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As I mentioned in the thread with the last poll "Favorite Class", this is tongue in cheek. I honestly would like to hear your thoughts on WHY we're not seeing Arabians ridden more? Two years ago at the Event, when I went only as a spectator, I was crushed to see how few youth were competing. The lead line class had ONE entry. We're only reinforcing the very untrue rumor that Arabians are crazy and spirited and can't be ridden safely.

I often hear the expression "Arabian community", and I guess that is a good analogy. But every community is not a whole within itself. A community sits within a region, and a region sits within a nation, and a nation sits within a world. What does our community have to say to the world? Look at our beautiful horses...Aren't they pretty? They are living art....What? Oh, no! You can't ride art! You can watch them stand, and wow! They can trot too! Don't get too close, though! And don't even think of riding one!
I'm sorry if this comes across as sarcastic. I am not all-knowing. I have played into this mindset before, too. But, I hope that I do not ever fall into it again. Even if it takes tiny baby steps, we need to change before we are destined to a future with a breed of beautiful horses that serves no other purpose than to stand at halter or run free.
Angela
Who says we don't ride our Arabians? I was surprised to read in a post by The American breeder, where he refers to a discussion on another forum, in which the American breeders seem to think we Europeans don't ride our Arabians...

There is also the popular cliché that show horses aren't ridden, either because they are crazy or because their owners are worried they might break an eyelash. Well, rubbish, is all I can say. Many show horse owners want their horses worked under saddle, only not everyone has the time. I worked at the Osterhof Stud for two years, and rode all the young horses and breeding stallions - including Kubinec and Narym. And for this year, I will be taking the champion stallion Davidoff to FN-competitions, to compete in dressage, showjumping and eventing against warmbloods. Instead of wrapping her horse in cotton wool, his owner realises the importance of proving a stallions worth under saddle - show championships just aren't enough.

Most of the big show training centres in Holland and Germany ride their show horses regularly. Some even ride their show horses at international level, like Jan Calis, whose horse Lobeke won the Dutch eventing championships agains all breeds...

I understand your question though. Not all studs ride, as it costs lots of time and money to train horses properly. Some just like to breed and leave the riding to other people. So what? Not every warmblood stud rides their horses! But there are many riders of other breeds who still, despite hundreds of proofs to the contrary, believe Arabians are no good for sports. So, we'll just have to go out into open competition and show them, won't we? wink.gif
Fran
aaaah, but you are in Europe! they ride them in Europe. We have far too many arabs standing around unridden in America. I can't answer the poll, cuz i ride mine too!
HLM
Angela

You said, you understand that lots of owners dont ride their studs, because it costs lots of money and time.

Very well then, do you feel they then should charge a stud fee??? Make money of an unproven stallion?
Do you feel they educate others, by not being a good example??? Is it ONLY AND EVER THAT DOLLARBILL/EURO OR WHATEVER CURRENCY?????

ONE CANT NOT GET OUT, WHAT one DOES NOT PUT IN.

Do you feel that car builders just sell their product without trying/testing it?? Dont they have "damage standards".Are they not been held liable for undisclosed matters?
And how can they disclose, the good and the bad, if they have not tested it???

Even if the owners dont or cant ride, they can employ somone who does.

Why is the TB industry flourishing??? Because from day one the horses had to prove themselves and are graded accordingly. who in their right mind in the TB industry will breed from a stallion who has not performed well???

Who in their right mind will breed from a Qhorse stallion, who also has not proven itself? And the enventual proof comes through the offspring, after they started proving themselves and are tested. By this I mean "under saddle"!!!!!!!!!

This garden ornament breeding attitude is harming our Arabians incredibly. And who is to blame? And who all is supporting this what in my honest opinion is insanity????
Who in their right mind will buy AI, not having personally seen the stallion and the stallion owner the mare, evaluating if it could be a good match?????

