I have heard that there are different families in the KUHAYLAN strains, like ajuz, haifi, krush, etc...
Which one are still important in SE breeding?
Could you tell me the most important differences between these different families?
Thanks

Clo

I would love to know as well. Does anyone have any info?

Hello,

Thanks Sconn to support my question!
Please help the newbies!!!

I love the Kuhaylan horses, i would like to know more about them!
Dear Hansi and Co, all arabians "masters", just take few minutes and attention to my demand,

Thanks a lot

have a nice day

Clo.

ok - here's a start...

Al Khamsa II

AK Arab, Anscestral Element, Source, Strain, Sex, page ref

Reshan 38, , Davenport, Kuhaylah Haifiyah, M, 81

Safra I, WL, Weil, Kuhaylah Ibn Jubaysi, M, 97

Aroussa, MNL, Egypt I, Kuhaylah Jallabiyah , M, 105
Jathimah, AP, Egypt I, Kuhaylah Jallabiyah, M, 67
Miskah, AP, Egypt I, Kuhaylah Jallabiyah, M, 75

Jellabiet Feysul, AP, Egypt I, Kuhaylah Jallabiyah Ajman, M, 67

El Kahila, INS, Inshass, Kuhaylah Kurush, M, 57
Werdi 41, , Davenport, Kuhaylah Kurush, M, 89

Freiha Al Hamra, APK, Egypt I, Kuhaylah Mimriyah, M, 59
Nafaa El Saghria, APK, , Kuhaylah Mimriyah, M, 112

Kesia II, GSB, Borden , Kuhaylah Nauwaqiyah, M, 69
Kesia I, GSB, Borden, Kuhaylah Nauwaqiyah Dabbi Ibn Nauway Qumusa Saba, M, 69

Munifeh 4232, , , Kuhaylah Sa’ud, M, 76
Nafaa, INS, Inshass, Kuhaylah Sa’ud, M, 78

Donia / Dunya, APK, Egypt I, Kuhaylah-Minriyah, M, 55

Dwarka, GSB, Dwarka, Kuhaylan, S, 55
Dzelaby, WL, Weil, Kuhaylan, S, 95

Koheilan El Mossen, EGY, Egypt I, Kuhaylan Abu Muhsin, S, 70

Muson 27, DAV, Davenport, Kuhaylan Abu Muhsin (Umm Muhsinnah), S, 77

Mashaan, RAS, Egypt II, Kuhaylan Ajuz, S, 74
Sunshine 943, SA”, Sa’ud, Kuhaylan Ajuz, S, 85

Gomusa 31, DAV, Davenport, Kuhaylan Haifi / Mu’niqi Sbaili, S, 61

Czebessie II, WL, Weil, Kuhaylan Ibn Jubaysi for Czebessie II, S, 95

Fadl 396, , , Kuhaylan Jallabi , S, 107
Feysul , APS, , Kuhaylan Jallabi, S, 108
Ibn Yashmak, BLT, , Kuhaylan Jallabi, S, 109
Jasir , MNL, , Kuhaylan Jallabi , S, 110
Merzuk, APS, , Kuhaylan Jallabi, S, 111
Nasr 889, , , Kuhaylan Jallabi, S, 112
Waziri Al Auwal, AP, Egypt I, Kuhaylan Jallabi, S, 89
Zarife 885, , , Kuhaylan Jallabi, S, 114

Yataghan, GSB, Huntington, Kuhaylan Jurayban, S, 90

Koreischan, BAB, Babalona, Kuhaylan Kurush, M, 96

Hadban , MNL, , Kuhaylan Mimri, S, 109
Mabrouk Manial, MNL, , Kuhaylan Mimri, S, 110
Ibn Samhan, RAS, , Kuhaylan Mimrih , S, 109

Rabdan El Azrak, APK, , Kuhaylan Rabda, Kuhaylan Ajuz, S, 112

Houran 26, DAV, Davenport, Kuhaylan Tamri, S, 66

Munirah 1962-3, , Sa’ud, Kuhaylat ‘Afayr, M, 76

Haydee, AYZ, Ayerza, Kuhaylat Ajuz, M, 65
Nejdme 1, HAM, Hamidie, Kuhaylat Ajuz, M, 78
Nufoud 854, , Sa’ud, Kuhaylat Ajuz, M, 78
Gailan, AYZ, Ayerza, Kuhaylat Ajuz, S, 59

