hello,

could someone help me with some information about
the babies from richter and how he is breeding.
if it is possible with some pictures, thank you verry much.


hendrik

Richter MH (El Halimaar x Fasarra by *Farazdac)

I have never seen him in person but was able to see video footage of him when he was in the US. He appeared to be a very nice looking arabian stallion, true to his bloodlines. The foals I have seen advertised from him here in the US look promising. here is a website with info on him http://www.ztarabians.com/stallions/richter.shtml

Also, do a search on the web you may find other info. Hope this helps some.

Hello Hendrik,
There aren’t too many Richter offspring out there, I think about 45? I have a 2 year old colt by Richter, out of a Thee Desperado daughter if you would like to see pics of him. I apologize for the quality of the pics, they are done in full winter coats just hanging out about the pasture, but it gives you an idea, none the less
http://www.anchorman.cc/tremorr/tremorr.htm
One farm that stands a Richter son is Sovranty Arabians, with the stallion Gibran.
http://www.sovrantyarabiansandbengals.com/...m/Stallion.html
Deshazer Arabians also stands a Richter son, Richteous, and has a beautiful Richter filly for sale, Desha Demitasse.
http://www.deshazer.com/arabians/arsale.html
Well, I hope that helps a little bit in your research, but I am sure there are others that have a lot more to add.
Cher

thank you verry much it wass already a big help
I have some nice pict. thank you

Here is a picture of Richter himself, taken just a few weeks ago at Jadem Arabians in Belgium.

Exotic Tremor(Richter MH x Bint Aziza Princess)

Pictures taken from the RDM Maar Hala article!!!

Last one and my favorite!

I cannot wait to see which European mares will be crossed with Richter MH, and the results. Many of the U.S. mares he was bred to had very similar pedigrees, and I can't help but wonder how he'll do......not that anything was wrong with the American breedings, I'm just a great fan of this horse and would like to see him crossed with mares of different lines.

I saw Richter in England and he was a lovely stallion. He came first to Imperial Kamill's second when I saw him. I am not sure I would have had them that way round but they were two very good stallions and it was difficult to choose between them. I am sure he would produce some nice foals with the right mares. It will be interesting to see how he does on the continent.

Regards

Barbara

Hello Barbara,

I'm curious, who, in your opinion, would the "right mares" be? What bloodlines/type?

Thankyou in advance,

Kaely

Dear Kaely

I saw Richter from the ringside (and above) so one gets a different view from the judge who is on a level with the horse.

I personally would want an elegant mare with some lenght of leg. He was a "workman like" correct horse and I am sure would make a lovely riding horse as well as a show horse. He was not exagerated in any way but I wouldn't want to put him to anything that needed to be refined or was short in the leg. However, I have seen horses I would consider to be rather short and heavy in the neck (not implying Richteris just using the example) who consistently throw good necks and I have no idea how Richter produces.

I don't want to get into bloodlines as I think that often horses are not necessarily typical of their bloodlines unless they are from one of the well known studs such as Ansata, Imperial, Serenity etc where they have been carefully linebred for generation. You only have to look at full siblings to see how different they can be even from linebred individuals. I will try and get a photo of my two full sisters together and post it. They are very different! They obviously take after different ancestors. There are not many stallions I would think suitable for both Crown Princess and Shalique (Shahin/The Egyptian Princess). I tend to look at the progeny and the ancestors as well as just the stallion and decide what my mare needs to improve. Also after a mare has had a few foals you can get a better idea of what she passes on. I have a Spanish mare with a slightly short steep croup but she has had three foals from three stallions of very different bloodlines and all have had lovely croups. My mare got that from her dam but I am pleased that so far it hasn't passed on from her.

As I don't breed very often I am quite happy to wait for the right stallion to arrive in England. We are fortunate that there are some breeders now who lease stallions for a year or two and give us the opportunity to use something we wouldn't otherwise have access to, thank you Sue and Emrys Jones , Delyth Gamlin and all the others with lovely SE stallions at public stud.

