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Imke79
QUOTE (Dr Daniel Wigger @ Aug 17 2008, 01:17 PM)
Dear ash,

for you one more picture of HADDIYA JAMIL (NK Hafid Jamil x PA Shubani Il Nasek), the full sister of Lulua. Pic by Miri Berger.

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Gut, dass es bis Münster nicht sehr weit ist...
Angesichts dieser Bilder weiss ich jetzt schon, wo mein nächster "Ausflug" hingeht...!! wink.gif
Aber dafür reicht der Kofferraum wohl wirklich nicht mehr laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

Viele Grüße!
Dr Daniel Wigger
QUOTE (Imke79 @ Aug 17 2008, 03:31 PM)
Gut, dass es bis Münster nicht sehr weit ist...
Angesichts dieser Bilder weiss ich jetzt schon, wo mein nächster "Ausflug" hingeht...!!  wink.gif
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"Herzlich Willkommen!!!" vom Juniorchef Sultan Jamil smile.gif

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Imke79
Hallo Daniel!

Ich sehe schon - da reicht auch Birgits Hänger nicht mehr! laugh.gif

Bei solchen Bildern könnte ich grün anlaufen vor Neid!

Aber wartet nur ab - spätestens in 5 Jahren... oder 10 ... !!
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ashabarab
l'm drooling...beautiful

thank you

ash

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ps and l am sure a lot of other people are appreciating these pictures as well, these horse are truely the stuff that dreams are made from[ well in my opinion!]
Tom Oben
Here is our NK Hafid Jamil daughter Ra'hidah.

She was Filly foal Champion in Brecht and res Supreme foal Champion at the Egyptian Event Europe in Dillenburg 2006!
Marhei
Hello all,
Here comes Sabiih, my Filly of this Year at 13 Weeks. By Ramses (Adnan by Ansata Rebecca).
Greetings
Susanne
HLM
Dear All


Have all of you completely lost your mind and reality?????
Over 300 post, and most all showing the lack of knowledge of horseflesh and most showing their protecting what they bred from and have.

Very well then, let us see this stallion under stress prerformance,may be his rearend will last- We all can dream!.

I hate to make these remarks, dont anyone of you realize where you are going, what you are doing??.
I never thought that hundreds of people have that little concern for preserving a real "Horse". Did we really think that low down in the knowledge of what is a good horse, a horse which can go through and over every thing and staying sound, rather then a hanging half over the cliff ready to fall down?????

Dr Hans Nagel I love, but now I am asking him to prove this production, just as I am Asking Ansata , as the EAO,Babson, Gleannloch, Loeber and many others have including us have.And then you all conclude.

My heart is breaking , my eyes filles with tears and mind very,very angry and I never thought it would get to this.!!!!!
Now let me have your flack, but you better first prove me and others wrong.
By actual, factual proof please.!!!!

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Serenity Arabian Farms
ashabarab
hansi

when l chose the mare l sent to murtajab l chose the best mare l found, it was after l chose her l discovered she was an se and a champion
she is a 3/4 sister to crusader who was reserve world champion twice, raced succesfully and was ridden daily by emma maxwell

l searched the world for a suitable stallion and used the best horse l found which was a hafid jamill son....if he had faults l did not see them l was looking for a good moving horse with good limbs and that arab essence which is very hard to find these days

my other mare Az Fadia is an om el Azadik daughter out of Warandes estopa, her sister MA Bint Azadik has just won the elran cup for senior female, most of the horse of this line are riden daily and have produced many good riding horses, as well as producing some of the top show horses in the world today

l want beautiful horses that are athletes, that l can visualise galloping out of the desert, not wallowing in the sands

previous horses bred by me are racing and are the mounts of several well know endurance riders, one is team chasing..one doing show jumping, some are just much loved family horses in 'almost' forever homes..another is aimed at the desert marathon...you need a sound horse for that

l research my bloodlines carefully, have done so for the last 25-30 years, l don't know every thing but l probally know a fair bit...enough to know a good horse when l see one, my horses are good horses first ,arabs second

in the currant arabian market most of what l see in the US [live feed only] would not do well in the UK and europe..here horse have to be able to move well...sometimes watching shows l have a problem sorting out the half arabians from the purebred's...and as for this strange shoeing and weird action l am at a compleate loss to understand WHY

please do not assume that just because our tastes differ from yours that people here do not know what they are doing, that would be a mistake l think you are too clever to make

go and see the horses for yourself, come see mine, l am not rich so can only breed one or two a year, but l strive for the best, and after a good 12 months of intense research for stallions l consider the two l used on my mares were the best l could find...interesting enough neither is at public stud..l went with what l wanted, nor do l care which horse is in fashion.....let fashion/fads follow me or not.....

ash

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HLM
Dear Ash

Obviously the shoe did not fit you and I congratulate you for the accomplishments. Also I have been a fan of the Crusader by the way.

