The thread about the RSI horses got me to thinking about this beautiful chestnut mare. I never got to know her but I was fascinated by the "Queen of Rancho San Ignacio".
Bint Moniet El Nefous produced 13 foals in her lifetime. 2 of these foals were by stallions with Rabanna in their pedigrees:
Tatu , mare by John Doyle(NOT PYRAMID EGYPTIAN-RABANNA)
Sir White Moon, stallion by Tibor the General (NOT PYRAMID EGYPTIAN-RABANNA)
Muniet Nefous RSI, mare by Umi (PYRAMID EGYPTIAN)
And bred to the straight Egyptian *Rashad Ibn Nazeer, she produced the following full siblings:
Alcibiades
Bimoniet RSI
Bint Bint Moniet
Dymoniet RSI
Monieta RSI
Monietor-RSI
Monisa RSI
Rasmoniet RSI
RSI Rara Del Sol
Sonieta
How about you? How do you feel about this DIVA? Any stories? Close encounters? Anything you can share about this great mare?

.

*Bint Moniet as a foal in Egypt

The beautiful mother

Saying goodbye

Hi Sand*Dollar,

here my small contribution


Bint Moniet El Nefous

( Nazeer / Moniet El Nefous )

EAO Reg. # 30

DOB: Jan. 24, 1957

Imported to the US in 1958 - AHR reg.# 14455

Dam:

Moniet El Nefous

( Shahloul / Wanisa )

RAS Reg. # 441

DOB: Feb. 11, 1946 / Died: 1976

Bint Bint Moniet

( Rashad Ibn Nazeer / Bint Moniet El Nefous )

AHR Reg. # 85366

DOB: Jan. 24, 1957

photo: Alcibiades

I always thought she was bred to the wrong stallions. This beautiful mare was the epitome of type and grace but I didn't like Rashad Ibn Nazeer. And her daughters and sons by him were not comparable to her. I don't want to offend someone it's just my view. For me her best son was Dymoniet. Her daughters at Bentwood Farm looked nothing like her and produced accordingly.

Thanks Marianella for yr photos -contribution.These images are part of the history of the Arabian horse breed in the
modern era and the perfectly dished and chiselled profile of Moniet el Nefous is suh an image of perfection - for those
interested in this GREAT Queen and her history I suggest to read a very beautiful article by Cynthia Culbertson in the
second issue of the magazine Desert Heritage - one of the best contributions I have ever read about this great Mare
I would like to quote a poem, Cynthia included in her article (we have already talk about Poetry in this site!!) to me
these words are simply.....touching:


...Come, belove mare.....
Drink milk of the camel,
pick sweet-scented herbs.
And when you die, die with me.
Not downwards, but upwards flies your soul,
Then, I will gallop and race with you
across the heavenly spaces.
(Poem of Omaja, son of Abu-Agez)

quoted from the article :" EAO Moniet el Nefous and Alaa el Din", by Cynthia Culbertson "Desert Heritate" Magazine nr. 2

Paola

Good morning Guntrom

We all have our likes and dislikes. Moniet El nefous was made famous through the promotion of Jarrel McCracken, whoher her son Ibn Moniet El nefous. Prior to that she was not that much of an issue. she had a great deal of quality, but also a long back, camel nose, short croup
and neck could be higher set.

Rashad Ibn Nazeer took a lot from his dam "Yashmak"
However, he was an incredible athlete, a Grand Prix Dressage horse trained by Col. Haendler of the Spanish
riding school, who visited Richard Pritzlaf almost every year. Even tom Mcnair at some occasions joined the training sessions. I knew the stallion personally and liked him very much. He still had a bit of his dam's croup, but otherwise was a good horse. Photos do not do him justice.

the production of Rashad Ibn Nazeer over Bint Moniet El Nefous produced some excellent athletic and beautiful horses. Some did not have that "concave head" just the same had lovely heads. He was able in some cases to shorten the back, put more substance on and improved.

this is my opinion and I judge horses first from the bottom up, the confirmation and what it will do. Just to breed, because someone says some horse is a "Queen" etc, has a particular manmade label is not wise. We must look at the important things, and ALWAYS think of funtioabilty of horses, because that is what horses are designed for, to be ridden, driven etc.
If we continue to overlook this, we will indeed create
gardenornaments, useless for what they should be able to do, other than looking pretty.

