Hello,

I´m interested in the Sameh line.....Sultan....Sakr ......

What could you tell me about this line ?? Are there any horses left ?
I know Makhsous and his get, so please show me other horses too !

Whats about Sakr get ? ..there is Nabiel....are there others ? Did you have pictures ?

Which stallions are on stud now ?

Are there stallions in europe ?

Thank you in advance

There is I believe a Nabiel son Michelangelo KA in Italy along with a son of his Hadish LF Hadish won a gold at the 2001 Aachen stallion show and there is a picture of him in the report of that show on this site

Hopefully these two will be easier to locate than Sche Al Hasous!

Mike

For the Sameh line the sons are rapidly disappearing in the US! There is the Aseel son, carrying two crosses close to *Morafic in Waheeb in Arizona with Zee Ranch and in Washington with Hilary Lucas there is Falcontep by Abenhetep by Ibn Hafiza by Sameh and out of a TheEgyptianPrince daughter. Both of these stallions are aged, but both owners do ship semen. In Canada there is a full brother to Falcontep still producing. Unknown on him.

Other than the Makhsous line which now is making his foals and grandfoals even further removed, there are the Nabiel sons, one in Texas with Kehilan Arabians, another with Debra Geiser on the East Coast who is a world traveler having also foals in Australia, and another son that has had very little use --- Asasi Manasseh (sp?) and where he is at the present time is unknown to me.

The Shamruk sons seem to be almost non-existent or with private owners that are unknown to me -- LOL -- Joe Speed in Mississippi has one Shamruk son who does look promising. Unknown if they ship semen, etc.



The other horses I can find are very far removed from the Sameh blood.

Here is the phenomenal *Asadd++ (*Sultan x Amani) US National Champion Halter stallion and later US National Champion English Pleasure stallion. He was the paradigm of the perfect Arabian as he certainly proved that a great Arabian can do it all, and still, last heard, had a couple of sons left here in the US. Will try to locate them tho' one I believe is Ahadd.

Later: Have found that there were several *Asadd sons that have bred on...have no idea how many are straight Egyptians without looking them up, however one I did look up tho' over 20 had sired foals as late as '99. Are you interested strictly in sE?

Oops - sorry, Babette, didn't realize it was you posting first!

My double-Nabiel granddaughter (thus, double Sakr), KA Sultan Kasmira is by the Nabiel son, RA Jahim, whom Kehilan owns...don't know if he's still breeding.

Her foal, due any minute, will carry 5 lines to Sameh, two through Nabiel, one through the *Sultann daughter *Diyaa, one through *Ibn Hafiza, and the other through Makhsous.

Here's Kasey -

Hi Gari,

yes I´m more interested in the SE horses !

Whats about his progeny ..... is there really good one ? ...only in USA ?


Hello Nancy,

I like your Kasey very much....she has it both: type and comformation !

regards
Babette

Babette,

Here is a photo of my Sultan grand daughter - KA Sultan Raqwa. http://www.bearcreek-ranch.com/raqwa1024.html

Raqwa is also an Egyptian Prince Daughter. The foal that you see on this page is her last Marquis I filly owned by Kehilan Arabians named Marqued in Red. Since she is by Marquis I - the filly has Sameh on the sire side as well as the dam side through Sultan. I think this is a pretty cute filly! I have another one due any day and hope SHE is as cute!!! It is our first foal at our farm so we are so excited. This filly is SUPPOSEDLY for sale! Ha! How will I ever part with her! I wish Nancy and I lived next to each other so we could share our excitement in person rather than on the internet every day!!!!

Carol

Babette,

Sorry I'm posting twice in a row... but I've just thought of something else... I know you have seen my mare Prima Bella KA, but here is a photo of her mother http://www.bearcreek-ranch.com/bella1024.html who is a Nabiel daughter sired by Makhsous - so you have the double Sameh on the dam and sire side again. This mare is very different than my other mare - but the resulting offspring from either mare is fantastic either way (or at least I think so ). So I would have to say I'm a big fan of Sameh as well...

