Hallo,
ich suche ein Ganzkörperbild von Psytadel. In den Werbeanzeigen kann man leider immer nur den Kopf sehen!
Liebe Grüße
Bernd

Das wird seinen Grund haben. Ich habe ihn mehrfach gesehen, für mich hat er nur einen schönen Kopf. Sein Gebäude und vor allem die Beine haben deutliche Schwächen. Diese und sein Mangel an Bewegung vererbt er leider oft, zumindest war die Nachzucht von ihm die letztes Jahr auf Schauen zu sehen war meist mit diesen Schwächen ausgestattet, wurden meistens auch entsprechend bewertet.

Das dies einer Schaukarriere trotzdem nicht unbedingt schadet, beweißt sein bekanntester Sohn Al Amin, extremer Kopf auf gutem Hals - aber der Rest???? Psytadel und Al Amin werden perfekt vermarktet, wenn interessiert da schon die Qualität. Das ist meine persönliche Meinung dazu, aber schau ihn an und mach dir selbst ein Bild.

Nicht's für ungut
Ellen

Ich habe mir vor kurzem einige Nachkommen von Psytadel auf dem Osterhof-Gestüt angeschaut; der charakter war ausschließlich bei allen Fohlen liebenswert und der Körperbau/die Beine mehr als durchschnittlich!

I have a few pictures of Psytadel, but they are not very good

you can see them at this site araberfreak.webbyen.dk

Carmen, wie ist denn der Satz gemeint, über- oder unterdurchschnittlich? Könnte irgendwie beides heißen

Wenn ich mir aber die Fotos auf C Ma's Webseite anschaue, dann frag ich mich ernsthaft was ihr an Psytadels Körperbau auszusetzen habt, ich finde ihn hervorragend! Schön kurzer Rücken, leicht gerundete Kruppe, lange Hüfte (nicht so eine mickrige Kruppe/Hinterhand) wie manch andere hochgepriesene Hengste.

Carmen, hier war der Charakter des Hengstes und nicht der seiner Fohlen gemeint. Ich habe Psytadel öfter gesehen und wurde immer vor seiner Hinterhand und seinen Zähnen gewarnt. Ob das die amerikanschen Trainingsmethoden verursacht haben, ich weiß es nicht, andererseits müssten dann sehr viele Hengste durchgeknallt sein. (EDITED) Körper, Beine und Bewegung sind für mich nicht erstrebenswert und ich habe Fohlen aus sehr soliden und korrekten Stuten von ihm gesehen wobei die Fohlen leider nicht die Qualitäten der Mütter geerbt haben. Für mich ist der Zuchteinsatz von Psytadel indiskutabel, aber Schauzüchter werden ihn sicher gerne nutzen. Verständlich, in der heutigen und kurzlebigen Zeit wo der schnelle Erfolg mehr als züchterische Verantwortung zählt.

Hallo Bernd,

anbei ein Ganzkörperbild von Psytadel
liebe Grüße
Tammy

Ellen,

Psytadel is not at all that bad
I' ve seem him a few times now and I still like him. Sure he has some faults, but wich stallion is absolute flawless ?? I haven't seen one yet. Besides that his foals are of overall good quality (some mares fit him bether than others but still...). And the number of breedings sold must tell something too, or do you really think ca. 130 people buy a breeding for 2000 euro just because of a nice head. You think all those people are shortsighted "showbreeders"; quit an insult to some good breeders!!!!!

Last year he was presented at the All Nations cup and quitely walked between the spectators how gathered at Frank Spönle's stand. Nobody got kicked or bitten !!

But maybe we'll see how is right this year because it was said that Psytadel himself will be shown this year in Aachen.

you're right roger,

and i think people who make such insinuations are jalous they don't own such a great stallion themselves.

that's just mine opinion.

Die Präsentation von Psytadel letztes Jahr beim ANC auf diesem engen Raum war absolut gefährlich und jeder der diesen Hengst kennt verschwand sicherheitshalber hinter den Strohballen. Dieser Hengst und sein Sohn ist gerade Mode und wird von mehreren Seiten sehr gut vermarktet, oder erklärt mir mal, warum jemand 2000 Euro Decktaxe für seinen Sohn El Amin zahlt obwohl dieser noch keine Nachzucht hat. Natürlich gibt es keinen fehlerfreien Hengst, aber dieser hat auch mir ein paar grobe Fehler zuviel.

can someone translate the german version into english please?

So far I haven't picked up anything about Psytadels bad temperament or of his foals. The times I have seen him, he didn't show any bad temperament but that could be a wrong impression.