We have a saying " among the blind the one eye is a king" and gain I am not referring to anybody in particular. I am looking and referring to stallions who indeed have NEVER BEEN TESTED under saddle, were there is absolutely no resume or guideline as to what such can do or what one expects he would give to his offspring.

Please do not understimate the Americans, they have many par excellent horses in their back yards, just not the oportunity to enter shows in Europe or even here, which entails funding they might not have. But you will see them in endurance or working strong at home.

you must recognize what I am and many of our people are after and must never wear a shoe which does not fit.

I wish you further good luck and all the best

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Serenity Arabian Farms
ashabarab
hi hansi
l lived in the states for several years so l know there are good horses there...l also know the distances involved in traveling to shows...l shudder at a five hour drive l think it must be a nightmare to do a five day trip...and nightmare costs!

sadly in this day and age it is the people with the most money and the loudest voices who seem to get results, they have huge advertising budgets with amazing photos plastered in every mag...and yes they do influence the market and new people coming into arabians get intimidated and pushed out....

l also have found over the years that the small breeders tucked away where no ones knows have the real gems...the stallion l used on Az Fadia was one such..Amlan by ibn Estopa out of Amellita bint Lavado...bought as a sickly four month colt from Gucci and has had the same home ever since..[15 years!] .a diamond hidden in the engish countryside, l believe he is the ONLY ibn Estopa son in the UK [entire]

in the vastness of the US, there must be so many diamonds hidden away...newcomers are unlikely to find a champion in some of these top trainers barns..why would they sell there best horses [unless you have millions to spend]
but you could find a champion or at least your next best friend in one of these tucked away small breeders, who are often very helpfull are not looking to make a huge profit and are concerned about there horses future..

l will probally get screamed at now as l am sure big breeders will say they care about the future homes of there horses...l am sure some do...but money is always an issue and l understand that to funtion these places must make a profit
we all have to live...

ash

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you might be interested to know that the mares at hassanain al nakeeb's are ridden.... l asked about murtajab and was told when he is a bit older [foaled 2004]
HLM
Dear Ash

thank you for your kind post and I totally agree. At my time the financially able, such as Gleannloch, Babson, Plumgrove, Lancers, Pritzlaff and including us
stuck to our comittment to preserve the Asil/SEArabian horse. Each one of us was in a fiancial position to do so, never thought of making money on them, but to enduce others to help preserve. It ended up that the smaller breeders indeed followed through and were able to market their production well, and into caring and responsible hands.

Unfortunately the greed for money and glory changed the scene dramatically.
It also became a heaven for social climbers and some of them could not market their production here because their horses could no any longer stand up to the best of other bloodlines by and large . So they started exporting what could not be marketed here for a big dollars, made international connections again with some folks who were not exactly horsemen/women. and then the bandwaggon rush became an ediction. While many a beautful horse was produced, by and large
they became useless, the fine qualities bred away, and many became the laughing stock of the true equine world. That's when they were called "garden ornaments".

Fortunately the USA has still enough reserve to continue producing top horses,
and able to supply even the international market now and in the future with beautiful FUNCTIONAL HORSES, able to stand up against the best anywhere.
But I think so do a few other nations who simply cant be influenced to breed useless horseflesh, but continnue in the tradition of of the Bedus and our ancestors, proud doing so.

Take care and all the best
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Serenity Arabian Farms
barbara.gregory
Hi Hansi

I am sorry you think so badly of the people who post on this thread. I see nothing wrong in enjoying each other's horses. I have recently bought a 2 year old colt to use on my mares and I am absolutely thrilled with him. He is conformationally correct and hopefully will be ridden in due course. The mare Ash is talking about (SE, a champion and three quarter sister to Crusader) is my mare, on loan to Ash, and I will use my colt on her. I also have two three quarter sisters to her and he will be used on them as well. It has taken me a very long time to find a colt I like and would be happy to use on my mares and because they are closely related keeping a colt from one of them is not an option. I have limited funds to buy a colt with and feel very, very lucky to have got my colt and no one is going to spoil that for me.