Carol

Hello Babette!
I also enjoy the Sameh lines.I have a Makhsous son that is out of a Nabiel daughter.I have attached a photo of him and will follow with a filly of mine that has a cross to Nabiel/Sakr through Ansata King Tut and also through Shamruk+.I hope to breed these two together someday for a 5 cross Sameh foal..Along with some friends and partners of mine,we have some more Sameh stock arriving by a stallion named Sahlih (Ibn Hafiza x *Sanaaa) who at 28 and still producing is a wonderful example of his treasured bloodlines.One of my parters has just aquired the impressive stallion,Ibn Shamruk (Shamruk+ x Moniet IL Mandil) and he will be a powerful addition to her group.We just had a foal out of a Makhsous/*Asadd daughter by Sahlih and we have high hopes for this little filly....
The addition of Sameh blood into my horses seems to incorporate better movement into my mares that needed help in that area.I have found that sometimes the Sameh horses may not be the prettiest(no,I am not saying they are ugly by any means,so please don't anyone get upset)but they certainly seem to have good shoulders and an excellent rear end and get great propulsion and work well from off their hocks.I think in the heavy Nazeer world,the addition of this outcross blood is needed and I like using it often!
Please excuse my photos.....

Well,my computer is smarter than I am....let's try a photo or two again....please forgive....

Here is EA Vasellas who has two crosses to Sameh.....

Here Is Vasellas again....sorry for her barn halter being on.....

Lisa!

I LOVE your stallion! Can you post more photos! He is almost exactly the same pedigree as my mare that I just purchased! Can't wait to see more of him!!!

Thanks,

Carol

I would heartily agree with Lisa on the benefits of some Sameh blood blended with heavy Nazeer breeding The filly below is also double Sameh with one line through his son El Moutawakil (Sameh X Bint Bukra) and the other through his daughter Salha (Sameh X Saklawia II) she also has plenty of Nazeer blood including three lines to Kaisoon amongst others.

Mike

Mike,I bet she is a little mover!I would love to see more of her-she is going to be a little beauty!I have also found that my horses with a lot of Sameh are very slow to mature.I have attached another photo of Zahin,the Makhsous/Nabiel/Ibn Hafiza colt taken as a three year old and he is still such a teenager.He is just starting to "dry out" and I don't expect him to finish growing and to fully mature until he is seven.Ok Carol,here ya go-yes,I mentioned him on your thread about your Prima Bella,but didn't think I should post a photo since the topic was for her.The photo isn't that great,but I am learning-he is pictured with his wonderful trainer and second momma,Jodi Tuft....

Dear Lisa,

You have lovely stallions and certainly ones that Babette might strongly consider! I've always felt that Sameh conferred incredible smoothness and an elegant quality to the mares his line was bred to. Are you finding that to be the case?

Babette have you thought about renting the AHA datasource for a month? It would really help you find those stallions/offspring of the *Asadd lines. There are over 73 sons of which a goodly number bred on so it will take quite a bit of research.

Best,
Gari

Aspecial Ali has IBN Hafiza in his damline through Eaglet. Strain: Saqlawi or Kuhaylan

Photo of him:



Then there's CCA Sheba, a Nabiel granddaughter. Strain: Kuhaylat-Ajuz (Rodan) Photo of her:

What beautiful horses! Though not of the Sameh sire line they certainly exhibit that legendary smooth, elegant quality he confers.

Hi Gari!Thank you so much for the compliment.We try to produce some nice horses and I think we are doing a pretty good job most of the time! Yes I have noticed that we are getting the smoothness and elegance you have pointed out.I didn't want to sound like I was being conceited,so I didn't mention it.I also have been getting great temperments and the foals are eager to learn and to please.I think the only thing I have had to watch out for is to try and not create too long of a back.I am getting great legs and necks with really nice shoulders too.The eyes have been quite large and that is something I really must have.I can't wait to cross back onto Halimaar/Maar Hala lines wish an added dash of Crusader/Salaa El Din and see what I get...Oh I am dreaming again!!I'm sorry!!
Just a fun photo for us to enjoy-both momma and daughter have Sameh lines....not the most flattering of phots,but one of my favorites!!!
Spiker,you have some real beauties yourself-I like!!!!Very much!!!!!!

Lisa,

The baby is adorable and Mom is lovely! What dam lines are you using?

Here is my non sE *Asadd daughter out of Ansata Shah Zaman granddaughter of predominately CMK breeding....baby picture.

Gari, Is this the older mare I saw? She was cutie as a youngster!

Lisa, lovely mare and foal! Lovely pedigrees! Thanks for the compliments!

OK, I can't stand it.. I have to show you my *Waheeb daughter who is out of *Bint Hindia (Eaglets mother). Her name is Bint Waheeb.