Dajania, BLT, Blunt, Kuhaylat Ajuz (Dajan), M, 54

Harka, AP, Egypt I, Kuhaylat Ajuz (Harqan), M, 65

Geyran I, WL, Weil, Kuhaylat Ajuz (Iraq), M, 96

Rodania, BLT, Blunt, Kuhaylat Ajuz (Rodan), M, 82

Aziza 888, , Brown, Kuhaylat Jallabiyah, M, 105

HH Mohamed Ali’s Hamida 890, , , Kuhaylat Jallabiyah , M, 109

Kasida, APS, , Kuhaylat Jallabiyah, M, 110
Maaroufa 895, , , Kuhaylat Jallabiyah , M, 110
Makbula, APS, , Kuhaylat Jallabiyah, M, 111
Roda 886, , , Kuhaylat Jallabiyah, M, 113
Zahra, MNL, , Kuhaylat Jallabiyah, M, 114

(Remember, not all AK horses are sE)

Abbas Pasha Manuscript (Gulsun / Forbis):

Harka
Mid 1800s
Imported for Abbas Pasha
Sire DB
Dam A Kuhaylah-Ajuz (Harqan)
Dam of Harkan
Ancestress of:
Mesoud, Ibn Mansour, Kateefa, Yaquota, Yashmak, Nazeer, Samha, Shams (RAS), Mogha, Rashida, *Izees, Abeer, *Bint Nefisa, Zebeda, Ibn Maisa, *Bint Maisa El Saghira, Bint Helwa, *Salomy, bint Kamla, Ezz El Arab, Aswan, *Sakr, *Ramses Fayek, Joramir, Naseem, *Count Dorsaz, *Aramus, Bay El Bey, Abu Farway, Rabiyat, *Sanacht, *Dornaba, *Salon, Ga’zi, *Hal Gazal, Jora Honey Ku, *Elkana, Amber Satin, WN Antiqua, Priboj, *Menes, *Naborr, Azraff, Sotep, Negatraz, *Penitent, *GG Samir, *Monogramma, Emperator, etc.

Jellabiet Feysul/Wazira/Waziria
Imported c1846 to Egypt for Abbas Pasha through Feysul Ibn Turki As-Saud, who had her from Mohammed Ibn Khalifa of Bahrain.
Sire: DB
Dam: a Kuhaylah Jallabiyah
Dam of Bint Jellabiet Feysul
Ancestress of:
Negma, Gulastra, *Talal, Antar, *Fadl, Futna, Kateefa, Bukra, *Nasr, *Maaroufa, El Sareei, Om El Saad, *Roda, Julyan, Fol Gamil, Hamdan, Bint Folla, BintYosreia, Yasmeena, Hafiza, Ameena (1951), Mahfouza, *Aziza, *Soufian, *Ibn Moniet El Nefous, Ameer, Radia, Joramir, Abu Farwa, Dancing Flame, Gai Parada, Ben Rabba, Al Marah Radames, Ga’zi, VP Kahlua, Amerigo, Good Thunder, Tornado, Priboj, *AN Malik, Lamolin, Sotep, *Penitent, etc.


Manual of Straight Egyptian Horses (PS / Murdoch)

US Totals by strain and female line currently represented in Straight Egyptian Breeding per AHRA Data as of 12/31/2000

Kuhaylan Ajuz (Rodan) (Rodania) – Mares : 1698, Stallions : 967

Kuhaylan Jellabi (Jellabiet Feysul) – Mares : 981, Stallions : 597

Kuhaylan Kurush (El Kahila) – Mares : 47, Stallions : 35

Kuhaylan (Nafaa) – Mares : 39, Stallions : 20

Kuhaylan Halawi (Kahelia Halawia) – Mares : 10, Stallions : 7

Please note - updates by Bowling have not been included in these - publications were published before the findings were published.

And again - consider these horses are reflecting the NAMED strain and may not necessarily LOOK like that strain!

WOW!

Good morning deqr Clo

I just got back from an exhausting 2700 mile trip trying to catch up a bit.

the Kuhaylan Mimri strain is extinct in the Se's.
Basically what is utilized here are the Kuhaylan Rodanias,Kuhaylan Jelabias and the Kuhaylan Kurush. In the Asils, other than the Se's
other Kuhaylan strains are utilized, as Diana pointed out numerous examples.

