Hi guys ... Just need your quick help.

Is the mare below a Straight-Egyptian? (I don't think she is but wanted to make sure) .. If not point me which other bloodline is part of her and presented by what horse.

Jessika

Thanks for your help in advance
Ali.

From my humble research experience .. I am guessing her non-SE blood starts with the mare "JURATEZA" as I see some Polish bloodlines that includes Russian as well .. Am I right?

Sorry if I am answering myself but I am trying to learn from all of you guys

Regards
Ali.

After Greetings,

... there are a number of lines that are not SE. I am not familiar with some of the names but in addition to the Polish lines there are a number of crosses to Skowronek on both sire and dam sides.

To me she is not SE but it is interesting to see her pedigree :

Concerning Ofir :
http://www.freeman-arabians.com/ofir.html

Have fun reading it. Hope that Anna doesn't mind me borrowing her nice text.

If you look further back starting with the mare Rissletta you find Rose of Sharon which was a golden chestnut mare and she is well known ofcourse and belonged to the Crabbet herd in the UK of the Blunts. Risala was also a very fine mare and Crabbet ofcourse and Rissla combined beauty, quality and style which were striking in her family and had the action of the sire as well. These are all well known crabbet horses.
For more information there is a book from Rosemary Archer - the arabian horse - which is very interesting to read. For me it is a must in my library. Nice pictures also where you can see famous arabian horses all over the world from the past.

This mare has Crabbet and Polish blood but also Egyptian blood (Moniet el Nefous f.i.). Ofir was also later standing in Russia so you could say also Russian blood.

Correct me if I am wrong (I am in the middle of moving here) or ADD information. It is nice to see this pedigree!

Would very much like to see a picture of her!

Karin

Dear Mr. Ali,

it is undoubted that the mare Jessika is not a Straight Egyptian.
About her forefathers, the grandfather Gazi has Crabbet blood, the grand-mother Fayn that was dam of champions has Crabbet blood, the grandfather Dalul was a Straight Egyptian and at last the grand-mother Jurateza has prevalently Crabbet blood plus a little Polish blood and also little Egyptian blood from the stud of Henry B. Babson.
Jessika has not Russian blood. Probably many times you saw the same horses in the Polish ad Russian pedigrees, it is so because during the last world war the Russians took many important Polish horses.
The mare Jessika is from the family of Basilisk that was a grey mare foaled in 1876 and imported to Crabbet Stud in 1878, her strain was Seglawieh Jedranieh of Ibn ed Derri of the Resallin tribe of Sebaa Anazeh.
Basilisk was purchased for Mr. Blunt by Mr. Skene in February 1878 of Abd el Jadir of Deyr.
This is what I know about this mare and I hope it is enought for you.

Best regards,
Domenico Tocchi

HADHAD ARABIANS
www.hadhad-arabians.com

Domenico,

I love your knowledge.

I would like to start a topic on the Crabbet horses since they are very important still in the pedigrees of the arabian horse and the Blunts were really collectors of the finest desert horses they found during their long travels in the desert.

Are you willing to add info?

Karin

I am not Domenico but I can add some things. Actually, while not technically 100% CMK due to the Egyptian and Polish crosses, your horse can qualify. She has a sire line to the horses of Maynesboro (The M in CMK). Her dam line was established before 1950, and traces to Butheyna who was bred by the early American "Arabian Nursery" Spencer Borden.

Jessica's sire Gailac looks to be 100% CMK, mainly of Kellogg breeding (The K in CMK). W.K. Kellogg the cereal king started with Early American and Davenport Arabians, then made his own importation from Crabbet - (the C in CMK) - *Raseyn, *Raswan, *Nasik, *Incoronata, etc. It was Kelloggs that bred the incredibly beautiful Abu Farwa (your horses ancestor). While not an ancestor, Aurab is Kellogg breeding, and the one that Lady Lytton wanted to take home with her when she saw him - literally. Lady Lytton was the daughter of Lady Wentworth and a well respected breeder and judge.

Jurateza is a little hard to classify. While her grandsire *Witez is a Polish import (spoils of war), he was brought to Kelloggs when imported. Technically the *Witez II sire line probably would not be CMK, but they do make exceptions (like *Azja IV the Polish import whose son Azraff nicked so spectacular with Gainey horses).

Jurateza's grandmother Fadjura is out of the very CMK bred mare Fer-Natta. She was one of Marge Tone's foundation mares, and had many champions by Fadjur - twice voted the most popular Arabian horse in America. Marge had recently passed on this past Nov. 11, and she and Jack Tone were married 75 years.

Your horse's ancestor Fadjur was bred by Harry Linden. I believe Bint Sahara, owned by the Master Breeder Frank McCoy was on a lease deal or something like that to Harry Linden. And she was returned in foal to Fadheilan by the Egyptian *Fadl and out of the Polish *Kasztelanka. Frank McCoy would never have chosen Fadheilan for Bint Sahara. He liked greys, and priced the grey Ferzon at $10,000 and the little bay Fadjur at $700. The two colts were the same age, chased each other in the same pasture and Ferzon was out of a daughter of Fadjur's dam. Almost ALL of the formidable Bint Sahara's foals were champions. Fersara swept the Arabian horse shows, winning everything. Her beautiful color looked as if she was sprinkled with stardust. While your horse does not trace directly to Ferzon and Fersara, they are relatives and excellent members to have on the family tree.