Hello Babette,

There is a Nabiel son in England,his dam is Norra who is a full sister to the Egyptian Prince (Morafic x
Bint Mona) if you would like more information on Naazim or his progeny or the other stallion we own called Imperial Kamilll who carries the blood of the great Serinity Sonbolah the dam of Imperial Al Kamar
a Sameh daughter.
Contact the farm at samsarastud@hotmail.com

Regards

Donald

Lisa!

Oh yes! He is just beautiful! Reminds me so much of Bella! It is just amazing! Where are you located in case I am ever near you I can come see him... I just love seeing almost a full brother to my Bella! Amazing! So you must have thought that was neat when you saw Bella's pedigree! Did you know that she existed before seeing that thread on her? How cool!

Carol

I loved to hear about Asadd as my filly is double Asadd. Does anyone have any other info on him? More pictures maybe?

Speaking of Asadd earlier and his son Ahadd, here is my double Asadd filly through Ahadd on the top and the mare Asadds Caresse (whose dam was by Naborr) . She is about 1 month of age in this photo.

Spiker,

Yup! You saw her at 20 but here she is at 10.

Ajd,

*Asadd was a hoot. Loved his girls...would go roaring to the breeding barn...but ALWAYS manageable-his vet at Chauncey's described him as pussy cat who sounded like a very big lion; and according to those that rode him, like Misdee Wilson...he was indescribably wonderful. Of course he had incredible rapport with Stanley White who adored him. When relaxed and asleep, *Asadd was not exquisitely beautiful but he was gifted with extraordinary charisma and you would be hard pressed standing next to any other to say he was less beautiful. He loved being visited in his stall especially if you brought him treats-then you promptly became his best friend and he would give you his undivided attention.. Out of his stall the world was his oyster. And tho' I didn't see it, when he won the National English Pleasure Championship the crowd reportedly gave him a standing ovation! He simply loved to show.

You can certainly see *Asadd in your filly. She tends to have a Seglawi look and perhaps that is the *Mirage coming through on her dam line which traces to Dajania, a Kuhailan.

Kimberly, your Bint Waheeb is lovely! How old is she now?


Here is Cae Bint Asadd, all grown up.

Gari

AJD -here is another picture of *Asadd. By the way Guest Duke mentioned Nabiel. I never had the pleasure of seeing him in the flesh, but he was a superior breeding stallion-saw many of his offspring and all were excellent. Moreover couple of ladies whom I greatly respected thought he was simply perfect...so anything of his would be worth a second look.

Wow Gari,

Thanks for the information about Asadd! That's the stuff you don't often find in books. Cae Bint Asadd is absolutely gorgeous! She's got the build I prefer in an Arab along with the large intelligent eyes and screaming nostrils!!! Love it!

So, tell me, what were you basing my filly's Seglawi look on, just out of curiousity? She is really a mish mash of lines. Her dams' sire is out of a Raffon son and a Khemosabi daughter. Her sire is 1/2 SE and Spanish (with two traces to Congo through his sons Tabal and Jacio).

I would love for you to critique her for me. I know it's probably hard to tell anything at this age, but I would love your opinion. This is definitely off topic. I could start a new thread, I guess. But, I'd love to hear your opinions on her. By the way, this is AJD---depending on the computer I'm on, my screen names are different. Sorry if I confused you.

Thanks Gari!

Gari!

Nice mare! Love her too! What a pretty face... She really is sweet!

Carol

Well , just to be easy SCONN/AJD:

Really appreciate the kind words.

In regard to your lovely Asadd's Caresse filly, she has quite a number of dam lines tracing to the best of Seglawi lines amongst which are: Mirage who was said to be Seglawi, Khemosabi who was a powerful Seglawi, Fadjur, another powerful Seglawi, Lubna, dam of Sultan-a Seglawi. Inother words tho' her tail female is Kuhailan Dajania (a line that always produces more glamourous sons than daughters) the strongest influence seems to be the best of the Seglawi families. She is one who will become steadily prettier as she grows older but won't reach her fullest potential 'til she is about 8.

Carol! Thank you for the compliments. She turned 22 years old on February 22 and she is my little girl-always will be.

Best,
Gari

Hello Gari,

no, I don´t thought over the AHA DAtasouce, because I´m in Germany...

I first want to find the progeny in europe.....and maybe the good stallions over here, if there are none, then I will search in the USA and the rest of the world.......

But thank you for this idea....maybe I will get much infrmation through that data source.....we will see.


Hello Duke,

I will contact Samsara Stud for information about Naazim and Imp. Kamilll, .....but did you have a picture for us in advance ?


...and Thank you Suellen, Nancy and all the others for posting this great pictures !!!!!