Unless many people learn the essence of breeding,
and before they buy a horse, take that money and learn more about equine, riding, etc, we will have even more problems. When a person creates a foal, such person should be able to keep it until it can be trained under saddle. Now you are looking at a m/m of "four" years, counting the year of gestation. Only knowledgable breeders will here and there replenish their herd, or get an outcross, even when just a foal, hoping for the best and testing the latter before utilizing it as a breeding animal, unless it comes from matings, of which there are numerous good or excellent sibblings on the ground.

Putting foals on the ground, is not buying a dress, we can throw away after a while, or when it goes out of style.
One really has to exercise a greater sense of responsibilty, and always prepared to take the consequences.

Just my opinion, which might not be all of yours.

Have a nice evening
Hansi.
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Lisa
Well,I only have a short comment here.....I think the sentence in the first post concerning the lack of young riders at the Event may be due in a large respect to the costs of showing at such a show.Many of us can barely afford our local/regional shows.I know I can't afford to send any horses to the Event(and it has been my lifelong dream!) after I have to pay someone $1000-1200.00 just to haul it there and then pay for stall,the entry fees,the many other fees and such(not to mention getting yourself,your kids and family there and put up for a week in a hotel)
.I am sorry,I don't get angry on this forum much,but we even have to pay to VIEW A PEDIGREE from our own registry that not only did I pay for with a bloodtyping kit a few years back to have my animals verified for their parentage and allowed in the registry,but now I have to do a DNA kit too-and look out for the foals of any mares who parents are dead or their dams weren't producing for awhile-now you have to DNA the dam too,so I just get fed up with the costs that go with owning the most beautiful horse in the world (in my opinion)....I now work so much (which I know is my own choice,so please don't yell at me) I don't have time to ride!!! mad.gif
Etaya
Dersert Tag,

Your observation at the Event was one of the reasons my husband and I started the Amal Bukra High Point Award at the Event. This is an Annual award given to the junior rider with the most points competing in the JTR & JTH divisions. It was/is our hope that this award will encourage junior exhibitors to ride and show their straight Egyptians. There is no entry fee and points for all junior exhibitors are tracked. The winner has their name recorded on a beautiful Judy Norquest bronze trophy which is on display throughout the year at the PS office. As well we provide a $ 500.00 prize to the winner.

I don't have an answer as to why we don't see many SE in performance competition. There is no lack of talent and suitability within the SE bloodlines. We have always trained and shown our horses under saddle and will continue to do so in the future.

Best regards,

Jennifer Parsons
Elixir
We do ride our Arabians.
The Elixir will amble down the trail with a mare at his side.
He had a 12 year old taking lessons on him at Mike Neal's while other horses woere worked all around him.
Al Salil (Bandit) is one of the most beautiful sights I have ever seen under saddle.
We have many Elixir offspring who have excelled in distance riding, English Pleasure, and more.
And Thee Ibn Gasaara last year won the Show Hack Championship at the Egyptian Event, along with the first place in Country English.
Riding is wonderful for their physical being and for their mind.
Susan
Guest
Dear Susan,

That is not quite true. The Egyptian Event is ONE show and not reflective of what is happening in the real world. It is quite the opposite. Preparing your horse for one show a year is NOT riding a horse. At least, not in my book.

Let's discuss the positive fact: The Arabian Horse is the premier breed for endurance. No other breed of horse places consistently in the top 10 of this sport as the Arabian Horse does. In fact, the Arabian Horse not only dominates the top 10, the breed dominates the top 50. Within Arabian Horses, it is a well known fact that horses of Egyptian breeding have faster P & R recoveries than Arabians of other breeding.

Have you watched the trends in the general horse world, with regard to the disciplines that are experiencing the most growth? It's not in saddleseat. We are going to be left behind if we continue to market these horses in English Pleasure. The fastest growing "showring sports" are working events, that is the working English disciplines of Dressage, Jumpers, Eventing and the working western events of cutting, reining, team penning, and any derivatives of these disciplines, in one form or another. The great thing about working disciplines is that it is easier for an owner to train his horse, at the same time that the owner is training himself/herself. You don't need a trainer to work and show your horse. With a good instructor, most people can realistically experience the satisfaction in having an active role in the riding/traingin/showing of his horse. Want to look towards the future? The United States Pony Club is really growing!!! We have a smaller sized horse that is perfectly suited for junior riders.