Have a nice day
Hansi.
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Dear Hansi,
thanks for your writings but I didn't refer to Moniet but to her daughter Bint Moniet El Nefous who was better in conformation than her dam which I never saw in the flesh but on video. Anyway, Rashad was an athlete but it takes more than to be athletic to be a good Arabian horse. The type is the hallmark of the breed for me. A good athlete without good Arabian type may be a good HORSE but not a good ARABIAN horse. The one is nothing without the other. And a beautiful head is nothing without a functional body. Rashad looked like a Muniqi or like an Achal Tekkiner but for sure not like an Egyptian Arabian horse. Athletic or not, he wasn't a typical representative of the Egyptian Arabian horse. Morafic was athletic AND beautiful, I like the whole package. Can you imagine the foal born to Bint Moniet El nefous by Morafic? But that never happened. But again this is my personal point of view.

Moniet El Nefous was very famous well before Jarrel McCracken bought *Ibn Moniet El Nefous from Jay Stream. And it wasn't from a man-made label either. Moniet El Nefous, when bred to Sid Abouhom, produced three daughters: Mabrouka, Mona and Lubna. Mabrouka went on to produce *Morafic by the stallion Nazeer. If all that Moniet El Nefous (with her camel nose, long back, short croup, and low-set neck) produced was Mabrouka, , she would have still been famous, as the maternal grandmother of *Morafic. However, she produced *Fakher El Din (by Nazeer), *Soufian (by Alaa El Din), *Tuhotmos (by El Sareei), and the already mentioned, *Ibn Moniet El Nefous (by *Morafic). Lubna, when bred to Sameh produced *Sultann and *Safaa, and when bred to *Morafic produced Ghalion. Mona, when bred to Alaa El Din produced Moneera, bred to *Morafic, she produced *Hoyeda, and bred to Nazeer, *Bint Mona. Many of the horses that descend from Moniet El Nefous founded dynamic, vibrant Egyptian Arabian Horse families, that were not only beautiful horses but athletic horses as well. Their significance in Egyptian Arabian Horse breeding is felt to the present day and will continue to impact Egyptian Horses in the future. Take any of the descendants and look at them from the "bottom up" and they will pass any horseman's test for functionality without making compromises for Arabian Horse type.

ARGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

*Bint Moniet El Nefous was a beautiful mare, breathtaking really. There are too many people who saw her and say the same thing. In many ways, she was much better than her mother. Just as beautiful but better conformed. I might even go out on a limb and say that she was even prettier than her mother.

For Guntram:

I agree with all that you said about her progeny. One of my "wish list" items was to have seen her bred to other stallions. How many incredible horses would we now be enjoying if she had been bred with a little more diversity. And then agian, maybe it would not have made a difference. Who knows? This is all "monday morning quarterbacking".

I was cruising around the internet and found a stallion that carries an incredible percentage to *Bint Moniet: Sonyet. He is owned by Sheila Harmon and he is by SonietasSolar RSI and out of Alsonia RSI, a full brother and sister mating. I saw a picture of him and he looked nice.

Of all the horses that *Bint Moniet foaled, I like the stallion Alcibiades and that is coming from someone who is not a fan of the *Rashad blood too. Looking at some of his progeny, they are quite nice too.

Hmh???????
I wasn't the one who questioned Moniet El Nefous!
I'm well aware of what she produced and saw nearly all
of her get in person including Ameer and her Alaa El Din
daughters who were a lot different than her other foals, but that's
a different story.
Don't mix me up with what Hansi said.
Thanks.

HI gutram.

than you for your kind input. did you ever see Rashad Ibn Nazeer in the flesh? to me he looked like a typical desert bred Arbian, all arabian. to me an Arabian horse MUST HAVE FUNCTIOABILITy, and the SILHOUETTE of an Arabian horse. Rashad did. Of course, if you refer to many a now-adays "Halter horse" many of which no more resemble any of their ancestors, I agree. Here I am referring to Straight Egyptians.

Look at Antar, Mashhour, Sameh, el Moez , etc.etc.
and you will understand what I am refering to. And if you were to see some of the Desert Bred Arabians in the Regions, etc. you will find that they have NOT CHANGED.

Alone the Bachranies are of different type, but their SILHOUETTE is that of an ARABIAN HORSE, MOST DEFINITELY. When you see the Turkish Asil Arabians
they still have also that look and silhouette. When you see the imported US and Polish stallions in Turkey you at once can detect a difference , although also these look like an arabian, but not like an Asil Arabian.