Donald,

You own Imperial Kamilll? I love that horse - he is absolutely gorgeous and WHAT a MOVER!!! Babette, if you can make it to England, you should see Kamilll.

Donald, do you have a web site? And do you offer frozen semen on Kamilll?

Nancy

Nancy,

Thank you for your kind comments on Kamilll.Yes he is a full part of our family and is a wonderful
horse to have around .Kind and gentle has never put his ears back in anger and our children who
happen to be 4 and 5 hand feed him carrots a true gentleman.

We plan on collecting him and Naazim at the end of this breeding season so there will be frozen
semen for export. Samsara 's website should be up and running later this summer please stay in
contact or better still come see Kamilll's babies they have that same Kamilll atitude.

Donald

Gari,

Thank you for all of your wonderful comments. You really know your arabs. The Seglawi strain is what I seem to prefer, especially in a female. I still have a long way to go before I understand all of the complexities that come with the arabian strains. It is so fascinating though. It seems like I am forever researching and soaking up as much as my head can handle.

Thank you very much! I look forward to using your knowlegde again!

Hi Nancy and donald,

Yes, England is not so far away *smile* .....that in my area !!!

So I will have al look at Kamilll ´s fotos.......

Could you post a few here...just for all the others !?

thank you

Howdy,

There's a great Imperial Imdal son that was hanging around the Northeastern US, by the name of Sondal. Imdal is double Sameh, since his mare line was the great *Romanaa II (Sameh x Nazeera) and he also carries a cross through *Ansata Bint Misr (Sameh x *Ansata Bint Bukra).

Sondal is out of Imperial Sonboleen (Moniet El Nafis x *Serenity Sonbolah). One is not going to find a better 'grey' stallion of this breeding that traces to Sameh through three of his his best daughters: *Serenity Sonbolah, *Romanaa II and *Ansata Bint Misr. All world class mares and producers and all out of dynastic Nazeer mares.

If I remeber right, the lady who owns the stallion lives in the south and I believe he is her only horse? I just know he has never covered a mare, which is a shame as he is ten years old this year.

Jim

*Sultann for Liz

As an interesting aside, Sameh's grandsire Ibn Fayda (Ibn Rabdan X Fayda) was exported to France and though none of his French born sons bred on, he appears in the pedigree's of quite a few successfull French racehorses through his daughters Sometimes bloodlines crop up in quite unexpected places

Mike

Click to view attachmentgreetings to all and what beutiful photos!

I have a five year old stallion Galaxy Aanuket WZ, who is triple Sultan and triple Ibn Hafiza. He is by Galaxy 1 (RA Jahim x Nabiel) x Etnasha x Sultan x Samah and is out of Treff-Haven Nageed (Nagsous x Maksous) Naheed x Nagliah x Ibn Hafiza. He is currently being trained under saddle and hopefully will compete in Sport Horse classes this fall. His father Galaxy I is standing at Spectrum Arabians in Michigan and is doing very well in Sport Horse and halter classes. I love the Sameh line!. They are intelligent, and sweet natured and as a bonus they are pretty and athletic!


Mark and Marie
Windward Farm

here is a photo of him (if I can get it to upload) as a 3 year old. I should have some current photos to post in a week or so.

Hello RFarm Arabian,
Tell us more about Sondal. Is he gelded? If not we would love more info! Thanks Lisa & Family

Sameh plays a big role in the Treff-Haven breeding program with many carrying the Sameh lines here. One of those with the largest amounts is the Makhsous son Nagsous (grandsire to Galaxy Aanuket WZ above). Nagsous is out of Nagliah (*Ibn Hafiza (Sameh) X *Nabilahh) keeping his percentage the same as his sire at 25%. Also Faaraah (Al Fattah X Foula), a double Sameh greatgranddaughter through *Ibn Hafiza and Sultann's full sister *Safaa. Nagsous and Faaraah were both bred by Gleannloch Farms.


Nagsous

Some others with fairly close up Sameh blood are Naheed (Nagsous' half sister out of Nagliah and by *Zaghloul) also bred by Gleannloch and our Sahlih (*Ibn Hafiza (Sameh) X *Sanaaa) offspring.

Crossing with Shaikh Al Badi/*Morafic lines has produced particularly exciting results and the less common Gassir line through *Zaghloul, Sabeel, and *Lebleba, is making contributions we're extremely pleased with as well.

Hello All!

