authentic Arabian Bloodstock, Judith Forbis. I hope it is okay to post them, since they are being used for educational purposes.
Caryn
Abbasiyah
Aug 24 2004, 02:41 PM

Hi Caryn, Majid, Ralph et al
Caryn, I've only delt with the grey El Hilal offspring so I'm still trying to visulize him in the colt. Maybe seeing him in person will help.
I found a photo of Romanaa II for comparisom.
Judi
Ralph, if you love this colt then I know you would love Najeeb El Ahsen, another Kuhaylan Rodan by Ahsen El Serag and out of AK Nazria.
Ralph
Aug 24 2004, 02:59 PM
Judi,
I love this picture of Sonbolah. When I first saw her at Imperial, I was really surprised. They were bringing her in from the field and she was so different than the mental image that I carried in my head. When she was turned out loose and trotted around, even her pictures did not convey how really lovely she was, floating, with her tail curled over her back, and her nostrils flared and snorting loudly through them!
If you can post a photo of Najeeb El Ahsen, that would be great. I would love to see him. I think that this Dahman boy is turning into a Kuhaylan Rodan man (you have to read this sentnece while palying that oldie, Rubber Band man

!
Ralph
Ralph
Aug 24 2004, 03:02 PM
Here's Imperial Amir Kamar again, for an easy comparison against Sonbolah's photos
Tous crinsGuest
Aug 24 2004, 03:24 PM
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. When she was turned out loose and trotted around, even her pictures did not convey how really lovely she was, floating, with her tail curled over her back, and her nostrils flared and snorting loudly through them!
Ralph do you have a picture? That would help for the comparison.
Christine
Ralph
Aug 24 2004, 04:18 PM
Christine:
I don't have a picture, I can only tell you what my eyes saw at an Imperial Open House in the mid eighties. I am not a photographer, and all horses around the world are glad for this fact!
Caryn
Aug 24 2004, 07:14 PM
Yes, there's no question...definitely Romanaa II is alive and well in this colt!
Caryn
phanilah
Aug 24 2004, 07:31 PM
WOW, Amir Kamar is a flashback to Imperial Al Kareem - Kamar's very first foal (x Imperial ImTiaree).
Thanks for posting the photo - he's going to be one to keep an eye on.

Beth
Abbasiyah
Aug 24 2004, 08:08 PM

Ralph,
Sonbolah was quite a horse to say the least! What I find so amazing is the ability of those Kuhaylan Rodan's to carry forward the incredible movement and structure. Even with *Serag who was himself a super moving horse as well as being Sonbolah's maternal half brother.
Look at *Serag's son Ahsen El Serag out of the mare AK Ahliyeh (*Ibn Alaa El Din x Lohelia) Lohelia goes back to *Morafic x *Nabilahh (Anter x Farasha) so she is tail female Hadban.
Then look at the Ahsen El Serag son Najeeb El Ahsen who is out of AK Nazria (AK Nazaar x Bint Masria) who goes back to the Kuhaylan Rodan mare Nazeera.
Sorry these photos are not that clear as they came from a digital video camera but you can see the extension and impulsion. I'll try to get more photos of Najeeb as he is really looking good right now ( he has bodied out more

ha, ha, like his owner

) . I'd love to show you how he can get those hind legs underneath himself.
First photos are Ahsen El Serag (wish I knew how to stick them all on the same page

)
Abbasiyah
Aug 24 2004, 08:09 PM
Another Ahsen El Serag
Abbasiyah
Aug 24 2004, 08:11 PM

Now the Ahsen El Serag son, Najeeb El Ahsen (as a long yearling). Interesting is that he is starting to go liver now that he is 2 years old.
Ralph
Aug 24 2004, 09:23 PM
Judi, I really like this colt., Najeeb El Ahsen. He is really nice. What is he like? In this photo, he seems to ahve some really good movement.
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