Regards

Barbara

Hello,
Does anyone know what Richter is doing now? Is he showing anymore, staying in Belgium, breeding, ect...? I would like to try keep track of what he is doing, to maybe help sell my colt :-) It's been harder to do since he left the US.
Thanks,
Cher

Hi Cher,

Richter is still here in Belgium, staying with Christine Jamar, of Jadem Arabians...
I saw him a few months ago, and he looked great! He's very sweet too...
I think he won't be shown here, but only used for breeding if I'm correct! Don't shoot me if I'm wrong
Maybe you can e-mail Christine if you want to know more,
mailto:christine.jamar@planetinternet.be

Thank you Emmely!

Richter MH is one of the most beautiful animals I have ever seen, period. I was lucky enough to see this horse multiple times while he was in the US both in the show ring and at home in his stall. We own two of his get that we are just crazy about.... a young mare who has shown her heart out for us, and a super fun gelding who is the most athletic horse I have ever ridden. I can't say enough good things about Richter MH. He has been very good to us. Best wishes to those of you who will have his get.

Hello fellow fourm members!
I think Richter is wonderful and I don't agree with Barbara's statement that he would not add refinement,but that is just my opinion.I think bred to mares that have basic good conformation,you will get more elegance and length of neck,along with a beautiful face and a nice short back.I think he has been bred to quite a variety of mares and I think he has done a good job improving on many that have been taken to him.He is to me,one of the best,if not the best El Halimaar son,and I feel in time he will prove to be as good as his sire in the breeding shed...

Richter's son Richteous of deShazer Arabians.

I also think Richter can add length of neck due to the fact that his dam was a daughter of *Farazdac who had a snake like neck. Richter certainly will not add a concave profile because non of his ancestors he tends to follow in outer appearance had one (El Halimaar, *Farazdac). JMHO

Hi Lisa

I didn't mean to imply that he wouldn't add refinement to any mare. As I said, I was looking down on him from the stands and that makes the legs look shorter and the body heavier. I didn't see him in his stable so could only go by what I saw in the ring. As he was head to head with Kamill and I saw Kamill in his stable before the class I was able to judge him fairly so was obviously biased. They were two beatiful stallion and I would be more than happy to use either one on any of my mares. He also didn't appear to be very tall from my viewpoint but I don't have any real idea of his actual height. A judge standing near the horse and on the same level sees a very different picture from what I would see looking down on him.

regards

Barbara

hi emmelye and all

thanks for thos beautiful pjotos.

NOW, can we see some under saddle???

Hansi

I never ever saw a photo of Khofo under saddle. That doesn't mean he wasn't ridden. Please Hansi do not imply thing you do not know but show as a pic with Khofo under saddle to give proof he was a useful animal.

hi mike

Khofo usefull animal? How else did he get his Legion of Merit Championship, 3 points away from the Supreme?
I have issued some photos under saddle. Even Wordlmaster Dressage champion 12 rears in a row ,Willi Schultheiss, enjoyed riding Khofo. there must be many people still alive who saw me riding him thousand of times. He was my personal mount.

My question if there is a photo of Richter under saddle is relative.
Or should I have asked" is he under the saddle?" He is a breeding stallion, right? More so, should anybody even have to ask if a breeding stallion is under saddle and what they excell in.

From many of the oldtimer SE stallion many records are on hand in all the divisions they excelled. People simply did not breed from untested stallions at my time. Just look at the many Gleannloch ones, or for that matter the Serenity Stallions. This also goes for those of Martin Loeber, Willis Flick, Richard Pritzlaff, Henry Babson, PlumNearly/McFaddins,and even Ansata Ibn Halima was under saddle, as was his son Ansata Halim Shah and some others.

Mike I honestly dont mean to be argumentative, but mean very much to have people help preserve the SE's for what they can do, and then utilize such good blood in the breeding shed, as it has been done for centuries.


Have a nice day
Hansi.

Hi,

I also saw Richter at the same time as Barbara, Michael Byatt very kindly stood him up for us after his class and although he isn't the tallest of Arabians he isn't tiny either, I believe that he has at least one tall son that I know of. He produces extreme type and correct horses. Unfortunately I don't have a mare to breed to him any longer. Looking forward to seeing more pictures of his foals.