Luckily, the Tones met the McCoys at a show, and purchased Fadjur some time later several weeks before he was scheduled to be sold at an auction. The careers of Fadjur and Ferzon continued to cross during their long lifetimes. Ferzon died in 1982 at thirty years of age, but Fadjur would outlive him one year. Twenty years later it is easy to see how both stallions have profoundly affected the Arabian Horse Breed. How astounding that both of these prolific stallions started their days in the California pastures of Frank and Helen McCoy.

Here is a wonderful read on your horses ancestors Fadjur and Fer-Natta:
http://www.fadjur.com/history.htm

Marge had leased some land to a trainer. One month he didn't have enough money for the rent and asked if Marge would accept a little purebred Arabian filly. Marge agreed. That filly was Fer-Natta, who had never been seperated from her sister Hi-Natta, and she just cried as if her heart were broken. Marge quickly purchased Hi-Natta (hiding them both from Jack Tone who felt horses were only good for farm work) I believe the story goes that Jack turned purple when he found out about not one but two fillies. But he did go along with Marge and their daughters to McCoy's, and later purchased Fadjur for Marge as a birthday present.

Jurateza's sire Rifraff brings in a line to the Selby Stud. Roger Selby (the shoe king) imported a number of Arabians from Crabbet, and also used several CMK mares in his breeding program. This was near the time of the height of Kellogg's and there was a great rivalry of Kellogg in the west and Selby in the east. Rifraff was one of only 4 inbred *Raffles sons in the world - there were also Bamby, Raffey, and Rapture. They were the product of breeding the already inbred *Raffles to *Raffles daughters. Rifraff was one of the head sires at Manion Canyon (Gina Manion was a good friend of Al-Marah's Bazy Tankersley). Gina Manion's husband was dean of Notre Dame Law School, had a radio show, and was a member of the John Birch Society.

Just what is a CMK Arabian? Well, they would not win at a high-falutin show. But then even the best of yesteryear would probably not win today. A CMK Arabian is substantial. They have to be as these were using horses. The breeders actually rode and used their Arabians. A lot of US endurance horses are CMK. The very well known Rushcreek horses are CMK.

The CMK Arabian is not a "closed" society. It was started when breeders realized these excellent horses were being crossed out of existence, and set out to preserve them. So if a particular mare cannot qualify for CMK, if bred to a CMK sire she could produce that way. Breeders are now urged to continue to use CMK sires and not to deliberately outcross to other lines.

You have a treasure. There is a lot of information on the history of your horses ancestors. Google for Arabian horse history then do more searches by adding the following at the end (example, Arabian horse history Borden) - Borden - Davenport - - Crabbet - Hamidie - Bowling - and especially Cadranell.

There is also the WONDERFUL archive:
http://www.wiwfarm.com/crabbetcmk.html

And an equally great historical CMK archive site:
http://www.arieana.com/notebook.html

and Fadjur (the Tones are still breeding horses today)
http://www.fadjur.com/Fadjur.htm

http://www.wiwfarm.com/FADJUR_AND_FERZON.html

CMK definition
http://cmkarabians.com/articles/CMKRevisedDef99.html

One of the most useful books you can get is the Crabbet book by Rosemary Archer. And there are a whole lot more.
Mollie

Dear Karin,

you are very kind, many thanks.
Should be very interesting to start a topic on the Crabbet horses, because the Blunts with their horses influenced many countries like Egypt, South Africa, U.S.A., Russia, et cetera.
Unfortunately I can reply every now and then, because I am very busy and I cannot guarantee my constant presence on the forum.
The friend Mollie wrote many interesting things that to be concise I didn't write, probably she can start the topic on the Crabbet horses.
Again thank you.

All the best,
Domenico Tocchi

HADHAD ARABIANS
www.hadhad-arabians.com

Hi Domenico, I thought that there were some Crabbet threads started weren't there? But I will agree, it would be good to have everything Crabbet in one place.

I know "Bedouin Tribes of the Euphrates" is on line,
http://www.archive.org/details/bedouintribesofe00blunrich

Randolph Huntington's book:- about his horses but no written by him
http://www.archive.org/details/purearabiansamer00lawr

General Grant's Arabian stallions *Leopard and Linden Tree (this one is by Huntinglon
http://www.archive.org/details/historyinbriefof00hunt

Spencer Borden's The Arab Horse
http://www.archive.org/details/arabhorse1906bord

Homer Davenport's My Quest of the Arabian Horse (a fascinating read)
http://www.archive.org/details/myquestofarabhor00dave

The same site also has Tweedie's Boucaut, and Upton's books, free for the download (I save pdf)

Boucaut's book had this interesting piece (published 1905):

' At Slawuta ' Prince Sanguszko
has, or had, a stud of pure Eastern horses, which,
Monsieur Salvi observed, shows to what a pitch of
perfection the typical Arab can be brought when
wisely mated.'

Mollie

I don't remember seeing Aduleza but her full sister Jurdala was an absolutely fabulous mare!