Just because a horse is not ridden doesn't mean it can't be ridden. If it is correct and with a good temperament (and all the horses of this line I have met have had excellent temperaments) then it can be ridden, not everyone has the facilities or expertise to do so. I just love the exotic look of these horses and the way they move but I would never excuse bad conformation for those qualities. I hope one day to visit Hans Nagel's stud and see his horses, I know they are stunning, I hope they are correct!

Regards

Barbara
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HLM
Dear Barabra

why is it that some people wear a shoe which does not fit? I think badly of people who will help degenerating the Asil/'SE Arabians, have absolutely no concern for its survival as a "Horse", helping make us the laughing stock of the equine world,
and laugh all the way to the bank. Exception are to every rule. Admiration for them can not possibly be genuine, unless one is of the same opinion, persues the same standard.

When prominent breeders in this world produce beautiful horses which are unable to do anything under saddle, turn into mental and physical retards, representing a true-blue Garden Ornament, refusing to test their breeding stallions and followers brainwashed out of their minds, INDEED a think badly of them!

I have seen many georgeous Asil/SEs who helped put the SEs on an international map because of their superb performances defeating some of the best lines in the world. There are still some of this discription out there!

Respect has to be earned IT CANT BE BOUGHT! The EAO with their incredible production, their horses the foundations stock of many reputable breeders in this world left us guidelines. These guidelines are to TEST the horses BEFORE
they enter the breeding shed. Look at every stallion in the pedigree of the imports and you will see their under saddle accomplishments, mainly on the tracks.

My deepest concern is that hardly any of such farms doing testing ,has the foresight and finances of Gleannloch Farms and others. Gleannloch here in the USA set the pace, some followed including us, and others abused it.

Therefore, dear Barbara, there are some of us who can never be impressed by money, self promotion because of it, but ONLY by production of outstanding functional SEs, which shall also never lose the looks of a Desert Bred arabian horse. The way I see it now, by and large it is our small, dedicated breeders who hang on by the finger nails. sacrificing and doing their best. Is it because they have more honor and self-respect? For sure it is because of their love for a beautiful and functional SE Arabian horse in my opinion

I trust you understand my conviction and pleading to bring things back on track,
and regain international respect of producing "Horses" not garden ornaments!

Take care and have a grand day
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Serenity Arabian Farms
Imke79
QUOTE (barbara.gregory @ Aug 18 2008, 02:07 PM)
Just because a horse is not ridden doesn't mean it can't be ridden. If it is correct and with a good temperament (and all the horses of this line I have met have had excellent temperaments) then it can be ridden, not everyone has the facilities or expertise to do so.
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Dear Barbara,

I just wanted to let you know that Hafid Jamil is ridden (as far as Dr. Nagel told me, all of his stallions are ridden regularly).
I think there are some pics of him under saddle in the background section (Impressions of the "Open Day" at the Katharinenhof in 2005).

Best wishes,

Imke
HLM
Wonderful Imke, but to me there is a destinct diffeRence between just ridden or TESTED!!!!

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Imke79
QUOTE (HLM @ Aug 18 2008, 04:32 PM)
Wonderful Imke, but to me there is a destinct diffeRence between just ridden or TESTED!!!!

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Hansi,

I was clearly referring to Barbara's statement - so how do you come to the conclusion that for me "just ridden" is the same as "tested"?
HLM
Dear Imke, I guess I did not get what you meant. But by your statement, that all Dr Nagel's horses are ridden" I thought I understood what you meant.

I am honestly not bashing any horse here or anybody, just wish that these stallions compete to see what they got. So far I have seen very little.And that goes for the Ansata horses too. So the odf one from so many offsprings does something, like ne "Eintagsfliege".! so what is the percentage? So let us all see what they can be compared to with other "Horses", just as we old timers did with ours, and I dont think I have to bring up the names again. What's the problem anyway, do they know their chances are limited? Or do they feel they are too good to compete? I am getting confused.When do you think people recognize their losses and start all over again? I think they are running into quick sand and once drowned, who knows the onlookers might regain their senses..

When I read about these absolutely, ridiculous stud fees, I shudder. What sane horseperson on this earth would pay this for untested stallions, or is it just to get on to a bandwaggon? The latter is already overloaded and will CRASH, trust me!

Take care
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Serenity Arabian Farms
Imke79
Hansi,

I said all of his stallions are ridden - not all of his horses.