Regarding his conformation, dark horses always give a better overall impression than lighter horses and he doesn't look like a regularly ridden horse (if ridden at all) so if really conditioned he will definitively be a different horse (better or worse) than the well fed horse that is shown now.

At the Belgian stallion licening he only got 2nd premium (comparable to the gold ribbon in Germany) the first time and last year he barely made 1st premium (gold ribben) with rather low points for legs but I didn't take a close look to his legs so don't have an opinion about those.

I have seen quite a few of his offspring which weren't bad (although definitvely not really the type of Arabian I like) but he has bred many very good mares and I assume as many low quality or unfitting mares so unless you know the dam it is difficult to judge if the foals were an improvement. You have to keep in mind that most "breeders" still don't know anything about breeding horses and just based themselve upon fashions and showresults to select a mare ...

His son El Amin scored much better than the sire at the stallion licensing but personally I don't like him too much.

The choice of his owner to lease Farres seems however an excellent choice.

Correction 2nd premium = silver ribbon German system

Hallo Tammy,
vielen Dank für das Bild! Ich finde seinen Körperbau gar nicht so schlecht, wie mancheiner behauptet! Hat jemand vielleicht noch Bilder von Psytadel-Nachkommen? Welche Anpaarungen mit Psytadel haben sich besonders bewährt?

Hi Bernd,

anbei ein Jährlings-Stutfohlen von Psytadel aus einer Vympel-Tochter (da habe ich leider kein Ganzkörperfoto, aber nicht aus angeblich o.g. Gründen
liebe grüsse
Tammy

und noch ein Jährlingshengst ( war Fohlenchampion 2003 in Wels ) von Psytadel aus einer Narew-Tochter
liebe grüße
Tammy

sorry, ich kriege das richtige foto nicht gebrowst...
Tammy

Spectator said.


I can't stand this behavior any longer. Why are all others just "so-called breeders" and YOU spectator, you are a true breeder?
This is so silly. Tell me haow many champions you bred, how many of your horses won at the racetrack and how many of your self-bred horses with their good legs and conformation won endurance ridings.

If you don't have the guts to stand with your name for what you are writing than your comments are worth noting at all.

Ulf Hölder
Germany

Das Fohlen ist wunderschön! Vielen Dank Tammy! Der Besitzer ist bestimmt sehr stolz auf dieses Traumfohlen...

@ Ulf: Thank you and Amen!

Dachte ich's mir doch, eine "heilige Kuh" zu schlachten bzw. kritisieren und das ist Psytadel zur Zeit, wird für einen Aufstand sorgen. Trotzdem wird es doch noch erlaubt sein etwas kritischer hinzusehen, sich eine eigene Meinung zu bilden und nicht, wie viele andere, der Mode hinterher zu laufen und im nächsten Jahr eines von 130 Psytadel-Nachkommen zu besitzen, wie einfallsreich und exklusiv. Aber wenn das vieler Traum ist - bitte schön, nur zu.

Dear friends,

Unfortunately I don't read german but I have to say that alot of things that have been sad about Psytadel are not true. I know Psytadel since he was a foal (2/3 months old) and I have the great pleasure to stand him on my training facility in Italy for 8 months. I can guarantee to you that he's a very kind stallion with great caracter. He's a fun horse to work with and he puts alot of himself into the work. He never ever have been mean or aggressive to any one at the training facility. The other way every one enjoy to be around him.
About his foal, the ones I have the pleasure to see (around 7 or 8) they are extreme typy, with great necks, good bodys, correct legs and lot of motion. I know that this number don't means a lot compared with the number of mares he had bred in the last fill years but give me a good idea about how he can breed in special because I have seen the mothers of his babies.
Psytadel bred to the right mare will produce a better baby them him self and the mare.
Please people don't look to the horse to see his faults but to see his/her QUALITY before anything else.
I wish you a great day.
All the best,

Fernando Poli

Ulf, I made this comment in favour of Psytadel !!! I'm not saying that everyone who has bred to Psytadel doesn't know anything about breeding, what I mean is that he has (like every other stallion who is in fashion) has also been bred to mares that were not suitable. So if you don't know the mare you can't judge the stallions positive or negative impact with the offspring.

Was soll diese verbissene Schlechtmacherei. Das hört sich doch schwer nach Neid an. Vielleicht ist der eigene Hengst nicht so gefragt wie Pystadel. Es ist ganz leicht den Erfolg anderer auf gute Vermarktung zu schieben aber es werden sehr viele Hengste gut vermarktet aber nur sehr wenige bekommen dann wirklich viele Stuten. Wenn der Hengst es den Züchtern nicht wert ist dann hilft die beste und teuerste Vermarktung nichts. Wem der Hengst nicht gefällt soll halt mit was anderes decken.