Have you ever wondered why the Egyptian Event is referred to as a "special olympics" for Arabian Horses? It is not the horses fault. It is because most Egyptian Arabian Horse owners are "out there". They just don't get it. We believe that "marketing", that is "successful marketing" is showing horses to each other. We believe that the horse interested public will come to us. They will drive great distances from all over the USA to Kentucky to look at Arabian Horses. Are you kidding me? I go to clinics for international level riders and maybe there are 5 auditors who want to watch? The truth is, we don't make these horses accessible enough to the "average Joe".

We will never promote Arabian Horses successfully, if all we do is show them in Arabian only shows. How can anyone say this is marketing, if the majority of people who attend Arabian Shows already own Arabian Horses? I just don't understand it. These horses need to get out in all breed events and show their stuff. They need to get noticed, critiqued, criticized, become a part of the mainstream. They need to get noticed. We don't do enough of that. We need owners who will buy an Arabian Horse, take them home, board them in a barn that offers a lesson program, and let them work their magic. What about making incentive programs that reward people for riding their horses instead of for breeding a halter filly or colt?

Arabians are a good deal. Right now, for someone "watching their pennies", Arabians are a cost effective solution to more expensively priced breeds. This makes it possible for a variety of different people to own them.

We need to attract more of the one horse owners, who want to purchase a horse not to breed it but to enjoy it, in the saddle. And it gets tiring, if the only people who recognize this fact, have to keep repeating it over and over, without even a response from the majority who have the means to make a difference.
bterlaan
I have always ridden my arabs, that is, the one I owned, until I got older, which meant less time, less energy and more weight. So here you have the reason why I don't ride (anymore). Should I manage to get quite a few kilo^s off myself, I might ride again, but for lack of time and energy not nearly as intensively as I used to. I think that goes for many of us. When I was younger, leaner and fitter, I did not have the money to have the arabs I have now and to breed. Now that I have the money and the horses to breed from, I lack the time, the energy and have gone too heavy to ride.
HLM
good morning Bterlaan and all

Now, that is the strangest excuse I have heard, - weight-
etc.
the Arabian horse is a "weight carrier" believe it or not.
I know of some who carry over 300 lbs, including the saddle. But you will lose weight, if you ride. time?
There should be 30 minutes a day, a night to do just that.
If one loves riding, one cant stay away from it.

why own a horse, if you cant use it? Unless, of course, you have it trained/ridden by a competent rider/trainer, and enjoy its progress. that's okay too.

Regarding the egyptian Event, it is true, not all can afford the high costs. In the past couple of years it has become a fun show, and many are onlookers, unable to bring their horses. More has to be done, and possibly will.

The other poster reminded us of "Ponyclubs'. I am a firm believer in it. I have heard, that they now have something like this for "seniors". And there is were many an oldtimer experienced Arab can be a valuable teacher.

What Janett is saying, is also a very good start.
I am at a loss to understand though, why no "sponsors"
for clases- Companies we all deal with, such as airlines, feed, fencing,building,riding apparel, etcetc.- are not
. induced to give a few thousand dollars each per event class. Other breeds do it and get it. This would mean that "fund committees" should be established.

And dont worry that people go haywire over money payouts. Other breeds have it. there is a million dollar race each year- futurity race- for Qhorses. Every flat race has monetery rewards, people race for. Why not?
If you have a good horse, why should one not run for a purse? If ten placings are paid, then it is helping many a lesser fortunate person having a good horse.
And how do we know we have a good horse? WE COMPETE AND GRADE.!!!!

I wish we could get a group of people together, who strongly promote using the SE and Se realated Arabian horses, educate, advise, BE THERE WITH THEM.
iF ANYBODY HAS A SUGGESTION, BRING IT FORWARD ON THIS FORUM UNDER A SPECIAL SUBJECT.