There is also a destinct difference of looks/type between Babson/Gleannloch/Plumgrove/iSerenity and Ansata
arabians. With the exception of Ansata and Babson the others have a close resemblence. Many of these Arabians are extremely beautifull, made their mark under saddle or on the tracks and SREAM "I am an Arabian Horse". If one is only exposed to a particular type or breeding program, has not really seen the others, it is indeed difficult to conclude.

To me personally a horse which cant do anything is not worth a dime. It is a toy, a garden ornament, many people simply cant afford and an equestrian would think twice to aquire one, so would a knowledgable breeder producing functional arabian horses which in most all cases are also quite beautiful. But then Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder anyway. right? right!

Have a nice evening
Hansi

Hiya Guntram!

Sorry, most of my comments were not directed at you. Some erroneous information was posted by another person and I wanted to correct the statements made. I also wanted to let you know that I agree with your statements and share the same sentiments that you have about Rashad. I guess in trying to address everything in one post, I made myself misunderstood. And I am sorry if I insinuated that you did not know the significant impact that Moniet El Nefous had on straight Egyptian Arabian Horse breeding. I went back to my post and edited it, so that no one else gets a similar impression.

It would be interesting if you can share your experiences and insight toward the Alaa El Din daughters, as I understand that they were very different than her Nazeer and Sid Abouhom daughters.

Thanks!

Guntram,

I am attaching a picture of the 1990 Saklawi Jedran Ibn Sudan stallion, Sonyet, that I mentioned. He traces to *Bint Moniet El Nefous in all four of his female lines.

Like I said, he is by SonietasSolar RSI (Almoniet RSI x Sonieta) and out of Alsonia RSI (Almoniet RSI x Sonieta).

He is described by his owner, Sheila Harmon as "14.3 hand, bay stallion with a huge eye, classically dished face and high dancing action."

He looks to be a very interesting, dramatic horse. What do you think?

The Egyptian Queen

Moniet el Nefous

What should I still say about this legend? Moniet el Nefous-"the bride of the Nile" like many Americans say-was born 1946 in Egypt. She was also compared to the Egyptian queen Nefertari.

Moniet belonged to the favourite mares of General Tibor who was the director of El Zahraa from 1949-1959. Moniet el Nefous-"the wish of the soul" (meaning of her name)-gave birth to wonderful arabians like Bint Moniet el Nefous, Mouna, Mabrouka, *Ibn Moniet el Nefous and *Tuhotmos. All her children, grandchildren and great-grandchildren have the typical "Moniet-el-Nefous-Look": big eyes, small ears and a gorgeous head.
Moniet died at the age of 30 in Egypt in 1976.

names which were given to Moniet:

"Queen of Egypt"

"Beauty of the past", "Joy of the present" and "Hope of the future"

"Provisions of the soul"

two poems which probably describe Moniet el Nefous


"Beauty of face no honor ever gives
To him who owns it-nor with
Whom it lives:
Beauty of the soul must ever follow on,
Or else it falls like powder
Through the sieves."

by Al Mutannabi

"There are two ways
of spreading light:
to be a candle
or the mirror that reflects it."

by Judith Forbis

BEST REGARDS,

MARIANELLA

Beautiful quotations, Marianella,

THANKS!

Paola

Thanks for your beautiful words, my dear Paola.
Always my heart will be next to the Arabian Horse, for that reason it is a pleasure my to share with all although it is a small sand granite!

Marianella

Hi Sand-dollar,
we have a Sonyet daughter, DA Serendipity, out of JA Bay Sara. A black-bay with movement you cannot picture without seeing her in person as she floats with ground covering extension and just perfect elevation. Her front legs seemingly never touching the ground with her drive from behind. She also has Raadin Inshalla in her bloodline so she is doubly blessed with athletic forbears.
When bred to Kazmeen she produced a chestnut filly who is also a mover. We call her "Rosie" and to see her move is is to stop in awe.
Sonyet truly sires his pedigree and blends well with any line. In person he is all horse, undeniably Arabian, undeniably imbued with type and OH so Pritzlaff.
Wish that he were ours.......
Regards
JAL

Just a little history lesson......... Marshall Partlow wrote the first article about Moniet El Nefous in 1973. He visited the horses at the E.A.O. in 1972 looking for a stallion. Instead he came home mesmerized with Moniet and her offspring.