We bred our Muscat grdght Amoraya to Psytadel twice, both foals Gradadell & Halinaah where National reserve junior champion in Belgium & UK respectiv. Amoraya had 8 foals before and no babie had 10% of the quality the Psytadels have. Psytadel is making a big impact in Europe but some people are jealous and start rumours. El Amin foals are also hitting the grounds now, I think more people will be cazy jealous

Here is a pic of Psympatic by Psytadel out of a Padrons Kadar daughter.

Does anyone have any photos of El Amin foals yet?

I would be very interested to see as I have a mare booked to him this year.

My partner and I met both Pstadel and El Amin at the Claverdon El Amin evening in January and these were two of the sweetest stallions I have ever come into contact with. My partner went into El Amin's stable and the stallion was an absolute gentleman. Neither of these stallions tried to bite, or were agressive and this is one of the reasons we are using El Amin.

having worked with Psytadel and many of his offspring i can say that Psytadel temprement is 'good as gold' he stands at home next door to his son el amin with only bars seperating them. he is a very sweet horse and when he was stabled at our place for our open evening, people where coming up to him pating and scratching with his head over the door, he justed loved it.

people need to check there facts, before comments are thrown around.

For his offspring i dont think i have ever worked with a sweeter horse than El Amin he loves people and other horses. That goes for most of Psytadel progeny.

Chris Lowe

Chris have you received my email?

Well, I have to admit not being a fan of El Amin's type (but beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and opinions on this often and most rightfully defer), but the times I have seen this colt, I can state that he never showed any bad behaviour. Quite on the contrary.

Enclosed is a picture of El Amin in the collecting ring, amidst other stallions, during the last held Belgian stallion licensing.

Doesn't look bad to me
I would say he has a rather good conformation and the foalpics that are posted are just beautyful! wish my foal will look just as nice.

people should check first the rumours that they are talking around
psytadel is a sweet stallion who loves human attention
knowing and having worked with pystadel i can assure you this that all his foals i know are very sweet
when tom and me travelled to oberstdorf we putted psytadel next to el amin in the truck and for the whole trip they were so sweet for each other,
so rumours are not always right,check out the thruth

frederik

That's all rumours? Nothing is true? Then please tell me why some serios people who had Psytadel in their stable told me completely different stories. Maybe Psytadel has a twin brother. In my mind, Psytadel have an extreme type head, good neck and body, but bad legs and movement. He do not leave bequeath, luckily, his character. If you find the right mare you can get a extreme good foal, like other stallions, too.

Well Guest,

If some people tell you one story and you hear a totally different one from several other people, it might be worth checking if this problem isn't one of the people handling the animal. I do not know who told you all this negativ stuff, but it is becoming pretty clear to me, it isn't totally the problem of the horse. It can not be if so many different stories pop up. Time to look at the handlers and not the horse is my suggestion. <_<

I have seen Psytadel several times and have seen his son El Amin as well. Both acted very sweetly, were appreciating all the attention they got. I am not going to comment on their conformation nor type. Rumours are very easily spread, certainly when they become vicious and so untrue. Think before becoming part of such circuits. Ofcourse, opinions are welcome, but why start slamming a horse just because it is not your cup of tea.

Best regards,
Stephanie

Stephanie, I agree with you, but the people who told me this stories are serios and longtime successful breeders, they use Psytadel himself and I don't believe that they tell lies. I promise you, if I tell the people names everbody will believe these "rumours", but that's not my decision. I have seen Psytadel also several times and he wasn't really nice to visitors, I was very carefully in his box. Each horses have plus- and minus points and we should accept both.

As I said dear Guest,

A horse, as a human being by the way, will react towards a situation. This reaction can persist in the animals behaviour when some actions or some people remind this horse of that situation. I've been there, I've experienced alot of those 'bad behaviour' horses. As we can all hear and witness that Psytadel has changed into a sweet animal, it just makes me wonder what changed in his life that changed his behaviour. Therefor, look at the people around the horse and its situation at the time, then judge whether the horse is at fault or not.

My experience and therefor my opinion. No hard feelings and I am NOT accusing anybody nor criticising anybody.

Best regards,
Stephanie

hey guest! what is your problem? with the person who had psytadel in their stable and used him you mean Stokle! do want to make trouble between Swatam & osterhof? Stop than using "the horse PSytadel" in your fight against one of these people!