Regarding the stallion testing of NK horses - I think this is something you should discuss with Dr. Nagel himself.
I won't speculate about anyone's reasons for testing or not testing a stallion.
geertO
Everytime when I see dear Hansi has posted I think dry.gif what critics will she have this time, of course sometimes wink.gif her experiences are greatfull for all of us.
But then again like 50% of her 360000post she has to attack on Ansta, Nagel and who else she has a problem with, I think more the owner, breeder then the horse itself!
Every corner in the world has these lines in their stable, some like them more then others, some use them some ridden, in show or just for breeding,... but it seems these horse fit in these breeders plans, visions about how an SE should be, tested or not. I just got inside from the fields feeding my 5 Nagel , Ansta bred horses, proud how the look, enjoy their time, dream about how they will breed on, look in future...
Do you like to attack on people who have these plans, horses, visions or do you like to get attck back from others, does it make your day? blink.gif
HLM
Dearest Imke

Please, no more of these flimpsy excuses. There are many "Honest" people out there wandering around in the wilderness.

I am not at this poinmt discussing "character" but ONLY and FOREVER
the reputaiTon of the Asil and Straight egyptian Horses, ALL OF THEM!

Doug Marshal also was a very honest man, and look what he did for the horses, eh? He spent muilti millons , wisely, in honor, in respect of the "Horse" and never asked for a thank you or a return. So did babson, Kellogg, Lady and Blunt and many others.

Imke, I appreciate your defence, but in my eyes it is a very weak one, and unacceptable to me and millions of equine specialist out there in this word.

Dr Nagel ( and I love him very much) is a wealthy man.How could he market his production when hardly anything has been tested? Does he know it would be difficult to compete against the top breeding farms in the world? How could Judi Forbis live this one down, eh? iPersonally, I dont think they care for the horses future at all anymore for a long time.

Never I forgot when doug Marshal said to me" Johnson is my neighbor, our President and I love him as a person, but dont like his politics"!!!!! therefore, we dont have to hate each other just because we disagree on something

I know the multi million dollar investment combined made by so many in our industry is a painful recognition.. Of course they will try to protect it. Well, its like the stock market, there comes the time when the values go down and the real Energizi bunny keeps going, going and going! and this is what I am doing GOING AND GOING AND GOING until God calls me in!! And then I hope I be sitting right next to Dough Marshall once more, never having left his footsteps!!!

Take care
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Serenity Arabian Farms
Imke79
QUOTE (HLM @ Aug 18 2008, 07:29 PM)
Imke, I appreciate your defence, but in my eyes it is a very weak one, and unacceptable to me and millions of equine specialist out there in this word.

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Hansi,

I have got no idea what you are reading from my posts. I did not defend anyone - and why should I? I am not a breeder and I am not even an owner of Arabian horses!
I just don't see anything constructive in discussing those things here when the people who are criticized are not even a member of this forum.
HLM
Dear GeertO

you call this attacks" I call it constructive critizism. I am happy that you love and enjoy your horses, now lets see what they can do.

I dont think you get it at all. I dont think it bothers you how the rest of the world looks at our industry. I dont think you really care other than for yourself.

Yes, I will continue going after what some feel are the leaders in our industry, who have the finances, one through other income and the horses, , the other through the horses only. Are they using it for OUR INDUTRY, the Straight egyptian horses? Are they taking off from where our great breeders left? I dont think so.
And I am NOT alone in my thinking.

this has absolutely nothing to do with either person, but all what they are doing and utilizing their strength in. And it most certainly has NOT been for the Straight egyptians in general, it is simply too ONE SIDED. It is intimidated, frustrating, almost disgusting to thousands. This was not supposed to be a game for the rich and some becoming famous because of it, or social climbers, it was to PRESERVE the Se horses, test them and line them up against the best in the word UNDER SADDLE.!!You need to check up what the billionaire Doug Marshall did, and long before he became on. Can they light a candle to him? HELL NO, not even if started now, it is almost midnight in their lives.

so what happens when they are gone? Will the garden ornament industry survive, have the SE gain respect as a horse? Just think of the incredible consequences.!

And if some people through whatever manipulation want to destroy what is thousands of years old, than I, the little ole 77year lady will try to block it every which way I know, ethically, legally and praying to God for his help.!!!!!! It was he, who created this magnificent creature, gave it all the qualities, and shall no man or woman even attempt to destroy it, or take the consequences!!!

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Serenity Arabian farms
barbara.gregory
Hi Hansi

Many of us are not rich. I spend every cent I earn on my horses. I don't breed to sell, I breed for myself and to preserve correct, functional horses whether or not they are "tested". I no longer ride and I can't afford to send my horses away to be raced etc. I got my colt from Hassanain al Nakeeb for a modest sum for the quality of colt he is, a million "thank you's" Hassanain. my dream has come true. Maybe I should have bought a Polish 2 year old who has raced and tested but frankly I HATE seeing babies raced!