Isn't Count ZT known for using/riding all his horses? I may be mistaken, but I was under the impression tht he insisted on usability.

B

Thought you might enjoy seeing this picture of a Richter MH son, Richter's Tsunami. We bought this wonderful colt as a weanling and enjoyed his happy antics here on the farm while we waited for him to grow up. Now he stands 15.2 and leaves us thunderstruck at his athletic ability. Message from one who believes in riding the Egyptian Horse.... start riding Richter get! It's pretty funny when your Egyptian starts turning heads in a training barn filled with Half-Arabian Country English horses! Egyptian, you ask? You bet! These horses are out there, folks. Let's use them.

Thank you Gail for sharing your colt with us!I think he is lovely and I think Hansi will enjoy seeing a Richter colt under saddle,especially since I am about to post another Richter daughter in a halter shot.Barbara,I understand what you were saying but the "workman like" comment is what got me.I am sorry,I felt that took away from this outstanding stallion,so please forgive me,but I had to say what I felt.I personally feel that Richter can and does add tons of type to most mares that I have seen him bred to.

I think he also will show in the future what Dr.Cruz has worked so hard to acheive-a classic SE Arabian that out produces himself.Cher,take a look please at Nehaya MH (Richter MH x Zahara Keela by The Egyptian Prince).I am surprised you stated you are having trouble selling your colt-I would think with Richter offspring,and with him no longer in this country,that he would be sought after....

Ooops,forgot to put that this is a Jeff Little photo....

Richter is back in Argentina at Count Federico's farm outside of Buenos Aires. He is a great horse with a wonderful spirit and an abundance of Arqabian type. He, like every sire, is good on some, not on others -- but as a general rule he is a very good sire; producing type, with as one poster suggested, the useability that Count Federico insists upon. I hope this helps. Michael Byatt

My goodness, Lisa! That is a beeeeuuuuutiful filly! And thanks for the pedigree info! I am a big believer in Prince daughters with Richter MH. Have one of those at home too.

And thanks so much for liking Tsunami! He is so much fun! His favorite game is to steal muck buckets and gallop around the pasture banging himself in the head with them. It gets expensive after a while! I wish I lived my life like he does (pretty much do have my head in a muck bucket).....he gets up every day happy and spends the rest of the day that way. He is an inspiration!

I understand that Richter contributes not only length of neck, but shape of neck (a nice shapely neck). Also I have been told that Richter contributes lots of type, and good tail carriage.

Gail - can you post more photos of your colt - have any head shots? I feel certain that if more people saw him that he would be snapped up quickly. The photo that was taken of Nehaya MH by Jeff Little definitely caused me to want to find out more about him - makes me want to go out and visit him in person. I own a Maarauder daughter and I think she would really cross well with the Richter bloodlines... In fact Aimee Foster and I were chatting and brainstorming just the other day about what would be the ideal bloodline for this particular mare and she also named Richter.

I would be very curious about something else... I wonder how a Raquin daughter would cross with a Richter son... Any idea? This mare has big poppy eyes but isn't extremely dished. I am just thinking that if The Egyptian Prince crosses well, then maybe Raquin daughters might as well... Just curious...

Thank you Gail,I will be sure to tell Dr.Cruz how much you like this wonderful young mare!We need more photos of your boy-are you going to stand him to outside mares?Has he had any foals?You are right,I think this particular cross was an excellent one,but as I said before,I do think Richter will someday prove to be a powerful force in the breeding shed,as I feel he is already becoming one now.When you consider many of his offspring are still quite young and how much he has been shown with so little time for breeding,I think he has done a wonderful job and I hope to have my own Richter offspring someday.I am content right now with one of the 3 half brothers I have had the pleasure of owning and I still have to say that I think El Halimaar was very prepotent and I am grateful to have his bloodlines in my horses!!I plan on using Richter with my *Maarauder MH daughter ,along with our *Norus filly,Maarika Ree MH,possibly as soon as next year.Maybe our Madheen daughter too-all I know if I adore Richter and I think we all would be proud to have him in our barn!
Here is another shot by Mr. Little of Neyaha MH