Direct quote from Marshall. "It has to be God's work to create a mare such as MONIET EL NEFOUS. How fortunate it is that five of her offspring are in America to infuse their blood for all times with ours."

Once again, everyone has their own likes and dislikes!!!!!!!

Another quote: "Beauty, grace and refinement are not in contrast to soundness, stamina and endurance. BEAUTY simply replaces UGLINESS, GRACE takes the place of CLUMSINESS and REFINEMENT-COARSENESS."

CARL RASWAN

Hi JAL,

Are you able to post a picture of your Sonyet daughter, DA Serendipity? I am curious to see how Ra'adin Inshalla and Sonyet blended. That hits close to home. Thanks.

This is DA Serendipity, "Sere".
a bad photo, candid, in pasture with the El Shaklan Grand-daughter on her right. She is pregnant here and as you can see chewing away. Photo is a few years old and she has "dried-out" even more.
Her head is "moniet like", generally narrower but with beautiful eyes.
When she struts her stuff..............Ah Pure Arab.
Regards
JAL

Hiya JAL and thank you for posting the picture of your mare!

This is a high quality mare you have. Really, a nice mare. I was very shocked when I saw her picture because she has a striking resemblance to a Kuhaylah Jellabiyah that I once knew. Same coloring and her head is hauntingly similar. Her body is hard to see from the photo and she is also in foal. I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw the picture. So, this is what you can get when the lines of Sonyet and Ra'adin Inshalla are crossed. You really have me going now...and that's a good thing.

Would like to talk to you more about this but am not comfortable talking within the confines of this forum, for your sake, as well as mine. Can you send me a private message (with your email address) through this forum and I will respond?

Thanks a million.

Moniet was a rare jewel and the mother and grandmother of rare jewels. This was known in Egypt as well as to many foreigners long before Mr. McCrakens Ibn Moniet El Nefous who was not her best son. To judge from the bottom up is not an Arab belief. The Arab will judge the horse from the top down. What is found in the eyes is the true character. If the eyes shows the true Arab the rest of the horse is then worthy of being judged.

Wow! when i looked at this photo of Bint Moniet, i mean i saw my own mare Shanah, where in the 5. generation she is through her daughter Bint Bint Moniet. Im allways riddle, to which of her ancestors she is look like ( not like her parents and greatparents) and now , when I´ve seen this photos, i know it!
Gabi

My favorite son in this line was Rasmoniet RSI. Alcibaides sons and daughters were not very impressive but his grandget are often very nice. The most common photo of Rashad Ibn Nazeer is really horrible and makes him out as a characature of a Muniqui, but better photographs show a VERY nice horse. The combination of Pritslaff with other lines has had some great results. MEN was very important to the Pritslaff lines and most other lines.

Years ago I read somewhere of a condition in the USA that came from breeding horses of much Moniet El Nefous blood. I think the foals were a strange color and would die in a short time after birth. Is it true?

No, only through Ibn Moniet El Nefous so who knows where it might have come from. Could be any one of his ancestors. Bentwood had many cases through Ibn Moniet and his son, Moniet El Sharaf. It has also been documented with horses with no Moniet blood at all.

I heard of this also. They called it Lavendar Foal. There were many foals who died from it in Texas - my recollection is that most but not all had Moniet El Nefous somewhere in the pedigree of both the sire and the dam of the foal who died. a real mystery.

This is a picture of Alcibiades as a younger horse, taken at RSI. Shortly I will send on a picture of a granddaughter of his by the stallion Sonyet that you have been mentioning.
Jan Ferraro

I am following this thread with great interest because my boy Muluki Atan has Bint Moniet El Nefous as well as heavy Morafic bloodlines. I have been researching his lineage and am trying to find photos of each horse in his pedigree. I am glad to be able to add the photo of Bint Bint Moniet who I have not been able to find untill now. Of course I am biased but I even though I have owned Arabs since childhood, I have never had a straight Egyptian until now. He is the most intellegent and beautiful horse I have ever owned. I am doing dressage with him and also love to trail ride him. He is very sensible and very affectionate. He loves to play with his toys, especially his Jolly balls and the arena cones. If someone would tell me how, I would love to add his picture to this thread, thanks again for the great information.

