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A4S
Hi,

I got an email for info on a horse that is for sale. I answered the email and received the answer below....
Its in French but main point is this person wants to buy the horse as a present(secret) for his sister and wants to pay by PAYPAL and if you don't have PP you can download it and when payment is done someone will pick up the horse...

I will for sure not sell my horse this way, but I wonder if this is some kind of scam, it probably is, but then how it's supposed to work?

Anyone had emails like this?
The person calls himself James CHEN

Maaike

bonjour,
Merci pour le courrier, je vais acheter ces pour ma soeur, je suis un ingénieur pétrolier actuellement sur une plate-forme offshore, je veux vraiment que cela soit une surprise pour ma soeur alors j'ai l'habitude de lui faire savoir quelque chose sur ce jusqu'à ce qu'il soit livré à lui, je suis convaincu qu'il a été plus que satisfaits it.I ne pouvons ici que payer avec PayPal, puis j'ai besoin de vous pour me donner votre adresse e-mail PayPal pour que je puisse aussi rapidement que possible, effectuer des paiements et si vous ne pouvez pas de compte PayPal, il est très facile à configurer, aller à www.paypal.com et mis en place, après l'avoir mis en place, je viens adresse e-mail utilisée pour vous enregistrer avec PayPal pour exiger que l'argent passer. m'en dire plus sur le prix normal est la note ad: pick-up agent venu pour le chercher une fois que j'ai le paiement, je voudrais parler au téléphone, mais je suis un ingénieur pétrolier, je travaille surtout en mer, notre téléphone vers le bas sur la plate-forme aujourd'hui par le mauvais temps, nous ne pouvons communiquer avec notre base pour l'instant.
merci
SKM
Absolutely Definitely FOR SURE a scam. Just a variation on the same old same old. The sender is neither genuine nor has that name nor works on an offshore oil platform with a bad phone signal! Dont worry about how it works - just know it is criminal activity and avoid like the plague.
Razgold
def. sounds like a scam to me as well. I'd leave well alone.

Sue
karin
Looks like spam to me.

Alway watch out that when you sell a horse and the horse is paid by bank payment that you should take the money off the account since not they can take it back by canceling the payment.

Anyhow I would like to meet the person who like to buy a horse here instead of internet deals etc.!
Gail
Here is the latest scammer....IP address traced to the usual...Nigeria. This time the name is Allan Burns.


Thanks for the quick response and I'm satisfied with the condition of the horse..I am OK with the price and i will love to make an instant purchase because i'm buying this horse for my dad as a birthday gift, I'm located in Hillsdale Township MI but due to my occupation as a marine engineer at this moment i am presently working offshore, sometimes access to regular emails and phone calls are very poor in offshore due to inefficiency of the immarsat service. Fortunately the internet access working averagely and i was able to come across the advert of horse . I really want the horse to be a surprise for my dad by not disclosing the horse until the delivery is made to him so am sure he will be more than happy with the horse. I don't mind adding an extra $50 for you to take the advert down from the site so that i can be rest assured that am in hand of the horse. I insisted on PayPal because i don't have access to my bank account online as i don't have internet banking, but i can pay from my PayPal account, as i have my bank account attached to it, i will need you to give me your PayPal email address so i can make the payment as soon as possible for the horse and i will be happy to pay PayPal charges and please if you don't have PayPal account yet, it is very easy to set up, i will like you to go on to http://www.paypal.com and get it set up, after you have set it up i will only need the e-mail address you use for registration with PayPal so that i can put the money through.

Notice : You don't need to bother your self about the shipment and the International Health Certificate, i have an international courier shipping company that will come to your location for the pick-up,they will also determine and secure the shipment can be done, because i will be adding some extra fee to the payment which is meant for the shipping and insurance..all you need to do is as soon as you receive the money in your account you will deduct your horse fee and send the rest funds to the shipping company information that will be provided to you in the mean time....So I will need you to provide me with the following information to facilitate the making of the payment.

1.Your full name.
2.Your PayPal Email Address.
3..Your phone number.

Once again ,I will like you to know that you will not be responsible for shipping. I will have my mover come over as soon as you have your money in your account.

Do Have a nice day,
My Best Regard
Allan



QUOTE (A4S @ Nov 24 2011, 02:36 PM) *
Hi,

I got an email for info on a horse that is for sale. I answered the email and received the answer below....
Its in French but main point is this person wants to buy the horse as a present(secret) for his sister and wants to pay by PAYPAL and if you don't have PP you can download it and when payment is done someone will pick up the horse...

I will for sure not sell my horse this way, but I wonder if this is some kind of scam, it probably is, but then how it's supposed to work?