Ladies, thanks for your kind comments and inquiries regarding Richter's Tsunami. He is a gelding , however, and has no get. He does have really beautiful eyes and tiny little prick ears, probably due to the fact that we waited until he was two to geld him. I wish I had more quality adult photos of him. His baby pix don't give you enough info. When he puffs up like a peacock you see the great shape to the neck you have been speaking of. He is very compact and gives the illusion of being small at a distance, until you stand next to him and see how big he actually is (15.2).

I know the next question is why did we geld him? That's something I always want to know myself. The answer is that when we stood his 3/4 sister up next to him she was better. That's when you know it's time to geld, and choose an easier lifestyle for the horse.

Sorry about the confusion...the reference I made to TheEgyptianPrince is actually this 3/4 sister I am speaking of. It's the cross of Richter on Prince daughters I am so fond of. Here is
She's So Gigi (Richter MH x Thee Sharaqa x TheEgyptianPrince). Many of the features you spoke of above are seen in this filly. She is compact, powerful (I kind of liked the "workman" reference!), and super hooky in the neck and throat. I have been trying to attach a good photo, but for some reason it is not coming through. Here's an amateur snapshot of her at the Ft. Worth Egyptian Arabian Horse Fair last fall....will try to get the good one up and running!

Hi Lisa

My comment of a "workman like" horse was meant as a compliment not the negative you seemed to think it was. I personally like a horse who looks as if it can work rather than just "stand up pretty" with legs like matchsticks, herring guts and a neck like a giraffe! I think Kamill is "a workman like horse" and I would love to ride him off into the sunset except I wouldn't bring him back! I believe he is coming out under saddle this year and I am sure he will make a superb riding horse as I think Richter would. I really liked Richter but from the angle I saw him he did look as if he could have done with more leg but that could well have been the angle I saw him from, I was quite high up in the stand and looking down on him.

Gail, your gelding is lovely and I am sure will make a super riding horse. I am glad you saw the "workman like" remark for the positive comment it was meant to be, what is the use of a horse who is no use? If you have a Falabella then it doesn't really matter if it is any use so long as it looks pretty but a 15+ hand horse, certainly not!

I have three Egyptian Prince bred mares and if he was still in Europe I would certainly consider using him.

Regards

Barbara

Richter is, as far as I know, still available for breeders in Europe. Christine Jamar of Jadem Arabians has frozen semen of him, if I am not mistaken?

Dear becca

yes, Zichy-thyssen is an ardent horsemen and would never incorporate an unfunctional horse into his precious, world famous herd. I like Richter very much and had just hoped someone had a photo of him under saddle.May the count has, he rides his stallions, tests them and cant be fooled. He made an excellent choice aquiring this beautiful stallion.

I am happy to hear that Richter left offspring here and abroad.
It is always sad, when too much of the real good blood goes abroad.

I wish the owners of his get all the best and am looking forward to seeing at least some.

Hansi

I would dearly love to see photos of what Richter has produced outside of the U.S. I have not seen Count Z-T's mare herd, but would be very interested in what Richter has produced for him.

The term 'workman-like' was used in reference to Richter--no complaints for using that term from me--I like 'em like that.

B

Hello fellow forum members!I must apologize for two things,first,I made a mistake on Nehaya's photos,they are by Gigi Grasso,my apologies for this error,and second that I took offense to the "workman like" statement.I have never heard this term before in all my years involved with these beautiful horses,so forgive me for mistaking it's meaning.I learn something new everyday and I appreciate the explanation Barbara,thank you!
I have a new photo of a 2005 Richter filly (that really was taken by Jeff Little)and her dam Aana Shahlima (Ansata Halim Shah x Aanisa Mirwan by Shaikh Al Badi) and I think you will see a fabulous "scoop" or dish on this filly.I just thought I would post this to help everyone see that he does seem to produce a very nice foal.I think this little girl has a very bright future!
Cher,do you have some photos of the colt you are trying to sell-we have to be careful not to turn this into a sales thread,but I am interested in seeing him if possible....