ALL I KNOW IS THAT WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING,ANYTHING TO GET THE BALL ROLLING AGAIN. So how about it my dear friends????? We are most willing to participate.

Have a great day
Hansi biggrin.gif biggrin.gif
Ralph
Bterlaan:

I know how you feel. After crossing "30" the metabolism doesn't work as efficiently as it used to. With increased family and career duties, it is extremely difficult to find the time to devote to riding, much less time to run and exercise. What keeps me honest is the fear that I would be riding my mare and I would hear someone whisper from the sidelines "OH THAT POOR HORSE!"

Ralph
jennie
You missed one wink.gif What about horses that have either a)never been ridden and b)come from an abuse situation? I have one of each biggrin.gif.

We are working on riding though, and I expect to be able to ride my girls this year.
Dakhilah
hoi,
Me and my 25kg extra weight ....ride just about every day , it's not easy but I enjoy every minute of it ,so does my gelding Mitch.
gr,sas.
the Netherlands.
bettyk
I ride mine--two geldings and a stallion. The stallion is the most fun of all! Other than my husband, he is my very best friend. He is always up for whatever I want to do. Work?...ok, he'll do his best to please me. Trail ride?...great fun (he makes happy, snorty noises during the ride). A show?...he likes to meet new friends and see new places. Always a perfect gentleman. He cheers me up when I'm sad and helps to relieve the stress of my daily life. He is a joy to take anywhere and shows his appreciation for whatever we do by nuzzling my arm. How sad that any Arab owner should miss this! I've had other breeds of horse in my life, but never one that is so much "human"!
Dick
>>Who says we don't ride our Arabians? I was surprised to read in a post by The American breeder, where he refers to a discussion on another forum, in which the American breeders seem to think we Europeans don't ride our Arabians...

I have and will continue to comment that riding Arabians is much less significant in Europe than it is in the US. Just count the number of horses being shown under saddle in a US show in comparison to a European show.

Europeans seek to compete in halter classes primarily and most horses are breed to compete in halter classes. Sure some are ridden but the shows are just not set up for it. In the US most of the horses at a show are in some kind of performance class.

Horses are routinely shown under saddle in the UK but the classes take for ever to complete (trainer rides, in hand judgement, judge rides). In the time it takes to complete a class in the UK the US would have 8-10 classes and therefore much larger numbers of ridden horses.

While not large, racing is significant in the US. Racing is best in Poland and Turkey where Arabians are raced equal to TB's. The UK has decent racing now that the silly dispute in Arabian racing has been settled. France has excellent Arabian racing but there is little racing in the rest of Continental Europe.

Open showing, dressage, endurance etc seem about the same between the US and Europe.
Angela
Hi Dick,

I wasn't really talking about performance or ridden show classes at Arab shows (because there aren't many of those, quite right), but about people competing with their Arabians agains other breeds, or in ECAHO sport events.
B. Pütz
Here we go...
B. Pütz
...and again..
Britta
What else should I do with my Arabian, other than to ride him? A gelding, my one and only horse! That is, what I bought him for, not to compete, not to prove anything to anybody!
Just to have fun and ride! And that is exactly, what we do, day in, day out. We love each other to bits, we do a lot of "serious" dressage work, go out hacking, some days we just do silly things, fooling around!
He is a true friend, and above all, he is a true Arabian (though polish wink.gif ), a beatiful creature I hope to enjoy (and ride) for many years to come!

Britta
flying hooves
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Dee Dee
I am an addict. To support my addiction I have to work seven days a week.
lynnbrook
All of these performance horses have won or placed in halter
lynnbrook
Some more Arabians under saddle .
smj
Beautiful pics Lynnbrooks smile.gif So wonderful to see them beeing ridden.

Al our horses are broken in and ridden.........and i think its so important smile.gif

They loved to go on rides as the other horse breeds. And are equaly good,me think... tongue.gif


Hanne -smj
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