Anyone had emails like this?
The person calls himself James CHEN

Maaike

bonjour,
Merci pour le courrier, je vais acheter ces pour ma soeur, je suis un ingénieur pétrolier actuellement sur une plate-forme offshore, je veux vraiment que cela soit une surprise pour ma soeur alors j'ai l'habitude de lui faire savoir quelque chose sur ce jusqu'à ce qu'il soit livré à lui, je suis convaincu qu'il a été plus que satisfaits it.I ne pouvons ici que payer avec PayPal, puis j'ai besoin de vous pour me donner votre adresse e-mail PayPal pour que je puisse aussi rapidement que possible, effectuer des paiements et si vous ne pouvez pas de compte PayPal, il est très facile à configurer, aller à www.paypal.com et mis en place, après l'avoir mis en place, je viens adresse e-mail utilisée pour vous enregistrer avec PayPal pour exiger que l'argent passer. m'en dire plus sur le prix normal est la note ad: pick-up agent venu pour le chercher une fois que j'ai le paiement, je voudrais parler au téléphone, mais je suis un ingénieur pétrolier, je travaille surtout en mer, notre téléphone vers le bas sur la plate-forme aujourd'hui par le mauvais temps, nous ne pouvons communiquer avec notre base pour l'instant.
merci

A4S
QUOTE (Gail @ Jan 15 2012, 08:58 PM) *
Here is the latest scammer....IP address traced to the usual...Nigeria. This time the name is Allan Burns.


Thanks for the quick response and I'm satisfied with the condition of the horse..I am OK with the price and i will love to make an instant purchase because i'm buying this horse for my dad as a birthday gift, I'm located in Hillsdale Township MI but due to my occupation as a marine engineer at this moment i am presently working offshore, sometimes access to regular emails and phone calls are very poor in offshore due to inefficiency of the immarsat service. Fortunately the internet access working averagely and i was able to come across the advert of horse . I really want the horse to be a surprise for my dad by not disclosing the horse until the delivery is made to him so am sure he will be more than happy with the horse. I don't mind adding an extra $50 for you to take the advert down from the site so that i can be rest assured that am in hand of the horse. I insisted on PayPal because i don't have access to my bank account online as i don't have internet banking, but i can pay from my PayPal account, as i have my bank account attached to it, i will need you to give me your PayPal email address so i can make the payment as soon as possible for the horse and i will be happy to pay PayPal charges and please if you don't have PayPal account yet, it is very easy to set up, i will like you to go on to http://www.paypal.com and get it set up, after you have set it up i will only need the e-mail address you use for registration with PayPal so that i can put the money through.

Notice : You don't need to bother your self about the shipment and the International Health Certificate, i have an international courier shipping company that will come to your location for the pick-up,they will also determine and secure the shipment can be done, because i will be adding some extra fee to the payment which is meant for the shipping and insurance..all you need to do is as soon as you receive the money in your account you will deduct your horse fee and send the rest funds to the shipping company information that will be provided to you in the mean time....So I will need you to provide me with the following information to facilitate the making of the payment.

1.Your full name.
2.Your PayPal Email Address.
3..Your phone number.

Once again ,I will like you to know that you will not be responsible for shipping. I will have my mover come over as soon as you have your money in your account.

Do Have a nice day,
My Best Regard
Allan



This is the same text but in English and "the birthday present" is for the dad instead of the wife:))

Don't understand why they keep on trying are there people going for this???
Still wondering how this kind of scam works!
SKM
It works because of this sentence: "because i will be adding some extra fee to the payment which is meant for the shipping and insurance..all you need to do is as soon as you receive the money in your account you will deduct your horse fee and send the rest funds to the shipping company information that will be provided to you in the mean time..."

All the rest of the email is smoke and mirrors . Doesnt matter if the item for sale is a horse, a bicycle, a car or anything that can be shipped. And people are still falling for it, which is why the scammers continue. "They" are large criminal gangs, very well funded, who hire poor kids who can type/write English to churn out thousands of these emails i response to online ads. 'They' also rely on the fact most people are honest and beloieve that an email enquiry they receive is genuinely from the person of that name and from the stated country who is genuinely interested in purchasing the item for sale - none of which is ever true!

If someone 'bites' and replies to their email enquiry, and it progresses, 'they' eventually pay the vendor/victim with an extremely good counterfeit cashiers check, for over the asking amount. Vendor/victim pays said check into their bank account and sends the difference in the amount usually by quick wire transfer to the (fake) person's name the scammer gives them. A couple of weeks later, the victim's bank will inform them the check was counterfeit and remove said funds from their bank account. Result: scammer has made a few tens or hundred dollars or so, and the victim is hundreds or thousands out of pocket. Some people who tried to recover their money on the larger, different scams (you know the one - I am the widow/work colleague or whatever, of ### (often a deceased head of state) and have access to a zillion dollars but need you to help me secure the funds, in return I will give you x% etc), and have travelled to Nigeria, have been killed. Another really nasty scam is the one where 'they' pretend to offer a cooperative business venture, this and the previous are aimed at getting access to your bank details, and to entice small ongoing payments from you.
There are myriads of websites about these scams - and all their many variations - on the internet - please, people - educate yourselves! Just google something like 'nigerian counterfeit check scams' and take your pick of which one of the 1,950,000 results you want to read!

This is as good a place as any to start: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advance-fee_fraud
RakisMom
Gail,
I got that exact email a few days ago. Another worded almost the same last month. The way it works is that they send you money by "paypal" which is not the real paypal. I have 5 horses for sale and both scammers targeted one horse.
michele013
Scam for sure as it is very bad french, the one translate with Googles or another on-line translater.
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