I have a very good rider in the village who will ride my colt when he old enough; he will hopefully do dressage, jumping andf be a "happy hacker" so according to you he still will not be tested. So be it, but that is all I will ask of him. That and the fact that every time I look at him I will get such an enormous amount of pleasure from owning something so beautiful, just as I already do from my mares. Oh, and it goes without saying, he has to ba a pleasure to own.

My other comment is, can you not be happy that we all love our horses to bits? With all the abuse and the starved horses in the world I personally find it fantastic to see so many people who love their horses and are so proud of them. I have'nt seen anyone here trying to claim their horse is better than anyone elses, anyone trying to sell thier horse or promote their stallion; just owners loving their horses. Please be happy for us, I have just fullfilled my dream. I didn't buy him just because of his bloodlines. I bought him because he is exactly what I personally want to breed and he has very good bloodlines which I think will suit my mares. However beautiful he is I would not have bought him just for his beauty. I agree with you that a horse should be able to be ridden and I have picked a colt who has the potential to be ridden.

Please be happy for me, I am so thrilled and really don't need a bucket of cold wter thrown over me!!! biggrin.gif
Tom Oben
We're pleased to show you another offspring of NK Hafid Jamil from our small stud.

Shahim Al Nakeeb. The picture shows him under saddle during one of his first rides outside (febr 2008)... More to follow asap, stay tuned...
ashabarab
nice one tom

l saw the dam of your chap 'shameerah' at al Nakeeb's great mare and a very good riding horse l was told.. but l could see that for myself

there were so many outstanding horses it was very hard to choose but shameerah was one of the ones l liked in particular and had bred some very high quality offspring

all the mares were superlative...how to choose one would be a nightmare, but l could happily spend a few weeks trying

l shall enjoy seeing more piccis tom

ash

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Dr Daniel Wigger
QUOTE (ashabarab @ Aug 18 2008, 09:23 PM)
l saw the dam of your chap 'shameerah' at al Nakeeb's  great mare and a very good riding horse l was told.. but l could see that for myself

there were so many outstanding horses it was very hard to choose but shameerah was one of the ones l liked in particular and had bred some very high quality offspring
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Dear ash,
you could do a lot of fans of Shahim Al Nakeeb (and Farres!) a favour and - if Mr. Al Nakeeb allows to do so - take pictures of Shameerah the next time you are visiting Al Nakeeb Arabians. There are almost none available and this little Shahim-daughter wants to see some pics of her grand-ma, too. Nevertheless she is very proud to see her daddy "under saddle". wink.gif

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Nadj al Nur
And while you are at it, Ash......pics of Badawia and Murtajab??? Please, please, please ?????
Cathy
ashabarab
l will do that...however barbara lives a lot closer and goes over to visit her lovely colt who is still living there [untill she fences off another paddock] and l am sure she would do that for you

l am not planing on going to visit just yet...l want to go and see hafid in person when he returns from germany...but l do not know when that will be, l have seen the pictures and l would very much like to see him in person..

l can tell you that shameerah is a big free moving mare with a powerfull ground covering trot..great shoulder, good length of rein, the type of mare that you itch to put a saddle on and go for a good gallop..you just know that she will be a dream to ride..powerfull rear end..good top line lovely clean limbs, but with good sized feet and joints...type of mare that could go on forever....beautiful head..big kind expressive eyes, [likes a bit of a fuss] and very people orintated
l would say she is about 15...15.1 but being powerful looked bigger..l went and stood beside her to get a better idea of her hight in relation to me...not a small mare, but very classy....lovely to watch that trot as she showed off her paces

l hope that gives you some idea of her.....any one would be proud to have a mare of that quality in there yard.......and it breeds on!

hope that helps

ash

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HLM
Dear Barbara

You have no idea how happy I am for you and with you and the thousands like you out there. You have the love and spirit and the right attitude.

But Barbara, I was really not referring to you, I am referring to our large,well known breeders internationally to test their breeding stock and then decide what to do.

Of course not every horse could be track trained, there are many other stress disziplines demanding just as much strength and stamina.'',

I wish you all the best of luck and continous happiness with your horses.

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Serenity Arabian farms
Majid
QUOTE (barbara.gregory @ Aug 18 2008, 02:45 PM)
I got my colt from Hassanain al Nakeeb for a modest sum for the quality of colt he is, a million "thank you's" Hassanain. my dream has come true................


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Dear Barbara,

Congratulations on your new colt! I am very happy for you. I know that you have an excellent eye for a good horse, and I know that Hassanain is an excellent breeder. May your beautiful colt grow into the stallion of your dreams and bring you much joy!