We here at Serenity had overwhelming success with the Kuhaylan Rodanias, being so extremely athletic and so arabian. Crossed with the Hadban Enzahis and a bit of Saqlawi, type, elegance and extreme movement has been maintained.

The Kuhaylan Rodanias I have seen, and or bred, have beautiful substance, excellent conformation, especially in the leg department,
and some are even quite elegant. Their strides are enormous.

I think one needs to look at the horse and decide to either improve on substance or refinement or whatever. One cant just only go by a strain.

Have a nice day
Hansi
Serenity Arabian Farms

The Kuhaylan Rodanias I have seen, and or bred, have beautiful substance, excellent conformation, especially in the leg department,
and some are even quite elegant. Their strides are enormous.
I would definantly agree with this, and the comment that you can't breed by strain only, of course unless there is a strain that is darn near extinct and need preserving....

The above mare is pure in the strain Kuhaylan Dajani. However she is not a SE.

have a similar situation to Amanda,

Skye is a Krush but not SE

" you can't breed by strain only, of course unless there is a strain that is darn near extinct and need preserving...."

There is also the Kuhaylan with NO substrain (and darn near extinct. They meet the criterion of movement, I sure like what I see on both sides of the family, and they are SE.



I don't believe there are too many Kuhaylan of any substrain that meet the Raswan definition to a "T" but I am trying to increase the blood in my horses and it will be interesting to see the results. I have a pretty good idea what that result will be because Hansi started by importing Serenity Bint Nadia, the foundation mare to my program, and everyone knows, if it is Serenity - it means performance!

S

Hello everybody!

Thanks for your answers.
I would like to know if there is someone who have kuhaylan krush horses in their breeding program?
Maybe there are not a lot, I don't know?

If someone has pics of this substrains, thanks to share.

have a nice day.

Gosh Samantha, this is a georgeous foal. who is it?
Looks to me like a winner.

Yes the SerenityBinNadia line has produced excellently.
She only had 3 daughters and one son. The son Serenity Osiris was a halter champion, and absolutely fabulous under saddle. I jumped with him 5feet combinations, he was extremely fast, stood 15,3 hands tall with an immense girth. His sister Serenity Kamila was already a halter champion at age 6 months. Of course, we continued the Hadban Enzahi line up todate through our Sf BintOsiris,who's sire S.Osiris is,and this Kuhaylan/Hadban combination produced tall, elegant,type and extremely athletic individuals, many became champions, race winners, endurance winners, halter champions etc. I was told by D Barbary,Egypt, that SerenitBintNadia won jumping events in Egypt, and apparently her son enherited this ability.

I am so glad you also continue preserving this line.

Have a nice day
Hansi

If you are looking for some Kuhaylah Kurush blood they try some of the Safinaz bloodlines as in Anas by Alaa El Din in Egypt or his son *Shemees in Florida and Ibn Safinaz by Seef located at Imperial in Maryland.

Judi

Diane
Appriciate your research concerning Kuhaylan horses.

Saw where Prince Fa Moniet traces in tail female to this line. *Maaroufa was the imported mare that influences his linage.

So many good horses decend from her. Fadl is a full brother to her. So it's evident that this influence is very important to Se breeding today.

Thanks so much for the information. So many horses have decended from good Kuhaylan sources. It's great to see the horses get their due credit.

Care must be taken to breed a horse not just by the look or pedigree, but to refer to all aspects before making a breeding selection.
It's great to see good rsults from a lot of though into the proper breeding decision.
Thanks,
Dale W

Kuhaylan mean in Arabic languge the black skin aruond the eyes .

Kuhaylan Strain is the famous Strain in Arabian horses and many Strains now retern to this Strain

the best of Kuhaylan for Arab is Kuhaylan el momreh at the next of them Kuhaylan Thameri at the next of them Kuhaylan Um Arkob at the next of them Kuhaylan Um Janoub .( these from book about history and pdgrees of Arabian horse these book name is Osoal Al Kahil Al Arabiah )

In Saudi Arabia I not seen the the first and scond these strains but looked Kuhaylan Um Arkob and Um Janoub .