Got a little ahead of myself and forgot the photo!Forgive please!

Hello Lisa and all,
I am so glad I stumbled back upon this thread. I don't normally check this site but once a month or so, not that I don't love this board, but there are only so many hours in a day (I have 3 1/2 year old twins) !
I do still have my Richter colt, well, stallion now. When I was trying to sell him, he was a yearling and early two year old, and I didn't have any photos or any showing, just a gangly colt growing up on pasture, so I think I just couldn't show him to his best. I also had a very disappointing appraisal done of him as a two year old after he was ill, and short about 100 lbs (not sure what I was thinking), and after that I kind of became depressed about him for awhile.
I am very lucky that I have him boarded with a friend who breeds Russian arabians, and she wouldn’t let me sell him for a give away price, or geld him, and now he has really become a beautiful stallion as a 4 year old. He matured very slowly, maybe due to 3 illnesses, one every spring after being born (strangles, and two somewhat unexplained illnesses where he lost tons of weight, but didn't seem sick. It lasts about 2 months, and then just goes away. The vet now thinks it was a poison weed or something, but we switched pastures, and no illness this spring!!!)
He had been bred to 4 of my friend's Russian mares so far this year, and we hope that we can find an Egyptian mare as well.
I am also very excited as I have been in touch with Aimee Foster about bringing him to the Egyptian Event next year. We were thinking about this year, but I felt there wasn't enough time, and he has really matured so much this spring, so I think he will do so much better next year. We are also starting him under saddle now. I can't wait to see what he excels at!
Sorry to go on so long. Thanks for thinking of me .
Regards,
Cher

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Hi Lisa

I was not upset that you were offended by my "workman like" just sorry that there was a misunderstanding. There are a lot of really beautiful horses who I would never call "workman like" and to have a beautiful horse who is really is a compliment. Not all horses bred to be show champions will even be show horses never mind champions and they then need a useful future as riding horses. With correct limbs and a good body they should have a good life.

Your mare and filly are gorgeous and I wish you all the best with them.

Regards

Barbara

Hello Barbara!
Thank you for taking the time to explain the term.I think the differences of where we live my contribute to my not understanding the term,and I am grateful to now know what it means and I will not take offense next time I hear it!
I do need to point out though,that the Halim Shah mare pictured with her new Richter filly are not mine-they belong to my good friend Dr.Jody Cruz and I am happy that you enjoyed seeing them.I just wanted to post them because I felt the filly demonstrated the beautiful head and "scoop" that we had been discussing.As you can see from seeing Nehaya and the filly,that crossed on two very different mares,he produced beautiful type and refinement in my opinion.
I hope to someday add my own Richter baby to our herd and I honestly feel that the horse is proving himself in the breeding shed along with what he has shown in the showring...
I hope you have a wonderful evening!

Add me to the list for a Richter foal!

I can't say I have ever seen a bad horse bred by Jodi Cruz. Most of them are truly beautiful and boy can they move!

I'm on Lisa's waiting list for her mares whenever she decides to give them to me!

Ah Sliver,one thing I have always loved about you is that you speak your mind!!
You know you will always have the use of my girls-that's what you get for having a good eye and a great mind!
Yep,I think Richter and our *Madheen girl might be a great match,although,the Farid girl wouldn't be a bad idea either!We gonna squabble over that one,aren't we?
I think a couple of the Ibn Shamruk fillies you have had from this year should be excellent prospects for the future...you need to share them with these folks and post a few photos.
I wish Jody the best of luck with his Richter offspring and as soon as I talk him out of one,I will let you know!!

I'm not worried about getting the Farid foal or the Madheen foal. I'll just hold Monietta hostage

How do you like those cookies?

NOT FAIR!!This wouldn't be right unless I had Samona!!Although,I think after you show off a few of Ibn Shamruk's foals,you will be able to send her to me so I can breed her to RICHTER!!
Whatchya think about those apples Missy?He he he!