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I have just read BA PSYCHE BEY is sold to UNITED KINGDOM, does anyone know who has got him and if he will be standing at public stud.

regards
sharon
Psycho Bird
Hi Sharon,

yes this is true. BA Psyche Bey (double Padron and Double Bey Shah) has been sold to the UK. He will be standing at public stud in 2006 to a few outside mares and will making his debut in the UK showring. biggrin.gif gbfahne.gif biggrin.gif
Gudrun
Is it you that has bought Psyche Bey, and are you going to let us know your true identity.
would be interested to know who has got him as he has got great bloodlines. I saw him at a show when he was younger and he was stunning.
I wish the new owners the best of luck.

Gudrun
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Psycho Bird
Hi Gudrun

No I am not the new owner sad.gif I wish I was !!

I have to respect the new owners privacy so unfortunately I cannot say any more or I will get my wrist slapped !

Fiona
Gudrun
Hello Fiona

well we will have to waite and then we see who has him. He has a very good bloodlines, i have looked on the website of the seller and he is well bred.
goodluck to his new owners in uk

Gudrun
Japanadi
They are very much peole was interesting in BA Psyche Bey.
But he has now a very nice home.

king regards
Jacqueline Krystynek
bintecho
I hope we will see him out and about the showring this year and all will become clear to us.....

It may become confusing with 2 Psyche Beys in the UK!!!

Cant wait to see him in the flesh, he looks stunning in the photos.


Please can you give us some clues???? (Or ask the new owner to make an announcement on here??)

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Japanadi
I know about the 2. Psyche Bey.
But our is BA Psyche Bey.
The other (I think) is chestnut and one year older?
I see him last year in Wels.

regards
Jacqueline Krystynek
sharonGuest
It must be a big stud that has bought him perhaps. He is double padron and double bey shah. I hope the new owner puts something on here as would like to see him in the flesh and interested to see what his stud fee is. Japandi Arabians website says that he has been shown and he was champion.

Is he going out this year?

when does he arrive in UK? someone must be able to give us a clue?

Sharon
Guest
I think he only was Champion at a little show in austria....and i think he was the only horse in his class... huh.gif
bintecho
Any clues, anyone???

Come on, we are all dying to know!

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V Meldrew
Congratulations to the sellers and buyers of BA Psyche Bey, it's always exciting to buy a new horse and to sell a horse abroad!

However, may I be permitted to place a few words of caution:

Firstly, it does take more than pedigree for a stallion to be a successful. I, for one, am not a fan of Bey Shah bloodlines for many reasons and therefore being double Bey Shah does not necessarily indicate good things to me. There are so many colts in the US with these bloodlines, in fact people seem to have gone quite barmy over this cross! Secondly, the individual must be of exceptional quality and, lastly but certainly not least, must have the prepotency to pass his best qualities on.

Let's have an end to hype over young colts/foals being promoted as stallions, and worse still (whilst not necessarily so applicable here), stallions advertised with only pictures taken of them as a foal. Youngsters change hugely for better or for worse. Let's look forward to them proving their stuff in the showring and/or, most importantly of course, in the breeding barn!

I wish everyone involved all the best in this endeavour.
cate
Hi V Meldrew

I find your comments on Bey Shah interesting. As I am a complete novice on bloodlines, and what different horses are noted for producing I would be greatful if you could please enlighten me regarding these bloodlines. I happen to have a 3 year old with Bey Shah lines through his sire R Ali Bey.

I have been told that regarding El Shaklan to watch out for necks and legs! I just wondered what it is with Bey Shah.

Regarding El Shaklan, I was told he could throw short thick necks, but never sure what he throws regarding legs unsure.gif as the person did not elaborate. What are bad legs apart from the obvious faults like back at the knee, weak cannons etc., which presumably means long cannons.

Personally, as this is such a good forum, wink.gif and I feel about the best there is with so many knowledgeable people contributing biggrin.gif , I feel a list of what different bloodlines are known to throw would be so informative and enable little nobodys like me to learn about the different breeding lines.

I have both the above bloodlines in my stock.

If you feel unable to answer on here then please feel free to email me on
champ@buchanan26.freeserve.co.uk

Many thanks smile.gif gbfahne.gif
Cate
V Meldrew
Dear Cate

Whilst perhaps this thread is not necessarily the most appropriate time and place to discuss these issues, I thank you for your intelligent response. Certainly all horses and thus bloodlines have their good points and bad points, and as a breeder it is your choice about your priorities and your compromises. You are quite right in saying that with El Shaklan there are some issues with short necks and dodgy front legs. However, this stallion certainly has something to offer, has been highly influential and it is any good breeder's responsibility to ensure that when including these bloodlines they pick those with the least of these faults. Specifically with Bey Shah, my problems are legs (to expand a little, upright hoof/pastern conformation, long cannons and it goes on...) and some general conformational issues. IMO, in the US we have seen his bloodlines highly overused (as is the trend with all fashionable stallions in the US) and with many of these Bey Shah crosses, at best they are flashy with somewhat suspect conformation, and at worst they can be just plain horsey. I don't want to denigrate Bey Shah as an individual, he had some lovely things to offer but I merely think he was overused and perhaps on the wrong horses.