I look forward to seeing him someday.

Majid
ashabarab
hi all

l have just noticed that the website is working again

enjoy

http://www.alnakeebarabians.com/home.htm

maybe it will get updated.....[more pictures hopefully]....now at least you can see what Barbara and l have been drooling over

another mare that took my fancy was Imperial Tali...another good one to ride...but my favourite was Badawai...but they are all so good it was merely my personal taste!

if you love SE's then this is the place to be [a little bit of heaven on earth]

ash

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barbara.gregory
Dear Hansi and Majid

Thank you for you kind words. I too hope you will see my colt one day, Majid. You are so right, there is no horse in Hassanain's yard that I wouldn't be thrilled to take home with me and I can honestly say that I have never been anywhere esle and thought that. If I am honest I have been to studs where there was no horse that I really would want to take home, but we all like different things! Never in my widest dreams did I ever imagine I would have a colt like Moataz al Nakeeb (I think I will call him Taz). His dam, Ansata rebecca, has a new little colt foal and he is stunning; If Taz's folas look like that I will be one happy bunny.

I will try and get some good photos to post of Hassanian's horses if he is OK with that but if they are not good quality I will not let anyone see them. I took a photo of one of my horses over the stable door a few weeks ago, he has a lovely head, and made him look exactly like a moose, all he needed was a set of antlers!!! cool.gif mad.gif

I used Ansata Qasim when he was in England and I know Judi Forbis doesn't like amateurs (or read "bad photographers") to post photos of her horses so although I have a few reasonably nice photos of Qasim I will respect her wishes and never post them. I only posted the ones of Murtajab as a friend said she didn't like Ash's photo (not sure why) so for anyone else who thought the same I posted a few of mine. My photos in no way do him justice and they were only taken on my phone; he is so much nicer than that and his colour, wow, dark grey with the lovely silver mane and tail, just stunning. Sadly they don't stay that colour but it is stunning to see.

Thank you again for your good wishes; it means so much to me and I am so thrilled (you'd never guess) to share my happiness with you all and enjoy your pride in and love of your horses as well.

Please keep posting your photos, especially those of you who are better photographers than me!!!!

Barbara
AbshaArabians
QUOTE (Robert 1 @ Aug 16 2008, 02:30 AM)
Hi Miri,
Thanks, we are excited to see how Jabbar can sire his look in our Ansata blooded mares, Echo Hill Amir has much of the beautiful look of his sire but, with a taller body from the Ansata lines. wink.gif

I love your Lutfiyah, these lines are very special to me. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE (Helga @ Aug 16 2008, 08:14 AM)
Wow, Miri, that is one beautiful girl!!! So much Hafid!! I love her!  wub.gif  wub.gif  wub.gif

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Helga
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QUOTE (barbara.gregory @ Aug 16 2008, 09:19 AM)
Lutfiyah, wow, what a beauty and the colour is the icing on the cake. I love dark bays (but why do they insist on getting "dusty" all the time)? There are so many really gorgeous horses from these bloodlines; I feel very priveledged to have been able to purchase one.

I will try and get some more of my new colt; sadly the ones I have taken are very poor and make him look ordinary which he certainly isn't! Below are some more photos of Murtajab al Nakeeb. I apologise that I am a very poor photographer; imagine what a good photographer would do with him. He is breath taking.

Enjoy!

Barbara
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QUOTE (Dr Daniel Wigger @ Aug 16 2008, 11:41 AM)
... greetings from look-a-like half-sister Lulua around the corner  smile.gif

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QUOTE (Gabriele Schweiher @ Aug 16 2008, 11:46 AM)
Oh! Bitte einpacken und nach süddeutschland schicken! Dringend! Wegen Suchtgefahr! Schmacht!!!!!! biggrin.gif  wink.gif
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@ Robert1 @ Helga
many many thanks, yes she is very very beautiful, I loves her too wub.gif wub.gif wub.gif


@ Barbara, Congratulations to your new Colt, looks very very good with special Hafid Look !!

@ Daniel biggrin.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif Danke !!