Relli

Granddaughter of Alcibiades out of SW Sabiah, by the stallion SONYET. She is 1 year old here.
Jan Sorrell-Ferraro

Same filly as above. Gazella Bint Sabiah (Sonyet x SW Sabiah)
Jan Sorrell-Ferraro

Rasmoniet RSI
Chestnut Stallion 1971 ( Rashad Ibn Nazeer X Bint Moniet El Nefous )

Sired by tall Nazeer son Rashad Ibn Nazeer and out of the great mare Bint Moniet El Nefous (the only female as a result of famous Egypitan mare Moniet El Nefous being bred to the outstanding Nazeer), making Rasmoniet RSI double Nazeer. Rasmoniet RSI was a very talented, world famous show stallion. His outstanding show record included two championships each in both Regional Top Five and U.S. National events.

Photo: Thanks to BLENHEIM ARABIANS
Straight Egyptians in Scotland.

It was my pleasure to have the mare Raamona by Rasmoniet RSI x Cimoniet RSI. She was a Rabanna line mare, showed her sires influence and was a beautifully moving mare. Unfortunately we were never able to get a foal from her.

I love the above picture of Rasmoniet. It is the first time I have seen it and it shows him differently than I have seen before. I liked him from the other photos. This one just assures me I was right. Thank you for posting it.

Jan Sorrell-Ferraro

Here is a linebred *Rashad ibn Nazeer mare. She is being bred to Rasmoniet EHAP, a son of Rasmoniet RSI and Shikos Kazmeena who is a daughter of Shiko ibn Sheikh. Rasmoniet EHAP is a grandson of *Bint Moniet El Nefous and very much resembles his sire Rasmoniet RSI

Kelly
www.echohillarabians.com

Dear Jan Sorrell-Ferraro,

Thanks for his commentaries! The photos of their horses are very beautiful.
SW Sabiah, she´s very pretty!
Is her mother the of back?

Best Regards,
Marianella

Another Rasmoniet photo...


Photo: Polly Knoll

This photo is from the Nazeer Sons in America: Rashad Ibn Nazeer article in the INTERNATIONAL section.

Kaely

Rasmoniet EHAP (Rasmoniet RSI X Shikos Kazmeena)
Pure Pritzlaff, *Blue List

Hello Marianella,

Yes, SW Sabiah is the mother of the filly, Gazella Bint Sabiah. The filly is actually turning grey and is already a shade or two lighter than the picture shows her. I think she will retain a very dark mane and tail for some time as her body color lightens. She could be a very striking color if she does grey that way.

Sabiah is a flea bitten grey with dark or black speckles. She is a lovely mare and a wonderful mother. She came from the Montebello sale in Canada though bred in the US. She had obviously had other foals but none of them were ever registered though we were told she was an easy breeder, no foaling problems and an excellent mother. If any one knows anything about this mare during her years in Canada, I would love to hear from them.

Jan Sorrell-Ferraro

Dear Jan Sorrell-Ferraro,

thanks for the information, the two are very beautiful.
I will be waiting for the news his.

Best Regards,

Marianella

Having been exposed to the RSI and Rafter G horses for several years and currently owning the YOUNGEST son of Alcibiades at stud and seeing firsthand what horses of this breeding can do as far as being BORN ATHLETIC, I will continue to breed into this line for many years. Jan Sorrell-Ferraro had an opportunity of seeing my Alcibiades son in person last fall and describes him as being very much a RSI horse in appearance. Disposition that can't be beat, willing, gentle attitude, and a REAL pleasure to be around. Anyone wanting more information on breeding to the youngest son Of Alcibiades and one who is Sheikh Obeyd as well can e-mail me at: iden@access4less.net. I would love hearing from one and all.

Thanks

It was Ibn Moniet El Nefous and Ibn Moniet El Nefous sons who were siring the Lavender Foals in Texas. Most Moniet El Nefous lines never produced it.

Here is a little photo of my Moniet bred horse. Thee Master (Moniet el Sharaf x Raaquisa by Amaal)

Here a picture of Shaikh Monhalima by Shaikh Al Badi x Rodoniet (Umi x RSI Rara Del Sol)...


Photo taken by B. Krall ©

Here are pictures of her daughter Al Muntaha Shareefa by Salaa El Dine...


Photos taken by Carola Toischel ©

Another in motion...


Photos taken by Carola Toischel ©

Christian,

Here is your lovely filly trotting - I took the liberty of "cleaning" the photo up a bit. I hope you don't mind - she is certainly a beautiful filly.

Best regards,
Nancy P.