As a breeder you have to evaluate all horses for their attributes and faults, of which all have both. It is just my opinion that this cross (Padron/Bey Shah) is not optimal. Bey Shah had many nice qualities: charisma, the look and neck sets being just a few. My preferred crosses with him are with Gainey/Old English/Egyptian lines where I feel a different genome was created through a couple of his sons.

On the whole the American look is off type and not in line with the rest of the world, however, crossed with the right bloodlines, Bey Shah has had a superb effect.

This just expands some of my thoughts: I hope it is of some interest.

Kind Regards

Victor
cate
Dear Victor,

Many thanks for your indepth reply. It is very helpful to have these points regarding different horses, and as you say all horses have good and bad points. Each individual needs to be assessed separately, but it does help greatly to be aware.

I do feel very strongly that a chart regarding different bloodlines with their good points and their bad points should be available to new breeders. Although, some people do seem to like certain traits swept under the carpet and hidden! It would make life so much easier if experienced breeders shared their knowledge and put it down on paper. At least with this sort of information people could make their own decisions regarding certain bloodlines, and try to counteract certain traits by making sure the breeding partner was free from them. Anyhow, this is not likely to happen. I would say it is certainly something breeders should think about, after all, what's the use of all the big breeders knowing these things and 'little people' sad.gif like me 'in the dark.'

Many thanks for your help.

Cate



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Czerdze
I found him here:
(http://members.aon.at/vabarta/german/psychebey.htm)

I like his pedigree and especially his grandmother NV Kenya!
gudrun
Hello

I have just looked at that page and his bloodlines are very gutt sorry good. he is a very nice colt and at the end of the day everyone likes different bloodlines. I like psytadel and his bloodlines. I read guest reply about the show and if you look at there website you will see pics of him bigger not just foal. I have seen him at show and he looked very nice boy. big mover and he got gutt marks 18 und 19's he was also at a show were he was in top 5 he was second with gutt marks. Looking at his record he has also qualified to go to A show in United Kingdom so ist not very nice comment they put.
I wish the new owners gut luck with him.

und i wonder who has him in uk?

gudrun
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Arabian Stud Europe
QUOTE (cate @ Jun 15 2005, 08:40 AM)
Dear Victor,

Many thanks for your indepth reply.  It is very helpful to have these points regarding different horses, and  as you say all horses have good and bad points.  Each individual needs to be assessed separately, but it does help greatly to be aware.

I do feel very strongly that a chart regarding different bloodlines with their good points and their bad points should be available to new breeders.  Although, some people do seem to like certain traits swept under the carpet and hidden!  It would make life so much easier if experienced breeders shared their knowledge and put it down on paper.  At least with this sort of information people could make their own decisions regarding certain bloodlines, and try to counteract certain traits by making sure the breeding partner was free from them.  Anyhow, this is not likely to happen.  I would say it is certainly something breeders should think about, after all, what's the use of all the big breeders knowing these things and 'little people'  sad.gif like me 'in the dark.'

Many thanks for your help.

Cate



I

I totally agree on this one! wink.gif
Must say I love both padron and Bey Shah though rolleyes.gif
Regards, Talitha
Guest
Know someone news???

Who is the buyer ot this beautiful colt?

Is he now in UK?
Guest
I CAN NOT SAY TO MUCH AT THIS MOMENT IN TIME BUT I THINK HE WILL BE IN THE UK IN AUGUST. biggrin.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif
IT WILL BE POSTED ON THIS SITE AS SOON AS HE ARRIVES.
Guest
Is it you that has bought Psyche Bey?????????????????
Guest
I am pleased to say i know who has, and it is a very nice home. biggrin.gif biggrin.gif
I have booked my covering to him. smile.gif
Guest
this year????? no, next........ or????
this is interesting...... he has really good bloodlines..... I like him .....
but I want to know, who has him.......
Guest
You will have to waite and see, but it will be published as soon as he arrives. smile.gif
Japanadi
He dont go to UK!
BA Psyche Bey is again for sale, because the buyer dont can pay him!!!! blink.gif
SavannaHBloodstock
I too have seen problems w/ double Bey Shah breds horses. But I have also seen double Bey Shah's w/ no issues. Really depends on how you cross them & w/ what else. Bey Shah x Padron crosses have been wonderful.
Japanadi
Yes.
And BA Psyche Bey have double Bey Shah and double Padron.
And his markings are only a little star. I think this is very good, because Padron give often very much markings and BA Psyche Bey dont have it. biggrin.gif
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