@ Gabriele...hihi hab sie gut versteckt,...."Suchtkranke" brauchen ja immer dringend Entzugshilfe cool.gif cool.gif biggrin.gif


Liebe Grüße
Miri










AbshaArabians
>>>>>>>>>> Have all of you completely lost your mind and reality?????
Over 300 post, and most all showing the lack of knowledge of horseflesh and most showing their protecting what they bred from and have. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<


Oh yes I lost my mind and reality !! when the first time see Hafid Jamil, was half year colt as this time and sooo very very special and exotic !! And I lost my mind when I see his little daughter Lutfiyah from Martaba here at home... and I think I have lost soo much mind and reality that I plan to ride Lutfiyah when she is old enought ! And I think she will go nice to ride and my heart will wub.gif wub.gif !! when I can ride this little beauty princess smile.gif smile.gif cool.gif





AbshaArabians
p.s. sorry for my english !! I can ride my Nagel breed Horses, but I can NO English !! ph34r.gif
Helga
Haha, nice Miri! biggrin.gif Great photos of beautiful horses - I am looking forward to see riding photos of Lutfiya - of course she can be ridden!
Your English is fine, easy to understand.

Best wishes,
Helga
ashabarab
you don't need english to ride your lovely horse, all you need is appreciation of beauty..

and l think she is beauiful...just love the colour as well!

ash

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dogwoodsprings
all such beautiful arabians....gosh... i don't know where to start...........WOW!
Jerel
anucki
Hallo Miri!

Gratulationen zu all diesen herrlichen Fohlen. Auch ich verstehe die Aufregung nicht ob man diese oder jene Araber nun reiten kann oder nicht. Normalerweise kann man doch jedes Pferd reiten. In jeder Rasse und Zuchtlinie kommt es vor, dass Pferde mit einem Handycap geboren werden. Das ist natürlich sehr schade aber liegt eben in der Hand der Natur. Es muss ja nicht jeder Araber ein Schau-Champion sein und es muss auch nicht jedes Pferd zur Olympiade. Es gibt genügend Menschen die jeden Tag einfach nur glücklich sind die Schöheit ihrer Araber zu bewundern und es gibt genügend die einfach nur glücklich sind wenn sie abends nach der Arbeit auf ihrem Araber einen relaxen Ritt durch die herrliche Natur machen können, auch wenn es kein Goldschleifen Araber ist. Und ich glaube das kann man auf jedem Araber aus der Dr Nagel Zucht.

Viele Grüsse
Anucki
Imke79
QUOTE (AbshaArabians @ Aug 22 2008, 11:45 PM)
and I think I have lost soo much mind and reality that I plan to ride Lutfiyah when she is old enought ! And I think she will go nice to ride  and my heart will  wub.gif  wub.gif  !!  when I can ride this little beauty princess  smile.gif  smile.gif  cool.gif



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Miri,

you must be REALLY crazy!!!
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But don't worry - 300 posts are a good proof that you are not the only one ... wink.gif

Take care of your princess!!
And what about the little crown princess?
Robert 1
Dear Hansi,
Please allow me to attempt to answer your questions as to why many have recognized the Nagel line of horses as a needed element to their breeding programs.
For me it is this way, after raising Arabian horses for over forty years and constantly breeding for a better Arabian horse, we made several changes which we definetly felt were needed.
We started with all sorts of Arabian horses and looked always to the performance ablility of our horses, and after many years with the Babson horses we went with the Ansata bred horses and the Pritzlaff bred horses and also made a fifty/ fifty combination of some.
We recognized the strong legs and movement of the Pritzlaff horses and to this day breed some which are all Pritzlaff breeding but, we also seen the need for the correctness and beauty of the Ansata horses and understood the leveling agent that some of them could add to a breeding program.
And from this we bred some really great horse who we feel can produce, perform and move exceptionally well and still maintaining a wonderful disposition.
But, as I only do Arabian Horses 24/7 for the last several years, I had the chance to study their habits and many of their gestures, this helped us with what we bred and what we were doing in our program of breeding.
Thus comes the change,
I saw that there was a strong possibility that they could be improved upon in several areas, so we went on a hunt for what we felt would be needed to make the possible improvements, and we searched far and wide and couldn't find what we felt would make the improvements if in fact they could be made, because we ranked our horses very high in our minds and hearts.
After years of searching we saw a pic of NK Hafid Jamil on a cover of a foriegn magazine and at first thought the picture was enhanced but, after nearly wearing the cover off from studing it, we realized that the pic was as nautural as possible for it had the wiskers and he was unclipped or shaved or darkened in any way even down to haveing all of the hair in his ears in the photo.
We went in to deep research about this stallion NK Hafid Jamil and read each and all material possible, then we began talking to breeders in this stallions land and down to his owner Dr. Nagel, after all of the research we were convinced to give it a try and found what we needed by good fortune and imported the foal * Alaa Jabbar, after seeing him at our ranch for less than a month we knew we needed what he excelled in, the lease went to purchase.
We held our breath until he became two and was old enough to try and breed, this went excellent and at this point he was recieved well through out North America,
Jabbar got everything in foal that he was insemenated to on the first attempt in most cases.
Jabbar became more beautiful each passing day and displayed what we were looking for, movement that was so quick and agile, that he left many expeirenced
Arabian owners standing watching Jabbar with their mouths open.
Jabbar from a foal, showed such a high degree of intellegence that it became staggering to all who had the chance to see him at length.
The next step was to see if he could pass this on to his foals, the first foal Echo Hill Amir born July 4th, was an exceptional foal from birth and displayed all of these exceptional qualities from day one in spades.
We hoped for a foal who possesed all of Jabbars qualities and would have the size and type in body type of the Ansata pedigree dam, we weren't disapointed for sure, this is a picture of Amir at one month old.
And of course we are basing this on his first foal but, we have several champion mares of several different lines, and body types, about due to foal each month for the next several months, so within a year of his first foal we shall be expecting about nine or ten foals from Jabbar and then we will have the results we need to answer the many questions in our minds.
All of our stallions are ridden and tested to our ideas of strength and agility of performace, Jabbar will be no exception.