Hi Anna,

So my suspision is confirmed here. But I remember seeing Psytadel when he still was at Osterhof Stud and he wasn't mean then either. He was a nice boy and well taken care of. Now I really wonder what Guest is trying to suggest here.

I also wonder why Guest isn't really showing who he/she is. If you can confirm the story you're spreading, why hide. hmmmm

Stephanie

I'm definitively not a supporter of Psytadel or El Amin but "bad temperament" gossip should never hold back somebody who's interested in breeding a stallion. I personally can not imagine somebody selecting a stallion for breeding without having seen him up close. If in doubt ask him to be cleaned or saddled up, if they have a really bad temperament it should already show there.

Guest could however be right but when a horse shows a bad temperament on a certain occassion does not necessarily mean the horse has a bad temperament. I often have a very bad mood in the morning but it doesn't necessarily mean I'm (all) bad

Something nobody here seems to talk aobut, is that horses temperaments are influenced by the way they are kept and how they endure changes of environment. Usually it takes 3 to 4 months for a horse to be really happy again when they are relocated. With horses that are travelling a lot, they are less influenced by stress but they still have the need to return to a familiar home after "holiday's". I have seen Psytadel (unfortunately only in his box) and El Amin on a number of occassions and never noticed any bad behaviour but I can very well imagine that a horse that has travelled so often as Psytadel got fed up with it that he seriously got pissed off with everything and everybody (I know I would be ) on a certain moment.

I saw both these stallions at chris lowes opening evening at clavedon stud and we were aload to go to the stable area and see all the stallions that was on show and all i can say is both father and son showed no signs of any bad temper, they loved the fuss. It was a very windy evening and even in the arena there with the handler both horses was so well behaved and the handlers were great to. There was a lovely photo taken of father and son together and not once did they strike out or show any bad temper.

It sounds to me that someone on here is just out to cause trouble. PUT YOU NAME WERE YOUR MOUTH IS. DONT HIDE BEHIND GUEST.

Rgds
Dee

p.s Thankyou to chris lowe and joanne lowe for a very nice evening dispite the weather. and a big hug to sayawan.

Hallo,
kann mir jemand sagen, mit welchem Ergebnis Psytadel bei der Hengsteintragung bewertet wurde?

Hello,

Psytadel was awarded last year at the stallion lisence in Belgium with a 1st premium! (same as gold).
This year he has to go back to the lisence!

Hope this helps

Tom

Psytadel indeed received a first premium at the stallion licensing in 2002 with 82,4 points, placing him 2nd (ex equo) on 64 entries

Type 92 90 90
H & N 90 90 92
B & T 85 82 85
Legs 70 60 70
Move 80 75 85

Vielen Dank Tom! Hast du vielleicht noch ein Bild von Psytadel bei der Hengsteintragung?

Hi

I dont have any pictures of him at the lisence. Maybe Sigrid can help you out with this!
You are also more then welcome to come and visit him at the farm!

greets

Sorry, no decent pics from Psytadel available overhere :-)
I guess you have to take Tom's offer and go see Psytadel alive.. than you could also check his character & temper :-)

I too went to the El-Amin evening, thanks to all involved, a great evening. The stallions only arrived there on I think Friday (possibly Thursday pm) and were shown in a howling gale with canvas flapping on the Saturday evening and they both behaved impeccably. We were all allowed to visit them in their (unfamiliar) boxes after the show and they were calm and quiet and loved all the fuss; there was absolutely no sign of any temperament problems. Many of us went back the next morning and saw them again and they were taken out for us, we saw them being brushed and having their headcollars put on and the temperaments, to my mind, were fabulous. I have no axe to grind either way and as I only have the occasional SE foal I will not be using either of them but as far as I could see they both have the real Arab "live in your tent" temerament and it isn't every stallion I would say that about.

If I wanted a stallion purely for temperament then these two would be top of the list. I don't mean that they are not worth using in other respects before someone missinterprets what I am saying, just that they are not SE so not for me. In fact, one of my mares who is on loan to emancy arabians has gone to EL-Amin and I am sure she will have a lovely foal, I think he should suit her well. Perhaps you will see some photos of the foal here next year. The one thing I KNOW it will have is a great temperament as both sire and dam excel there (not to mention a head to die for).

Regards

Barbara

Regards

Barbara

Hat jemand dieses Jahr Psytadel Nachzucht und möchte diese gerne hier posten? Ich würde mich sehr darüber freuen!

Gloria Apal ( *Psytadel x Micha Apal by Natsir Apal)
Filly born 11/03

Filly Bay
*Psytadel x Om El Jasmina