Hi Treffhaven - your information is good confirmation on a pairing I have planned. I will be breeding one of my SE stallions - who's sire carried 62.5% Morafic blood and is out of my Ibn Safinaz mare - to Melody Rose wz this spring (She is a Treffhaven Nageed daughter by Sultanns Legacy (double Nabiel)). She will be trained undersaddle also this spring.

We also have a couple mares with Ibn Hafiza through Shamruk. Brooks Debut has four lines to Ibn Hafiza. My new black SE mare, Cally Rose, is a Shamruk daughter. And, my bay SE mare EK Egyptian Cameo, are examples.

Sincerely,
Sheila Bautz

Here is a picture of Cameo, as an example...

Here is my triple Sameh colt... His dam is a Makhsous daughter out of a Nabiel daughter, and his sire is a Makhsous son...

He is 10 months old and is for sale, however if he is not sold - I will use him myself. He trots like heck... and he is very handsome...

If anyone might be interested - please email me at info@bearcreek-ranch.com

Here are some photos:

Nabiel had a full brother Sugaa... He was a nice boy... Two of his daughters both out of Mariam Albadeia ended up being donated to a YMCA Camp as riding horses.... The Equestrian Director emailed a few potentially interested parties as the camp wanted to sell them. They couldn't get an offer of $500.00 for them in Quarter Horse Countryand she didn't want to take them to auction, unfortunately they were bought by one of the persons she emailed before I could get in contact with her to make an appointment to see them... Tracy

Dear Mike

I have Ibn Fayda (1925) recorded as having been sold to Sidi Tabet, tunesia in 1929. I had no actual recording on him and have the information from C Pearson's, work, Page 27. Do you have more on him?

thanks and have a great day
hansi
Serenity Arabian Farms

Hello Sheila,
The cross you mention for Melody Rose sounds like it could be most interesting and we'd be eager to know the results when the time comes. We also like the *Ibn Safinaz line which gives us something else to watch for combined with these. So good to hear of the saddle training coming up for Melody Rose and we always enjoy seeing the pictures of your horses here. Got to view those new foals on the 2006 Babies thread and all three of them look great - what a little athlete you have in that bay.

Hi! I will for sure keep you up-dated on Melody's progress!

I thought you may like to see some photos of my young SE stallion who I will be breeding to Melody - Matrixxx by El Matrabb (Al Metrabbi x Ana Gayah) out of Ramza Moniet (Ibn Safinaz x Egyptian Melody). He will be four shortly and I took these pictures today. He is very English type of horse and will also be started undersaddle (same schedule as Melody this spring). I am also planning on training him myself for halter as I don't like sending our horses out, and I am quite protective that way. So, wish me luck as he will be my first halter horse I train! These photos show him only bathed and bridle path clipped... We will be show clipping him in a week or two...

He produced his first SE colt Wednesday, and it appears that his genetics are quite prepotent in this foal...

With Friendship,
Sheila Bautz

Also, thank you for the compliment on the foals!

The Ibn Safinaz lines, we have found, are excellent movers under saddle. Very light on their feet and with their front movements, and "snakey" undersaddle. I have found they tend to have an especially great shoulder - also, there is a good amount of Alaa El Din influence combined in some. They truly are effortless, like riding air and are demonstrating capabilities for competitive reining horses. This is consistent in Ramza, Sheikh and Rashah, and we will see in Matrixxx - though I suspect he will move more 'powerfully' in the sense that you will know you have horse flesh beneath you! He also displays "light" front end movement - as you know, a necessity for both english and western riding.

I also love and appreciate the powerful movers, the types of horses that you can feel their power beneath you. I have found the few horses with Morafic lines here move like this, and I suspect that is also how Melody will move undersaddle judging from her performances in the pasture. I can't wait to find out!

Sincerely,
Sheila Bautz

Yes we enjoyed seeing the stallion very much as well as the added infomation regarding the type of movement you've experienced under saddle from the *Ibn Safinaz and *Morafic lines. We believe too you might find Melody Rose the powerful type from what you describe and this is how our Nagsous (Makhsous X Nagliah) offspring move under saddle in most instanses, a feeling of fluid harnessed power.

Best wishes with your first halter training and understand your feelings against sending them out. We have found that taken slowly and with consistency the horses appear to find halter training as much to their liking as any other time spent with them.

Will be watching for photos of Matrixxx's new foal and had a lovely new SE colt of our own born last weekend to Bint Lebleba (*GAF Mosaad X *Lebleba) our Ibn Hamama/ Gassir bred mare by (TH) Emir (*GAF Hosam X Naheed) who goes to Sameh.