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Robert,
Echo Hill Arabians, USA
barbara.gregory
Dear Robert,

Thank you for your post, I found it really interesting. I don't have your experience of breeding and I have always used outside stallions on my mares, but unless one has a vast amount of money to spend on imported semen etc. you are limited in the choice of stallion you have and I have sometimes not breed anything as I couldn't find a stallion I wanted to use. Having your own if he is exactly what you want is great.

Jabbar looks lovely and as this line seem to produce so consistently I am sure your foals will be exquisite. My colt too has exactly what I want to add to my mares. I can't afford to buy world champion mares but I have some very nice mares with very good bloodlines and I feel sure that Taz will add that "something speacial" to them. Any breeder strives to improve their horses and the Hafid Jamil line seems to consistently do that while keeping some of the best of the mare.

I have never seen anything of that breeding that I didn't like although, as with every line, some are better than others and I am sure there has been the occasional "failure" where the lines just didn't nick well although I have never seen one.

I have not seen any horse on this thread that I wouldn't be proud to own. Please keep posting your photos of your lovely horses. With all the badly treated horses in the world it is nice to have so many besotted owners and see so many dearly loved horses.

Barbara
Robert 1
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Hi Barabara,
Adding that something special to your foals by using your new colt Taz is a great way of explaing what these horses are all about.
The magic of these NK lines of horses are almost impossible to forget. Once you get the chance to see one in person, it dosen't seem to matter how long or what horses a person has or does own, these horses are like seeing a great movie, after you leave the theater you just can't get there beauty out of your head. biggrin.gif laugh.gif
Polar Arabians
Here are some new photos of our filly
P.A. Hadarah
(Shahim Al Nakeeb x P.A. Halifee Latifa Al Badi),

a granddaughter of NK Hafid Jamil and our beloved foundation mare Ansata Hamama.

Manuela
Eline
QUOTE (Polar Arabians @ Aug 27 2008, 06:51 AM)
Here are some new photos of our filly
P.A. Hadarah
(Shahim Al Nakeeb x P.A. Halifee Latifa Al Badi),

a granddaughter of NK Hafid Jamil and our beloved foundation mare Ansata Hamama.

Manuela
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Congrats with the filly Manuela, she looks really pretty.
Eline
RIDDEN NK Hafid Jamil son SHAHIM AL NAKEEB
very elastic under saddle. Dream riding horse
elsadeek
Oh Eline what a lucky Boy, and very good stallion !! We are so happy with our very nice filly Alisha Shanee´from Shahim al Nakeeb x Anega v. Madkour I !! Best wishes Ruth
Marhei
Hallo Ruth,
Was für ein bezauberndes Stütchen, Herzlichen Glückwunsch wub.gif wub.gif
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Susanne
Eline
QUOTE (elsadeek @ Sep 4 2008, 02:29 PM)
Oh Eline what a lucky Boy, and very good stallion !! We are so happy with our very nice filly Alisha Shanee´from Shahim al Nakeeb x Anega v. Madkour I !! Best wishes Ruth
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She's a real doll your little Alisha Shanee. We are very happy for you.
Robert 1
Hi Eline,
Congratulations on Alisha Shanee, your beautiful filly, I am so glad for you, and I like when the Madkour 1 is in the pedigree, the Hafid lines are awesome.Click to view attachment wub.gif wub.gif wub.gif

Robert,
Echo Hill Arabians, USA
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